Saturday, January 04, 2025

Jimmy Carter’s Big Mistake... and the other fellow who they hate even more...

Great guy... and bad president? 

By now, all of you know that I take many unconventional views. Perhaps generating contrariness to supply my blog, Contrary Brin. Or to shake up calcified assumptions along a too-rigid, so-called ‘left-right spectrum.’ Or else sometimes just to entertain…

 

At other occasions, it’s a vent of pure frustration.  

 

(“You foooools! Why can’t you all seeeeee???”)

 

Okay, today we’ll have one of the latter kind. Because I want to talk about one of the most admirable human beings I ever heard of – (and I know a lot of history). Former President Jimmy Carter, who passed away at 100, just a few days ago.

 

Sure, you hear one cliché about Carter, repeated all over: Carter was an ineffective president, but clearly a wonderful person, who redefined the EX-presidency.

 

Folks thereupon go on to talk about the charitable efforts of both Carters, Jimmy and Rosalind. Such as the boost they gave to Habitat for Humanity, both with membership pushes and frequently swinging hammers personally, helping build houses for the poor and turning Habitat into a major concern, worldwide. That alone would be enough, compared to the selfishly insular after-office behaviors of every single Republican ex-president. Ever. And Habitat was just one of the Carters’ many fulfilling endeavors.

In fact, I have a crackpot theory (one of several that you’ll find only in this missive), that JC was absolutely determined not to die, until the very last Guinea Worm preceded him. Helping first to kill off that gruesome parasite. 

 

Haven’t heard of it? Look it up; better yet, watch some cringeworthy videos about this horrible, crippling pest! International efforts – boosted by the Carter Center – drove the Guinea Worm to the verge of eradication, with only 14 human cases reported in 2023 and 13 in 2022. And it’s plausible that the extinction wail of the very last one happened in ’24, giving Jimmy Carter release from his vow. (Unlikely? Sure, but I like to think so.)

 

Only, after-office goodness is not what’s in question here. Nor the fact that JC was one of Rickover’s Boys (I came close to being one!) who established the U.S. nuclear submarine fleet that restored deterrence in dangerous times and thus very likely prevented World War Three. 

 

Or that, in Georgia, he was the first southern governor ever to stand up, bravely denouncing segregation and prejudice in all forms. 

 

(Someone who taught Baptist Sunday School for 80+ years ought to have been embraced by U.S. Christians, but for the fact that Carter emphasized the Beatitudes and the words and teachings of Jesus, rather than the bile-and-blood-drenched, psychotic Book of Revelation that now eroticizes so many who betray their own faith with gushers of lava-like hate toward their neighbors.) 

 

But doesn’t everyone concede that Jimmy Carter was an exceptionally fine example of humanity?

 

In fact, among those with zero-sum personalities, a compliment like that assists their denigration of impractical-goodie eggheads! It allows them to smugly assert that such a generous soul must have also been gullible-sappy and impractical. 

 

(“A good person… and therefore, he must have been incompetent as president! While our hero, while clearly a corrupt, lying pervert and servant of Moscow, MUST - therefore - be the blessed agent of God!”)

 

Sick people. And so, no, I’ll let others eulogize ‘what a nice fellow Jimmy Carter was.’ 

 

Today, I’m here to assail and demolish the accompanying nasty and utterly inaccurate slander: “…but he was a lousy president.”

 

No, he wasn’t. And I’ll fight anyone who says it. Because you slanderers don’t know your dang arse from…

 

Okay, okay. Breathe.

Contrary Brin? Sure. 

But I mean it.

 

 

== Vietnam Fever ==

 

The mania goes all the way back to 1980. The utterly insipid “Morning in America” cult monomaniacally ignored the one central fact of that era

 

… that the United States of America had fallen for a trap that almost killed it

 

A trap that began when a handsome, macho fool announced that “We will pay any price, bear any burden…” And the schemers in Moscow rubbed their hands, answering:

“Really? ANY price? ANY burden? How about a nice, big land war in the jungles of Southeast Asia?”

 

A war that became our national correlate to the Guinea Worm. Those of you who are too young to have any idea how traumatic the Vietnam War was… you can be forgiven. But anyone past or present who thought that everything would go back to 1962 bliss, when Kissinger signed the Paris Accords, proved themselves imbeciles. America was shredded, in part by social chasms caused by an insanely stupid war…

 

…but also economically, after LBJ and then Nixon tried for “Guns and Butter.” Running a full-scale war without inconveniently calling for sacrifices to pay for it. Now throw in the OPEC oil crises! And the resulting inflation tore through America like an enema. Nixon couldn’t tame it. Ford couldn’t tame it. Neither had the guts.

 

Entering the White House, Jimmy Carter saw that the economy was teetering, and only strong medicine would work. Moreover, unlike any president, before or since, he cared only about the good of the nation.

As one of you regulars John Viril put it: Jimmy Carter was, hands down, the most ethically sound President of my lifetime. He became President in the aftermath of Vietnam and during the second OPEC embargo. Carter's big achievement is that he killed hyper-inflation before it could trigger another depression, to the point that we didn't see it again for 40 years. Ronald Reagan gets credit for this, but it was Carter appointing tight-money Fed chairman Paul Volker that tamed inflation.”

Paul Volcker (look him up!) ran the Federal Reserve with tough love, because Carter told Volcker: “Fix this. And I won’t interfere. Not for the sake of politics or re-election. Patch the leaks in our boat. Put us on a diet. Fix it.”

 

Carter did this knowing that a tight money policy could trigger a recession that would very likely cost him re-election. The medicine tasted awful. And it worked. Though it hurt like hell for 3 years, the post-Vietnam economic trauma got sweated out of the economy in record time. In fact, just in time for things to settle down and for Ronald Reagan to inherit an economy steadying back onto an even keel. His Morning in America.

 

Do you doubt that cause and effect? Care to step up with major wager stakes, before a panel of eminent economic historians? Because they know this and have said so. While politicians and media ignore them, in favor of Reagan idolatry.

 

Oh, and you who credit Reagan with starting the rebuilding of the U.S. military after Vietnam? Especially the stealth techs and subs that are the core of our peacekeeping deterrence? Nope. That was Carter, too.

 


== The peacemaker ==


No one else has succeeded. Trump assigned Jared Kushner to "solve the Middle East." The one and only thing he accomplished was to get the Saudis and Emirates to pony up literal billions directly and indirectly into Trump family wealth.


Bill Clinton - a very solid president, if not of Carter's moral stature - came that close to a major deal that would have given the Palestinians their state and Israel peace... till Yasser Arafat screwed the pooch by walking away with just one more teensy demand. Then one more... then...


But it was Jimmy Carter who actually pulled off a miracle, getting that Camp David handshake and deal and treaty between Egypt's Sadat and Israel's Begin. The deal that left Israel with distant IRAN as its worst enemy, and not its big and potentially lethal neighbor to the west.  Yet fools shrug off that huge accomplishment, that no one since has matched. Or even come close to matching.


Want to read some more unsung or too-little-sung Carter accomplishments?


 

== Restoring Trust ==

 

And then there’s another vital thing that Jimmy Carter did, in the wake of Nixon-Ford and Vietnam. He restored faith in our institutions. In the aftermath of Watergate and J. Edgar Hoover and the rest, he made appointments who re-established some degree of trust. And historians (though never pundits or partisan yammerers) agree that he largely succeeded, by choosing skilled and blemish free professionals, almost down the line.

 

And yes, let’s wager now over rates of turpitude in office, since then. Or indictments for malfeasance, between the parties! Starting with Nixon, all the way to Biden and Trump II. When the ratio of Republicans indicted and convicted for such crimes - compared to Democrats - approaches one hundred to one, is there any chance that our neighbors will notice… and decide that it is meaningful?

Not so long as idiots think that it makes them look so wise and cool to shake their heads and croon sadly “Both parties are the same!” You, who sing that song, you don’t sound wise. You sound like an ignoramus. But it’s never actively refuted.

Not so long as Democrats - tactical fools - habitually brag about the wrong things, and never mention facts like that one. The right ones.

 

 

== What about Reagan? ==

 

So. Yeah, yeah, you say. All of that may be true. But it comes to nothing, compared to Carter’s mishandling of the Iran Hostage Crisis.

 

Okay. This requires that – before getting to my main point - we first do an aside about Ronald Reagan. 

 

By now, the evidence is way more than circumstantial that Reagan committed treason during the Iran crisis. Negotiating through emissaries (some of whom admit it now!) for the Ayatollahs to hold onto the hostages till Carter got torched in the 1980 US election.  That’s a lot more than a ‘crackpot theory' by now… and yet I am not going in that direction, today.

 

Indeed, while I think his tenure set the modern theme for universal corruption of all subsequent Republican administrations, I have recently been extolling Ronald Reagan! See all the many ways in which he seemed like Arnold Schwarzenegger, in 1970, and almost an environmentalist Democrat! Certainly compared to today’s Foxite cult. 

 

Indeed, despite his many faults – the lying and corrupt officials, the AIDS cruelty and especially the triple-goddamned ‘War on Drugs’ – Reagan nevertheless, clearly wanted America to remain strong on the world stage. And to prevail against the Soviet ‘evil empire’…

… and I said as much to liberals of that era! I asked: “WTF else would you call something as oppressive and horrible as the USSR?” 

 

One thing I know across all my being. Were he around today, Ronald Reagan would spit in the eyes of every living Republican Putin-lover and KGB shill, now helping all the Lenin-raised “ex” commissars over there to rebuild – in all it’s evil – the Soviet Union. With a few altered symbols and lapel pins. As proved by the fervent support of NATO by today's Europeans.

 

But again, that rant aside, what I have to say about Carter now departs from Reagan, his nemesis. 

 

Because this is not about Carter’s failed re-election. He already doomed any hope of that, when he told Volcker to fix the economy.

 

No, I am talking about Jimmy Carter’s Big Mistake.

 

 

== Iran…  ==

 

So sure, I am not going to assert that Carter didn’t fumble the Hostage Crisis. 

 

He did. Only not in the ways that you think! And here, not even the historians get things right.

 

When the Shah fell, the fever that swept the puritan/Islamist half of Iranian society was intense and the Ayatollahs used that to entrench themselves. But when a mob of radicals stormed the American Embassy and took about a hundred U.S. diplomats hostage, the Ayatollahs faced a set of questions:

-       Shall we pursue vengeance on America – and specifically Carter – for supporting the Shah? Sounds good. But how hard should we push a country that’s so mighty? (Though note that post-Vietnam, we did look kinda lame.) 

-       What kind of deal can we extort out of this, while claiming “We don’t even control that mob!”

-       And what’s our exit strategy? 

During the subsequent, hellish year, it all seemed win-win for Khomeini and his clique. There was little we could do, without risking both the lives of the hostages and another oil embargo crisis, just as the U.S. economy was wobbling back onto its feet.

 

Yes, there was the Desert One rescue raid attempt, that failed because two helicopters developed engine trouble. Or – that’s the story. I do have a crackpot theory (What, Brin, you have another one?) about Desert One that I might insert into comments. If coaxed. No evidence, just a logical chain of thought.  (Except to note that it was immediately after that aborted raid that emissaries from the Islamic Republic hurried to Switzerland, seeking negotiations.)

 

But never mind that here. I told you that Jimmy Carter made one big mistake during the Iran Hostage Crisis, and he made it right at the beginning. By doing the right and proper and mature and legal thing.

 

 

== Too grownup. Too mature… ==

 

When that mob of ‘students’ took and cruelly abused the U.S. diplomats, no one on Earth swallowed the Ayatollah’s deniability claims of “it’s the kids, not me!” It was always his affair. And he hated Carter for supporting the Shah. And as we now know, Khomeini had promises from Reagan. So how could Carter even maneuver?

 

Well, he did start out with some chips on his side of the table. The Iranian diplomatic corps on U.S. soil. And prominent Iranians with status in the new regime -- those who weren’t Palavists seeking sanctuary at the time. And some voices called for those diplomats etc. to be seized, as trading chips for our people in Tehran…
 

…and President Jimmy Carter shook his head, saying it would be against international law. Despite the fact that holding our folks hostage was an act of war. Moreover, Carter believed in setting an example. And so, he diplomatically expelled those Iranian diplomats and arranged for them to get tickets home.

 

Honorable. Legal. And throwing them in jail would be illegal. And his setting an example might have worked… if the carrot had been accompanied by a big stick. If the adversary had not been in the middle of a psychotic episode. And… a whole lotta ifs.

 

I have no idea whether anyone in the Carter White House suggested this. But there was an intermediate action that might have hit the exact sweet spot. 

 

Arrest every Iranian diplomat and person on U.S. soil who was at all connected to the new regime… and intern them all at a luxury, beach-side hotel.

 

Allow news cameras to show the difference between civilized – even comfy - treatment and the nasty, foul things that our people were enduring, at the hands of those fervid ‘students.’ But above all, let those images – the stark contrast - continue on and on and on. While American jingoists screeched and howled for our Iranian captives to be treated the same way. While the president refused.

 

Indeed, it is the contrast that would have torn world opinion, and any pretense of morality, away from the mullahs. And, with bikini-clad Americans strolling by daily, plus margaritas and waffles at the bar, wouldn’t their diplomats have screamed about such decadent torture? And pleaded for a deal – a swap of ‘hostages’ - to come home? Or else, maybe one by one, might they defect?

 

We’ll never know. But it would have been worth a try. And every night, Walter Cronkite’s line might have been different.

 

And so, sure. Yeah. I think Carter made a mistake. And yeah, it was related to his maturity and goodness. So, I lied to you. Maybe he was too nice for the office. Too good for us to deserve.

 

 

== So, what’s my point? ==

 

I do have top heroes and Jimmy Carter is not one of them. I admired him immensely and thought him ill-treated by the nation that he served well. But to me he is second-tier to Ben Franklin. To Lincoln and to Jane Goodall and George Marshall.

 

But this missive is more about Carter’s despicable enemies. Nasty slanderers and liars and historical grudge-fabulators…

 

…of the same ilk as the bitchy slanderers who savagely attacked John Kerry, 100% of whose Vietnam comrades called him a hero, while 100% of the dastardly “swift-boaters” proved to be obscenely despicable preeners, who were never even there.

 

Or the ‘birthers’ who never backed up a single word, but only screeched louder, when shown many copies of Obama’s 1962 birth announcement in the Honolulu advertiser. Or the ass-hats who attacked John McCain and other decent, honorable Republicans who have fled the confederate madness, since Trump. Or the stop-the-steal shriekers who - likewise - never showed a shred of plausible evidence for their poor-loser whines.

 

Or the myriad monstrous yammerers who now attack all fact-using professions, from science and teaching, medicine and law and civil service to the heroes of the FBI/Intel/Military officer corps who won the Cold War and the War on terror. 

 

Nutters and Kremlin-boys who aren’t worthy to shine the boots of a great defender-servant like Mark Milley.


 

Jeepers David… calm down. We get it. But take a stress pill, already or you might burst a vessel.


 

Okay, okay.  It’s just. We are about to embark on a journey of American self-discovery, when the very notions of democracy and enlightenment are under attack by living monsters. Monsters who know the power of symbolism vastly better than finger-wagging lib’ruls do, and who would deny us the inspiration of true heroes.

 

Heroes like Marshall. Like MLK. Like Greta Thunberg and Amory Lovins. 

 

And like the best president (by many metrics) of the last over-100 years.



== And a lagniappe about another maligned hero ==

 

I meant to stop there. But an item in today's news will make your MAGA risk a stroke. Today Joe Biden gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to George Soros.


Up there among the many despicable acts of Trumpism has been cheapening the PMOF into a pointed stick, to poke the eyes of the other party. Sure, it always had a bit of that element. But Trump turned it into a drop my pants and moon you all! episode of The Apprentice.


Many are shouting that Biden did that, today. And maybe mooning was part of it. Still, you haters need to ask yourself what it means that Soros has been howled-at more than almost anyone else on the hate lists of both Rupert Murdoch and Vladimir Putin.


I don't have time to go into what could be a whole 'nother blog. But for decades, during their frequent rants against Soros, Foxites railed: "He's so dangerous and meddlesome that Soros personally toppled Ten Foreign Governments!!" 


To which I answer: "Well, okay, I'll give you that. While you exaggerate, Soros, through his meddlesome pro-democracy NGOs, did play some role in toppling a buncha foreign governments, but..."  


...but so confident are Fox-yammerers, in the dittohead stupidity of their viewers, that they know none of them will ever express God's great gift of curiosity... and ask: 


"Say, Sean or Glenn or Tucker or Jeanine or Jesse, could you please LIST them for us? The foreign governments that YOU credit that satanic meddler G. Soros with toppling?"


Oh, to see them run if that question were ever asked on-air. Sputter and distract. Signal for a commercial break.


Can YOU name them? I gave you a clue at the end of the 3rd paragraph of this lagniappe. And there are times when all gets revealed, simply by asking the right question. Examining your clichés.


Like when I started this episode, casting doubt upon the slanderous-but-standard cliché about a truly fine president. Jimmy Carter.

 

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Larry Hart said...

Dr Brin in the main post:

But it was Jimmy Carter who actually pulled off a miracle, getting that Camp David handshake and deal and treaty between Egypt's Sadat and Israel's Begin. The deal that left Israel with distant IRAN as its worst enemy, and not its big and potentially lethal neighbor to the west.


And Iran wasn't even that until the 1979 revolution which turned it from a pro-western state into an Islamicist one.

Tony Fisk said...

The US, about to 'embark on a voyage of self-discovery'? You should be writing novels, sir!

Trump's currently too busy whining about the flags still being at half mast for his inauguration to have noticed the Soros gong. Yet.

duncan cairncross said...

I would put the change in Iran at 1953 when the democratically elected prime minister was deposed by the Brits and the CIA and the bloody Shah started his reign of terror

Larry Hart said...

Last night on the local WGN news, the story about the medals of freedom was announced, and some of the recipients were named, Magic Johnson and Hillary Clinton among them. Strangely enough, they did not mention Soros at all.

Right-wingers who denounce giving the medal to Soros have no leg to stand on after Trump disgraced the honor by giving one to Rush Effing Limbaugh.

Larry Hart said...

@duncan,

I was thinking more of the country's official position rather than underlying popular resentment. Wasn't the Shah's Iran more friendly toward Israel and less so toward Sunni/Arab states, of which they were neither.

Larry Hart said...

Tony Fisk:

Trump's currently too busy whining about the flags still being at half mast for his inauguration ...


The flags should be at half mast on account of Trump's inauguration. Jimmy Carter just provides a convenient, face-saving excuse.

Larry Hart said...

More succinctly...

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

Two words: Rush Limbaugh

Fuck your feelings

David Brin said...

Too easily triggered, I nevertheless... Duncan, while the American pax has overall been by far humanity’s best era, it certainly has featured many blemishes: e.g. Allende and Mousadegh. Show me any empire, ever, with a better ratio.

OTOH I am growing sick and tired of this “The CIA toppled…” utter bullshit. SHOW us the massive CIA armies on the ground in either of those cases, please?

Did US operatives likely go and spread some money and assurances to Iranian and Chilean generals, encouraging them? Sure, that’s likely and also sad and also understandable when an aggressively evil USSR was stoking our paranoia. But JFCh-st seriously? You think those generals and their troops and the Shah weren’t already primed? Guh. And compare the status of women before you run-on about ‘reign of terror’ under the Shah vs the mullahs.

Celt said...

Every year at football playoff time I watch this video - the greatest football video ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOjJG87vkRw

For those of you unfamiliar with ancient history, this is an NFL film - probably the best one ever - on Super Bowl III, narrated by The Voice of God, John Facenda. Everything about this video is perfect, the film editing, the awesome music, and especially the narration ("The third quarter was dying, and so were the Colts".... "One last moment for the master" ...."Namath was only seven minutes away from being pro Football Championship quarterback but in those final seven minutes Broadway Joe would learn that there is still a place for a proud old man in a young man's game" .... "Two champions on a Sunday afternoon a new one as a quarterback, and old one as a man.")

IMHO this was the greatest and most important Superbowl in history. It showed the upstart AFL coming of age as equals to the old NFL. It encapsulated the turbulent 60s, with Namath's groovy long hair and mustache vs Unitas' high and tight crew cut.

Its the moment when professional football became America's sport.

scidata said...

Bill Nye's PMoF was very well deserved. More Nyes earlier might have thwarted the Orange coup.
Calculemus!

Celt said...

No, John Facenda never said "the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field". The quote was made up by sportscaster Chris Berman, who imitated Facenda's voice.

Facenda was a well-known narrator for NFL Films, and was nicknamed "The Voice of God". The nickname came from his baritone voice, which matched the dramatic nature of the footage he narrated.

The nickname "the frozen tundra" is associated with Lambeau Field because of the outdoor stadium's location in a cold-weather city. The nickname is believed to have originated from the Packers' highlight film, The Greatest Challenge, written by Steve Sabol.

Larry Hart said...

I'm pretty sure I saw at least part of Super Bowl III live on television, but I was only eight years old at the time and not a huge football fan, so I didn't realize the historical significance.

Larry Hart said...

From memory, originally in Mad Magazine (and I didn't know any of the names at the time:

...
The Jets are playing Baltimore.
The Colts must pass to tie the score.
Unitas throws the ball sky high
Ahead to Hinton on the fly.
What next? Don't ask. Your screen now shows
A closeup of Weeb Eubank's nose.

Larry Hart said...

Something on that video surprised me. They already had the "new" goalposts with only one post on the ground as early as 1969. I would have guessed those came later in the 70s.

Der Oger said...

Show me any empire, ever, with a better ratio.

That Empire's tale is not over yet, and it might still become one full of tyranny, terror and total darkness.

And, maybe, the seeds of it have been planted in those times.

Unknown said...

Medals and prizes...I heard a reactionary suggest that Kissinger deserved his Nobel Peace Prize more than Obama.

Now, Obama's prize was for NOT BEING FUTURE WARMONGER WE HOPE, but Kissinger - well his interference may have actively delayed the Paris Accords, with that many more war dead while the US tried to bomb North Vietnam into accepting unfavorable terms. Of course, if you want to look at delaying peace, the participants in the Treaty of Westphalia probably broke records. At least they didn't take 30 years.

Pappenheimer

P.S. I would have called the USA a hegemon rather a center of empire, but recent threats to retake the Panama Canal, annex Greenland, invade Mexico and reduce Canada to statehood make me as nervous about the future as Oger. These are not the noises of a nation set to preserve the status quo.

Unknown said...

Dr. Brin,

Re; CIA toppling governments:

That's surely what they thought they were doing. They even had a playbook, with set steps. It worked in Greece and Guatemala, for two, and failed disastrously in Cuba. I've simply been taking them at their word*. They didn't think they needed vast ground armies: the idea was to fund and coordinate local antagonists to whatever government they wanted changed. In Guatemala and Cuba, US aircraft and pilots were used under false colors to give the impression that the rebels had air power.

Re: status of women, this improved in Afghanistan under the Soviet-installed government, too.

Pappenheimer

*Of course, the CIA is not known for telling even its putative controllers the truth, and probably boosted its own government-topping power more than warranted. Standard bureaucratic tactic.

Tim H. said...

A comparison of Jimmy Carter & "Drumph!" pretty much defines the difference between conservative & reactionary. High time for the (Formerly) GOP to stop considering theirselves as conservative.

Lloyd Flack said...

We didn't have to wait long to see the spittle spray from MAGA over the medal award to Soros. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-soros-medal-of-freedom-democrats-b2673866.html

Der Oger said...

President Musk just ran a poll whether the US should "liberate" the UK from it's "tyrannical" government. After demanding that Charles III dissolves the parliament.

So we are at five countries.

Der Oger said...

Fun fact: Status of women during the Cold war was better in the USSR than in many Western States.

Der Oger said...

And I am not so much nervous about those annexation plans - I am angry and sad. What makes me somewhat nervous is Musks elections interference and the fact that we have 40.000 US soldiers in our country which one day might get the order to topple our government or be used as a threat.

scidata said...

Re: Charles dissolves parliament
Interesting. Authoritarians keep trying to redo moments where Enlightenment won, in hopes of reversing history.

John Viril said...

So Der Oger, how many USSR women do you know? I happen to know one. Haven't seen her in years, but was interesting to ask her about her childhood.

Der Oger said...

I have had plenty of colleagues from Russia. No few sported nostalgic views.

David Brin said...

Tim H. calling Cater 'conservative' is both cubjectively comparative and rather dishonest, given his active engagement in almost all liberal causes of his time... even if that treacherous SOB Ted Kennedy betrayed him by savaging him as 'conservative.'

Der Oger said...

Adding to that: During the nineties, my general era was practically flooded with German-Russian remigrants. Whole counties doubled in population over a few years, and Russian became the predominant language there, for a time.

In addition to very employer-friendly communal taxes and policies*, these communities became wealthy quite quickly. As a bonus point, the Catholic church lost a bit of their grip over the region.

The drawbacks were the growth parallel communities, not rooted in either country, and shunned as the other by both cultures. A rise in crimes, though the Russian Mafia was never as persecuted as "Arab Clans" (which are displaced Kurd families, for the most part). The Vory y Zaykone ceased to be a problem ten years ago or so. Alcoholism is still a thing, but so it is in the whole of Germany.
The main thing is that this group is one of VPs strongest supporter bases, currently switching from the CDU to the AfD.

* Read: Looking away and not enforcing certain laws. It is a conservative, rural area, after all.

David Brin said...

Are any of you members of the Planetary Society*? Tuesday 6pm (pacific) I'll be livestreaming with Mat Kaplan & Stephen Potts about the terrific volume PROJECT SOLAR SAIL - now updated/fascinating!

* You should join TPS president Bill Nye (now with the Presidential Medal of Freedom!) in this great org! (I am on the advisory board.) The event will be on YouTube at some pt. Persevere ad astra!

Larry Hart said...

Heard on Stephanie Miller's radio show:
"You can't spell 'felon' without 'Elon'."

Larry Hart said...

Zuckerberg continues to pre-emptively surrender.

https://www.threads.net/@zuck/post/DEhgYx4JbEG

It's time to get back to our roots around free expression and giving people voice on our platforms. Here's what we're going to do:
...
5/ Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content.

6/ Work with President Trump to push back against foreign governments going after American companies to censor more. The US has the strongest constitutional protections for free expression in the world and the best way to defend against the trend of government overreach on censorship is with the support of the US government.
...

Larry Hart said...

https://www.threads.net/@rudepundit

Of all the pathetic shit in this absurd thread, this right here is the weakest mewl of surrender. Move to Texas to seek less biased? No, motherfucker, that’s just a way to seem biased in another direction.


Exactly the point. Everything that isn't biased for Trump/Republicans is "biased". Only information biased biased for Trump/Republicans is "unbiased".

Tim H. said...

Yet I'll stick with that, what Carter demonstrated was based on principle (Mostly), "Contemporary conservatism" appears to me as largely performative, as the players attempt to be more conservative than their competitors. As I believe Reagan did to Carter.

TheMadLibrarian said...

Along the same lines, Meta has elected to stop doing any fact checking at all, so anyone can post any random lies they wish. And The Orange One is now demanding all federal agencies refer to the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of America once he takes office (good luck with that.)

Where's my *headdesk* GIF?

Larry Hart said...

The Rude Pundit's response to that one:

https://bsky.app/profile/rudepundit.bsky.social

Trump: "We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America."

Fuck all 77 million people who voted for him and all the people who stayed home and didn't bother to vote. Fuck every single one of you. Hope you can never afford eggs again.

Alfred Differ said...

Henceforth I shall refer to it as the Gulf of Hispanola. 8)

Alfred Differ said...

I'm not all that concerned. Meta's lawyers are likely demanding this so the company doesn't get sued again. Meta has a track record of doing exactly squat when it comes to external demands while giving the appearance of compliance for a while. Fig leaf attachment time.

Larry Hart said...

Considering the states it borders, maybe the Confederate Gulf?

scidata said...

I'm waiting to see if he gets sentenced on Friday. I've never heard of anyone appealing a sentencing before it even happens. Orwell would blush at how Orwellian this all is.

Tony Fisk said...

Judge seems pretty adamant. He's getting sentenced on Friday. My fantasy? House arrest for four years.

Ah yes, a return to those heady times when 'climate change' was a sackable expression, rather than a free one. They'll probably opt for indictable this time.

'Gulf of Guacamole' may be an apt name if the baby drillers let the algal blooms take over, and whose fault would that be?

"Watch what you say, or they'll be calling you a radical. A liberal..."

Larry Hart said...

"Gulf of oil" works, although you have to sing it like "Duke of earl".

Larry Hart said...

Alfred Differ:

I'm not all that concerned. Meta's lawyers are likely demanding this so the company doesn't get sued again.


Ok, I get that they want to be considered a utility like the telephone company. No one fact-checks whether someone is lying to you on the phone, and you probably wouldn't want them to be interceding that way in the first place.

My only cause for concern is that we're still in that stage of life where (some) people think that the "news" they get from social media is vetted the way a newspaper or an old-time news show is--that if they heard it on Facebook, especially with lots of likes and agreement, then it must be true.

In some near future, people will understand that "I saw it on Facebook" means as little as "I read it on the internet". Just as with CGI imagery, people will ultimately get used to the idea that such things can be easily manipulated and learn which sources to trust and which not to. Eventually, it will all be ok.

It's just that the gullible will unwittingly facilitate much damage in the interim.

Larry Hart said...

Get your Netflix jones out of your system soon.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Jan06-6.html

Last week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit overruled the FCC and declared that the FCC does not have the authority to impose net neutrality on Internet Service providers.
...
How about a couple of examples? Amazon Prime competes with other streaming services, including Netflix, Disney+, and others. One way for Amazon to compete is to produce better content than the other guys, but that would lead to an ongoing battle that could get expensive. Another way would be for Jeff Bezos to go to AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and the other phone companies and offer a deal: I will pay you $[X] million a year if you give Amazon Prime super good performance and simultaneously slow down Netflix, Disney+, and other competitors. With net neutrality, it would be illegal for the telcos to do that. Now it is legal, so they would probably respond to Bezos with: "What's X?" They know they would lose customers if they effectively shutdown Netflix and Disney+, but if X is big enough, the bean counters at the telcos might tell the CEOs: "Do it!" Sure, Netflix would sue, but a business decision to favor one company over another is legal, just as they can decide to buy their routers from Juniper rather than Cisco.

The same issue applies to e-commerce. Suppose Walmart offers the telcos $[Y] million to slow down target.com so people get very frustrated with it and stop shopping there online. For the right price, they might be interested. After all, doing that is now legal.

We are a political site, so how about a political example? Many people get their television over the Internet. Satellite dishes and rabbit ears aren't very common. Suppose Rupert Murdoch goes to the telcos and asks: "How much do I have to pay you to reduce MSNBC and CNN to 56 kbps and give all their other bandwidth to Fox?" They might give him a number and he might accept it. Then the pesky MSNBC and CNN go away. Once on a roll, the Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal might then ask the telcos how much it would cost to throttle The New York Times and the Washington Post into uselessness. Again, they could name a number and the Journal might accept the deal. Until last week, that would be completely illegal. Now it is just companies making business decisions.

These are just a few examples. Due to the enormous impact of the Internet on just about everything, the possibility of deep-pocketed companies blocking their competition by paying the telcos to cut off their Internet access is now simply a business decision.

David Brin said...

How about the Gulf of Cuba?

Hellerstein said...

Dr. Brin:
Did you say something about the R's hating all fact-based professions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXixR8D1NVs

Tony Fisk said...

Thinking of folks in Southern California at present: wildfire and wind are a scary combination.

Alfred Differ said...

Air quality over there is going to suck tomorrow. Hope they kept a decent supply of masks.

(For those of us who live around there, those N95 masks were already in our hands before the pandemic. They are pretty handy during these fires.)

reason said...

If they are going to change the name, obviously Gulf of America is a stupid name - America is two whole continents. How about the Asteroid Gulf or Cretaceous Gulf.

reason said...

Or Gulf of Ignorance?

Celt said...

If Trump uses the War Powers Act to order the military to invade Panama and Greenland he will be committing a war crime under international law.

An American office AFAIK is not required to follow an illegal order (a precedence established at Nuremburg - "We were only following orders" is not an excuse under international law).

Could the American military refuse to carry out such an invasion if ordered by the commander in chief?

Celt said...

BTW, here is how you establish a corrupt dictatorship at the local level.

Allow me to introduce you to the Atmore Four from a small rural Alabama town .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xiio00O_gPg
Senior Citizens Jailed for Exposing Corruption

I've spent most of my career in Rural Red State America (where do you think they put hazwaste dumps, landfills, strip mines and groundwater contaminated with carcinogens - not next to country clubs that's for sure).

Never even got a traffic ticket.

But I assure you, never ever trust a local small town DA or sheriff.

They can make you go away.

Darrell E said...

Since Amazon Prime was mentioned, I'd just like to say that they have the absolute worst user interface of any streaming service. Latency is routinely multiple seconds. Push a button, go get a drink. Push another button, go take a leak. So refreshing to switch to Netflix or Hulu and experience normal speed.

scidata said...

President: L'État, c'est moi
Executive: Yes sir.
Senate: Yes sir.
Congress: Yes sir.
SCOTUS: Yes sir.

Military: hmmm.
Bond Market: no way, sorry.

Darrell E said...

Regarding US military members refusing illegal orders, it's complicated and risky. Technically both enlisted and officers are supposed to refuse illegal orders.

However, the legal aspects can be less than clear and regardless of that the outcome of refusing an order is dependent on the interpretations, whims, biases, courage, ethics and decency of senior officers, courts and high ranking politicians. Including the President. And at the very top, if a military officer refuses an order from the President that is clearly illegal, aside from any other considerations you automatically have a constitutional crisis.

Fun times. I wonder if Trump will roll those dice. I don't see why he wouldn't. I seriously doubt our government would remove him and he would probably love the mess it would make.

Alan Brooks said...

Truer word has never been written here.
Red states rationalize it via Right To Work laws and, one might add, Right To Die. After Jan 20th, we will have a heightened appreciation of your comment.

Larry Hart said...

So the candidate who ran on being the only president without a war in US history is now threatening invasions of Panama, Canada, and Greenland, the latter of which would put us at war with Western Europe?

And his supporters are fine with this?

Alan Brooks said...

He says certain things to reduce the attention paid to what he is doing.

gmknobl said...

Halfway through and you've said only things I've thought to myself for a long time. Thank you. In these dark days, it helps to hear some reassurance of my own thoughts.

To others, if you wonder why 40-some percent of the populace isn't objecting to his immature and dangerous stunts, remember when you have the propaganda tool mass media listened to religiously by that group, you should understand that just as Goebbels knew, you will get them to believe anything, any lie, no matter how ridiculous. Some excuse will be made why the orange joker's stunts are necessary and good. They'll believe it regardless of any facts.

Alan Brooks said...

Right To Work is codified;
Right To Die isn’t, yet it is the greater of the two.
As Libertarians strongly believe, one has the right to fail—and also to die.

Celt said...

His supporters are racist morons.

Larry Hart said...

More like his supporters are The Minstrel from the 1960s Batman tv show.

Minstrel: "We move now to Plan High-C!"

Henchman: "Plan High-C? That could mean the end of the world!"

Minstrel: "So what? It's THEIR world."

Larry Hart said...

My man Stonkettle don't shiv.

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

I think we can all agree Trump's plan to lower the price of eggs, gas, and mortgages by invading our allies and renaming the Gulf of Mexico is a brilliant way to own all those libs who stayed home because (insert principle of your choice here)

I know some of you are saying he's only doing this to distract us from something worse. What exactly would you consider "worse" at this point?

Larry Hart said...

Also...

You think egg prices are high now, wait until we're at war with the whole fucking world.

* * *

It wasn't free speech when it was just us, the people who came here and supported this platform. NOW that the fucking MAGAs might get their political speech suppressed, suddenly we're turning off the blocks. Hilarious that it took a bunch of fascists to get Zuckerberg and Mosseri to unblock this platform.

David Brin said...

An essay about Star Trek's 'socialist' themes:
https://unherd.com/2025/01/why-the-left-needs-to-watch-star-trek/

The particular Trek episode referred to - about the elites of Stratos - was essentially remade in the film ELYSIUM.

Yes, there are hints at socialism -- or at least post-scarcity -- in Star Trek. Though in the Picard series there are subtleties that emphasize that COMPETITION has not been banished.  It is simply rewarded in different ways. And hence the miracle of unleashed competitiveness -- which Adam Smith explained so well, and that today's right utterly ignores -- continued to perform its miracles of advancement and progress. 

This distinction, between socialism that encourage competitive creativity - e.g. Scandinavian socialism that ensures all children get all that they need, in order later to compete - versus the kind of socialism that is based on centralized allocation and control of outcomes -- e.g. Leninism/Maoism/Castroism  -- is one that is too seldom made, by those raging against 'capitalism.' OR by those enamored of simplistic comic book notions of socialism.

So low have we sunk, intellectually, that I can name no one who has actually read Karl Marx, or who can describe how highly Marx thought of the role of capitalists, while performing their 'necessary role' in capital formation before the inevitable worker revolution. 

Of course Marx could not even imagine the form of socialism that raises up all children.  Indeed, as the rich spread propaganda that the middle class should NOT send their kids to college (where they might compete with the children of the rich) you can see why (lamentably) the books of Marx are once again flying off the shelves, all over the world.

Because today's oligarchs, in their eagerness to restore 6000 years of dismal feudal rule by inheritance brats, are proving themselves to be exactly the sort of wretchedly-stoopid flattery-addicts whom I described in EARTH.

Alfred Differ said...

Heh. Gulf of Ignorance. That would REALLY apply to a lot of us over here. A very American/USian name.

It already has a number of names, though.
How about we just fall back to Permian Basin.
Our Texans might actually like that.

scidata said...

Star Trek was a 'cosmic dance' between romanticism and humanism. I expect it to become a main theme on TASAT in coming years.

Alan Brooks said...

“worse?”

Vance as potus.

Alfred Differ said...

For those tracking what Meta is doing lately, please be aware that their stated plan involves a shift toward the kind of Community Notes system that Twitter uses right now. Instead of paid staff, it's a volunteer thing with people who WANT to do fact checks doing them.

Before you declare the end of the world, take a peek at how it works on Twitter. I registered and occasionally comment by re-enforcing those who I think are doing good work. There are also abuses, but do my best to weight down those folks. The system is a little slow to respond to prolific posters and is easily ignored, but it's not so vulnerable to political games from fascists as some think. (It's moderately amusing to watch Musk get 'noted.')

Der Oger said...

What exactly would you consider "worse" at this point?
What if these outrageous demands are nothing more than an attempt to provoke outrage, then in turn using the insurrection act to persecute the political enemy on a large scale?

Larry Hart said...

Alfred Differ:

For those tracking what Meta is doing lately,...


Stonekettle wasn't actually complaining about their not being so trigger-happy about blocking content. He's actually been complaining for months about his own posts being blocked when he just mentions the word "Nazi" or that something is reminiscent of how Hitler came to power.

He was ironically complaining that they decided to do so only when MAGA wanted to post without moderation.

Alfred Differ said...

Ah. That makes sense. 8)
I can't read much of what he writes without induced anger.
Best if I don't as they'd have to up my medications.

If it helps calm people down (around here), the MAGA folks aren't going to like a Community Notes system either. If they were actually literate, they'd probably call it a Little Brother system. It is impressively easy to nag people with Notes.

Larry Hart said...

The article hardly mentions TOS at all, and when it does, it refers more to the types of societies on alien planets than to Earth or the Federation itself. By TNG and beyond, yes, the Federation was a post-scarcity economy, but I consider that a retcon, not something that was demonstrated in the original vision of Star Trek.

I'm also not convinced that a post-scarcity economy can be equated with communism.

Larry Hart said...

@Alfred, I suspect that you get angry at Stonekettle, while I get angry with him. I'm willing to listen to your side of it, though.

I don't like me when I'm angry.

John Viril said...

Honestly, I think a community notes system is a good solution. Keeps Facebook out of politicized decisions about denying certain posts. BUT, it allows the community to blow up complete BS and gives people notice that they need to research questionable facts. Plus, it prevents governments using reglatory pressure to censor facts they don't like.

David Brin said...

"BUT, it allows the community to blow up complete BS". No it doesn't. We desperately need ways for the internet to do with ASSERTIONS what markets do with goods & services and courts with justice and science with theories and sports with crappy teams.... which is make CLEAR what's of high vs low quality.

There are absolutely no signs whatsoever that anyone is trying to develop such methords for the online sewer and 'community' disdain for someone's posting DOES... NOT... DO... THAT.

In vain I keep saying that - crudely - wager demands DO in that the spewers of false assertions always flee. But we need systems I talked about over TWO DECADES AGO here in "Disputation Arenas: Harnessing Conflict and Competition." (https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/disputation.html.)

... that competition only delivers its cornucopia of positive-sum benefits when there is both transparency and cooperatively created regulation to deter the age-old human curse of cheating. Cooperation and competition are essential partners, not opposites.)

This early version appeared as the lead article in the American Bar Association's Journal on Dispute Resolution (Ohio State University), v.15, N.3, pp 597-618, Aug. 2000,

Alfred Differ said...

I mostly get angry with him, but it feels like a useless anger. What am I supposed to do with it?

He kinda reminds me of my father... with whom I got along fine. I usually agree with him... except for the need to induce anger in others without being able to give it a useful outlet.

Alfred Differ said...

There are absolutely no signs whatsoever that anyone is trying to develop such methods for the online sewer and 'community' disdain for someone's posting DOES... NOT... DO... THAT.

Agreed. I just wasn't willing to plunk down $44B for Twitter in order to backfit that platform. 8)

I think the closest the Notes system comes to being useful is being a way to add a refutation near the top of the stream of comments. It's a bit like 'equal time' or a chance on-air to refute a mad pundit on some point where there is a decent chance viewers will see it.

That's it, though. I don't think the system moves opinions or points out to somewhat rational wives that their husbands are cowards.

Larry Hart said...

Not anger-inducing (I think)...

https://bsky.app/profile/stonekettle.bsky.social

Everything is terrible, or at least it feels like it.

As such, it's more important than ever to take some time for yourself. Remember to do something you enjoy, something that makes you smile, even if no one else understands why it gives you joy.

You owe yourself your mental health.

David Brin said...

I used to own some of Eaton canyon and I wonder if my father's old home is gone...

Our daughter in Brentwood teaches at a private school where 5 to 7 of the students lost their homes.

Next the cinders of LA tumble into the sea, I guess.

matthew said...

Zuck is getting rid of moderation because moderation is expensive. Pushing moderation back on users is primarily an economic decision - it will increase FBs profitability.
Framing that economic benefit as a "return to free speech" is an effort to get the GOP to use tariffs to force the EU to allow unmoderated social media within their borders.
Zuck is a drug pusher, with the drug being righteous indignation. He is now cozying up to the "global cop" in order to push the "local cop" off of their beat.
The EU will hopefully resist.

Larry Hart said...


According to Stephanie Miller, who broadcasts from L.A., Mark (Luke Skywalker) Hammill had to evacuate.

From here, it sounds like everyone is going to be two or three degrees of separation from someone losing a home or life in these wildfires. And for those actually in SoCal, more like one degree.

Cari Burstein said...

My mom told me last night that one of my second cousins lost his home in the LA fires. Her house is ok, although it is near one of the yellow warning zones, it is unlikely to reach her area (although she did get a scary evacuation notice that probably didn't apply).

Larry Hart said...

Alan Brooks:

“worse?”

Vance as potus.


We went through this before with "Pence would be worse." Now it's "Vance would be worse."

I disagree. Would a President Vance deny disaster relief to California? Would he threaten to militarily take territory from our allies? Would he be obsessed with using the office for personal vengeance?

Alan Brooks said...

Pence is a kindly humble man who could work as a janitor in Mar-a-Lago. (Or picking cotton.)

Vance is a Hatfield/McCoy.
This is all I have to write on this matter.

matthew said...

Pence is a viscous homophobic prick who would torture my family members. Revisionist lying to call him a "kindly humble man."

scidata said...

Google says it's a Watchmen reference. You have comics references, I have Seldon references. Two different things, but in fact, the same thing :)

Alan Brooks said...

Multiple choice:
a. it was facetious
b. it was for Real
(Hint: the answer isn’t b)

Now enough of this shit.

Joe said...

Larry Hart:
"We went through this before with "Pence would be worse." Now it's
"Vance would be worse."

I disagree. Would a President Vance deny disaster relief to California?
Would he threaten to militarily take territory from our allies? Would he be
obsessed with using the office for personal vengeance?"
Good point, Larry. You've almost convinced me. Having Vance as POTUS might save us from complete catastrophe. Perhaps if things go bad enough with Trump to threaten Republican fortunes they''ll impeach him and take the hit from MAGA.

Larry Hart said...

Yes, now that you point it out, I think I can picture the comics panel where Eddie Blake gives Adrian Viedt that designation.

Larry Hart said...

A letter of comment on this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/08/opinion/justin-trudeau-canada-progressive.html#commentsContainer

Trudeau wanted to take Canada into a a sunnier place. He failed, I don’t know how hard he tried. The Conservatives want to take us back into a darker place, and I fear that they will succeed.


He's talking about Trudeau and Canada, but you could substitute "Biden", "The USA," and "Trump" in the appropriate spots and the sentiment would be just as valid.

Larry Hart said...

I'm not claiming that Vance as POTUS would be tea with the freakin' queen. I just take issue with the notion that Trump's bumbling incompetence mitigates the danger he and he specifically poses. Yes, other Republicans would be more adept at passing conservative legislation, but no one else equals Trump's capacity for having political rivals and opponents so easily bend to his will, coupled with his willingness to defy norms and protocol and get away with doing so.

Alfred Differ said...

That's it. Blake's comedy was essentially learned helplessness. Viedt essentially refuted it.

John Viril said...
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Larry Hart said...

scidata:

Google says it's a Watchmen reference.


Ok, you and Alfred are giving me an excuse to momentarily dodge politics and make a paean to Alan Moore, the writer of Watchmen.

Moore is a British writer, who I know was living in Britain as late as 1982 (when he began V for Vendetta ) and who I believe was still living in Britain in 1985 when he wrote Watchmen. For a non-American writer, he shows an extraordinary understanding of the significance of even minor details of American life and history, especially around New York City. The geography of NYC itself is practically a character in the Watchmen graphic novel.

One such detail is the reason there is a "New York Astrodome" in the Watchmen world.

See, because of Dr Manhattan's influence, the American space program in that world occupies a "Rockefeller Base" just outside of NYC rather than in Houston, Texas. Moore is apparently aware that both the New York Mets and the Houston Astros were new baseball teams in the same year (1962). Given the differences in the two worlds, it makes sense that the fictional New York team would be the one to take the name "Astros".

However, for all that, I think Moore slipped up on one thing. The whole reason the Astrodome was domed was to accommodate the need for air conditioning in the uncomfortably hot and humid Houston summers. There's no particular reason a New York team called the Astros would have needed to construct a domed stadium.

It doesn't spoil the book for me or diminish my admiration for Moore's brilliant writing. It's just that I'm probably the only one who noticed.

Larry Hart said...

In the movie Casablanca, Captain Renault counters Major Strasser's assessment of American blundering:

"We mustn't underestimate American blundering. I was with them when they blundered into Berlin in 1918."


I'm terribly afraid the same is true of Trump's blundering.

Der Oger said...

The very same sentence could have been written about our forner government coalition and the most likely government after the next election.

There is a pattern that repeats itself in every country currently, except Ireland.

BTW, the (Green) Federal President of Austria, van der Bellen, had to give the assignment to form a government to the fascist FPÖ, this week.

Musk Had His "Promo conversation" with Alice Weidel (AfD chancellor-candidate, former Goldman Sachs Manager, lesbian, lives with her family in Switzerland) yesterday ... Well, did not watch it, but apparently, to her, general education is bad and gender studies only, and Hitler was a communist.
21% would vote for this party currently (though the Hoecke wing screams in pain).

Celt said...

Factcheck: Was the LAFD budget cut? No, it actually increased. Here’s how.

“On Thursday, a spokesperson for L.A. City Councilmember Bob Blumenfield, who was budget chair last year, said the city increased the fire department’s overall budget by approximately $53 million in the current fiscal year. However, $76 million – intended to pay for fire department personnel – was placed in a fund separate from the fire department’s regular account when the budget was adopted because contract negotiations with department employees were still taking place at the time.”

As a result, if you just compare the LAFD’s budget last year to this year’s, it looks like it went down $23M. But that’s because when the budget was adopted last May or June, the city was still negotiating those new contracts. The $76M that was set aside in a separate account ultimately was moved once the MOUs were finalized.

https://www.dailynews.com/2025/01/09/factcheck-was-the-lafd-budget-cut-no-it-actually-increased-heres-how/

Alfred Differ said...

Heh. I could see a dome being appropriate for a NY football team, but they had to replace a baseball team and MLB plays through the summer.

Hadn't thought about the dome in the story before. I was paying more attention to the politicians being portrayed.

Larry Hart said...

In the real world, the Astrodome was the pioneer for all domed stadiums. "Astroturf" was invented to deal with the lack of sunlight for real grass.

Alfred Differ said...

Makes sense. I suppose the Houston Hurricanes would have been more in-line with the story.

I was in Houston in July exactly once. Don't plan to do it again. OMG!

GMT -5 (Hugh) said...

I had an hour long talk with my cousin and her mom- the mom lives in Northridge. My cousin came down from Seattle to take her mom to a doctor appointment and is staying for the duration of the emergency. Her brother Alan (a very high ranking attorney in the county DA's office had to evacuate and is staying with their mom in Northridge. Alan lives close to the Eaton fire start point but his block was safe.

I pray for even there. Where does our host live? For some reason I thought he was in South CA. I hope he is safe.

Typing on my phone in bed so I apologize for typos. Reading a fascinating book about recent LA history: CITY OF QUARTZ.

Celt said...

There is a real reason why Trump wants Canada and Greenland.

When it gets too hot, Canadian farms will become important sources of wheat as American farms become a new dust bowl. The prairie provinces have gotten so warm the growing season has lengthened so that Canadian farmers can now double crop.

As for Greenland, it possesses vast mineral and energy wealth which we can only get at once the glaciers melt.

Unfortunately when Canada and Greenland become temperate it's really going to suck in Texas. I say we should build a wall along the great lakes and the Canadian border to keep out dumbfuck red state rube refugees.

And make Texas pay for it.

You see Trump knows that global warming is real. The job given him by the oligarchs that actually rule our country is to keep Americans ignorant of how bad things really are.

Which ain't hard given how fucking stupid the typical MAGA voter is. All you have to do is distract these inbred bigots with fear of the dozen or so trans kids nationwide playing sports. And they won't notice as they lose their political freedom, can't get insurance or buy groceries.

And I say fuck 'em, they will be getting what they deserve.

Celt said...

I highly recommend "The Deluge" by Steve markley.

It's a dystopian climate fiction novel about the world unraveling and falling apart as the world gets hotter.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/mar/02/the-deluge-by-stephen-markley-review-apocalypse-in-slow-motion#:~:text=It's%20an%20offhand%20but%20accurate,vision%20of%20the%20coming%20decades.

It has a couple of chapters on the LA fire that burns through the heart of the city.

Larry Hart said...

GMT:
Where does our host live? For some reason I thought he was in South CA. I hope he is safe.

I think you are correct. Maybe more San Diego way than L.A., but I don't know that for sure.

His recent re-releasing of Glory Days has me re-reading the book for the first time in about 20 years, and I have a question for him about the book, but I'll wait for him to signal a more appropriate time.

Larry Hart said...

Glory Season of course. I keep making that mistake.

Alfred Differ said...

He's down by San Diego. One of those coastal burbs. 8)

I'm in Ventura country in Oxnard near the 101. I can see the smoke to the east. When the hills above Santa Monica and Malibu burn it is really obvious from here.

I've got a niece over near Dodger stadium as well. She has bags packed, but her evac plans involve the boyfriend's parents near Anaheim.

It's a BIG place.

C-plus said...

Unfortunately, its not just "red state" folks that are stupid. People are people. e.g. the dumb-ass that crashed his drone into a water bomber that was trying to save LA was very likely NOT from a red state.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-sopfeu-plane-grounded-1.7427777

Lloyd Flack said...

I'm pretty sure that Trump believes the climate change denialist rubbish. He has no curiousity and believes the latest thing that a flatterer whispers into his ear especially if it would be convenient for the wealthy if it was true.

Larry Hart said...

Celt:

There is a real reason why Trump wants Canada and Greenland.


Sure. There's a real reason why Putin wants Ukraine too. There was a real reason Hitler wanted lebensraum to the east. That doesn't mean they should just get to take what they want.

Larry Hart said...

Lloyd Flack:

I'm pretty sure that Trump believes the climate change denialist rubbish.


Sort of. He and his ilk are very adept at believing contradictory things at the same time.

So he can believe that human-caused climate change is a hoax and that the earth is warming enough to make the Arctic navigable and Greenland ripe for mining.

Larry Hart said...

Ok, funny story. A few years out of college, some of my former roommates and friends all got together for dinner at a local restaurant. One of the guys, my former roommate Marc, had become annoyingly vocally vegetarian back in school, and was at the time about six years into vegetarianism.

So the waitress brings us a bowl of tortilla chips and some dip which she clearly calls "beef and bean dip." Marc either didn't hear her or wasn't paying attention, and he starts dipping a chip in the dip. The rest of us are staring in disbelief, and one of us even says, "Didn't you hear her. She said beef and bean dip," which Marc shrugs off with, "Yeah, right." And he eats the chip. And starts dipping and eating more of them. Six years of vegetarianism down the drain.

After a few bites, Marc gets this horrified look on his face and goes, "Hey! I think there's mean in this!" To which the rest of us can't help but break out laughing.

I remember that event when I read stuff like this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/08/technology/elon-musk-far-right.html

Some right-wing personalities who championed Mr. Musk’s foray into Republican politics now say they feel deceived and worry that their agenda may be sidelined in favor of his own.

Larry Hart said...

That's :"I think there's meat in this!" Can't believe I typoed the punchline.

Alfred Differ said...

Your punchline still works. Eating meat IS mean. Right? 8)

As for Musk's agenda... that's kinda what I was hoping for. I'll accept his agenda by holding my nose anytime over accepting theirs. (Matthew will likely call me a fan boy now*, but I'm just pointing out that Musk's agenda isn't one DESIGNED to burn down the world.)

*Yah. I still like Matthew. He's bluntly honest even if misguided. I'll live with that anyday over someone pissing on me and saying it is raining.

Treebeard said...

How do you think the great and glorious USA came into existence buddy? Maybe our California friends should give their lebensraum back to Mexico? Trump is just threatening to do what America has always done: take what they want by force. And this is his main failing: he says openly what America’s imperial bosses would rather do quietly and politely, according to the “rules-based order” (which in practice means “we make the rules, you follow our orders”). They’d rather have a smooth-talking salesman who can convince the world that the US empire is the law-abiding good-guy as it imperializes you than a loudmouth outlaw who just says it like it is. Personally I think it’s kinda beautiful; it’s like Trump is an agent of karma, sent to take the mask off, show the world what America has always been, and say: do you not love it? Of course liberals, who want all the benefits of empire while being told they’re the world’s good guys and saviors at the same time, can never forgive him for that.

scidata said...

Your punchline still works in Cantonese, where 'mean' sometimes refers to minced meat.

Larry Hart said...

Whether or not Musk's agenda is agreeable to you, the point is that not only did he never have the goals of MAGA at heart, but we on our side of the aisle were shouting that from the rooftops. And they shrugged our warnings off with the equivalent of "Yeah, right!"

So now, we and MAGA can all be upset that they voted to put Musk's policies in place. And it didn't have to be this way. Except that they were more concerned with making us cry than in getting what they wanted for themselves.

Alfred Differ said...

And they shrugged our warnings off with the equivalent of "Yeah, right!"

Heh. Of course they did. 8)

they voted to put Musk's policies in place

Which ones? He has enough support for them in Congress?

Tony Fisk said...

@Larry I refer to typos that aren't quite wrong as 'eggcorns'. It isn't the precise definition, but it does me.

@Alfred Musk has openly stated he wants to crash the economy. He may or may not be just playing along with Trump and Bannon (who have also said this). I'll take the little pissant at face value, as it suits both scenarios.

Der Oger said...

@Alfred Musk has openly stated he wants to crash the economy. He may or may not be just playing along with Trump and Bannon (who have also said this). I'll take the little pissant at face value, as it suits both scenarios.

Maybe he not only wants to save humanity by bringing us to Mars and advancing electric vehicles, but also accelerating capitalism to a point where socialist revolutions become inevitable. (No, honestly, I don't believe that, but I would not rule it out, either.) And maybe the interesting part in the next years will be that all those other Western oligarchs will try to gain back the influence they have lost to Musk and Thiel.

But maybe he is just a giant nepo baby with more power his drug-addled brain can handle.

Larry Hart said...

My amateur take on Musk is that he has taken the concept of "creative destruction" to the extreme, believing that no creativity is possible without destruction.

Larry Hart said...

Alfred Differ:

"they voted to put Musk's policies in place"

Which ones? He has enough support for them in Congress?


He's not even in power* yet, but he was able to scrap the bipartisan budget deal that Congress was about to pass right before Christmas.

True, Musk didn't get the deal he wanted passed either, bit he was able to single-handedly obstruct one.

* I'm going to keep riding the "President Musk" meme until Trump gets upset enough to relegate Musk to the "I hardly knew him--he just got me coffee a few times," bin.

duncan cairncross said...

* I'm going to keep riding the "President Musk" meme until Trump gets upset enough to relegate Musk to the "I hardly knew him--he just got me coffee a few times," bin.

Then who would replace him?
And would that be an improvement - or worse?

This is not a situation that a sane electorate would want!

I "hope" that Musk is playing 3D Chess to Trump's checkers and that he still has the objectives that he has published in his "Plans"

But I'm glad I'm not living in the USA

duncan cairncross said...

On the point about Elon Musk's "Plans" - I agree 100% with his published aims - but I suspect that Musk would accept a much higher level of "collateral damage" to achieve them than I would

Larry Hart said...

Then who would replace him?

Someone who doesn't own Twitter, for one thing.

But no one would replace him for very long. Trump doesn't willingly abide anyone pulling his strings, or profiting from his policies in ways that don't enrich Trump himself.

Alfred Differ said...

Larry,

…believing that no creativity is possible without destruction.

In the aerospace and automobile sectors, that is largely true. Other, older companies in both sectors played a good political game locking out new entrants.

1) I know from my own experience that aerospace was locked out by a combination of the regulators (like FAA), the funding source (mostly Congress), and the other competitors (mostly defense contractors). Try to do anything innovative and you'd get hit from three sides once they decided your effort presented a competitive risk.

This lockout got so bad that US defense contractors surrendered the commercial market to international companies around the time the Shuttle was to be retired… and USians BELIEVED them. They were so damn good at blocking us out that they made it look like there was no f$#%ing market to serve! And people BELIEVED them! (I'm still steamed about this... thus guilty of shadenfreude as SpaceX screws them.)

2) Tell me the same wasn't true for car manufacturers. It took the wealth of nation-states to break into the sector owned by the post-WWII surviving winners. (e.g. Japanese autos, S.Korean autos, etc)

Competition always riles someone. Even fair competition pisses off people. Destruction occurs.

duncan cairncross said...

A link to Elon Musk's - "Master Plan"

https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/Tesla-Master-Plan-Part-3.pdf

Unknown said...

Competition between flagship corporations with gov't support is a kind of competition, I guess, but it sure isn't pure capitalism. That extends to airlines as well.

Then again, 'pure' capitalism isn't. It requires rules between nations to regulate int'l trade, for one thing, and successful megacorps, as you point out, can and do manipulate the governments that are theoretically regulating them*. I remember reading about the Tucker guy and his wunderwagen.

All this is a good reason to break up megacorps and disempower their billionaire owners. A guy with a measly hundred million won't starve.

(There was a Joe Haldeman novel where someone came up with a reliable rejuvenation method, but it was secretive and very expensive - you were charged everything you had. A Musk or Zuckerberg would gain twenty years of life but have to start over with pocket lint.)

*not new - it's a side effect of gilded ages

Pappenheimer

Unknown said...

The Guardian has an article pointing out that rumpT and Musk are in agreement that actual democracies with alliances and agreements with the US are now the enemy, with preferential treatment given to inimical autocracies. If that is part of this Plan of Musk's, I want no part of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/10/trump-america-musk-starmer-europe

Pappenheimer

duncan cairncross said...

Hi Pappenheimer
You could try reading his "Master Plan"

Although his plan is an engineering/physical thing - he appears to think that actual outcomes are more important than political stuff

Der Oger said...

I would say the same about our car manufacturers and electric vehicles.

Celt said...

Though climate deniers are too stupid to believe in global warming, insurance companies don't share their stupidity.

https://www.ecothot.com/post/california-s-crisis-insurance-exodus-150-billion-losses-and-a-grim-road-to-wildfire-recovery

California's Crisis: Insurance Exodus, $150 Billion Losses, and a Grim Road to Wildfire Recovery

California, long regarded as the land of dreams, now faces a nightmare of staggering proportions. Between 2020 and 2022, insurance companies declined to renew policies for 2.8 million homeowners, leaving countless residents scrambling for coverage. At the same time, the state has suffered an unprecedented $150 billion in losses as of Jan 12th, 2025, according to AccuWeather preliminary economic figures from devastating wildfires, making them potentially the costliest in U.S. history.

Insurance is expected to cover only approximately $20 billion of these losses according to JP Morgan analysts, leaving a significant gap for uninsured damages. For many Californians, this means shouldering the burden of recovery themselves. Those without coverage are left with limited options, often turning to the California FAIR Plan, a last-resort insurance program that provides minimal coverage at steep premiums.

The rebuilding process, estimated to cost $500 billion or more, will require the involvement of federal and state agencies, insurance companies, and individual property owners. Federal disaster assistance, which typically covers up to 75% of rebuilding costs, could be subject to political negotiations, adding further uncertainty to an already dire situation. Additionally, the California Disaster Assistance Act (CDAA) offers financial aid to local governments for disaster recovery, but its scope is unlikely to cover the immense scale of destruction, leaving many residents and businesses to fend for themselves.

Compounding these challenges are skyrocketing material costs and labor shortages as thousands of Californians race to rebuild their homes and livelihoods. High demand is expected to drive prices for construction materials through the roof, placing an enormous financial strain on those already grappling with uninsured losses.



The last statement about costs precedes the hyperinflation that will be triggered by Trump's tariffs and mass deportations.

Once lumber and concrete from Canada and labor from Mexico are cut off expect the costs of home construction to triple.

We are so fucked.

So very, very fucked.

Thanks to Trump loving climate deniers we, America and the world are sooooo totally fucked.


I used to think that having my house paid off and a substantial 401k was sufficient for a secure retirement.

They may still be as stocks and real estate are the only asset classes that keep pace with inflation (only an idiot would buy bonds in the coming Trump years).

Though it will be fun to watch everyone who said they voted for Trump because of the price of eggs being unable to afford groceries (even though that was really just an excuse so they would not have to openly admit that they would not vote for a black woman, verily we are a nation of racist assholes - but I digress).

But maybe I should make a few other investments.

Like those Costco emergency food buckets (you can get a year's worth of food delivered on a pallet), MREs in general, beans and rice, water purifying equipment, AR-15s, etc.

Larry Hart said...

Alfred Differ:

Competition always riles someone. Even fair competition pisses off people. Destruction occurs.


In dog-eat-dog capitalism, sure. "You've got to give the other fella Hell!"

In government by the people for the people, the considerations are different. As Hal Sparks puts it concerning running government like a business, "You can't fire the poor."

My sense is that Musk wants to fire the poor. Like Thanos.

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Larry Hart said...

duncan cairncross:

he appears to think that actual outcomes are more important than political stuff


If the "political stuff" simply involved the means through which society implements his energy plans, I'd be more agreeable.

Since the "political stuff" involves whether my daughter can receive health care, or whether I can ever retire, or whether the army will be deployed to enforce conformity on US streets, I can't separate the two.

reason said...

Larry, I think it works exactly the other way around. Creative destruction is a misnomer. It should be called destructive creation. The car was not developed because the horses disappeared.

Larry Hart said...

duncan cairncross:

I agree 100% with his published aims - but I suspect that Musk would accept a much higher level of "collateral damage" to achieve them than I would


Y'know, what you and I are saying aren't all that different, other than which clause of that sentence deserves more emphasis.

reason said...

Which of course can never be correct. Because outcomes are not foreseeable, and are also not simply evaluable. That is why you need broad based accountability. Economic growth that accelerates environmental destruction and doesn't improve the lives of the broad population is not worth having.

Larry Hart said...

Once he had the Infinity Stones, Thanos was actually more merciful in his means. Maybe, "like Kodos the Executioner" is a more appropriate metaphor.

Larry Hart said...

https://bsky.app/profile/rexhuppke.bsky.social

Drinking this No More Tears shampoo is just making me sadder.

reason said...

There is no real reason why Putin wants Ukraine (not at least in the sense of Putin representing Russian interests). He could have imported what he needed from Ukraine. Russian productivity was lower, so there may be less available if it becomes a repressed vassal state. And Russia is too big anyway. And way has destroyed the industrial infrastructure they wanted anyway. It is all about Putin's psychological needs not Russia's.

reason said...

I think exactly the opposite. That processes are more important than outcomes. Because it allows correction to errors. The error is in thinking that you have perfect foresight.

scidata said...

When I saw the scene in some Woody Allen flick of the doctor sitting on the street, drinking a bottle of Woolite, I laughed for a week. Tragedy and comedy are indeed two sides of the same coin.

WilliamG said...

I'm originally from Chicago but currently living in Orlando. I'm old enough it may not matter but I currently encourage all my younger family members to stay in the Midwest.

About 20 years ago when I was managing a factory in the city I joined a team mediated by the city to explore different ways of reducing industrial waste. Interestingly a person from the City of Chicago's forestry department was there. She related that she had just got back from Birmingham Alabama - the department's models predicted Chicago's climate would become similar to Birmingham's within the lifetime of your average tree. They had gone to Birmingham to see what grew best and planned to adjust their plantings accordingly. Hopefully they followed through.

Larry Hart said...

Internal dialogue over "creative destruction"...

The devastation in Los Angeles brings to mind the Chicago Fire of 1871.

Few now dispute that the rebuilding after the fire was an essential element in the greatness that arose from those ashes. Yet, had I been alive back then and someone proposed burning the city to the ground as an intentional method of facilitating growth, I don't see how I could have been for it.

Celt said...

Putin wants Ukraine for demographic reasons. Russia's birthday rates and life expectancy have both collapsed. Russians as a people are dying out.

He's not trying to get land in Ukraine. He's trying to acquire people.

Ironically the war has probably sealed Russia's fate and will be the last straw demographically. Putin has already run out of young males to fight with as evidenced by the need for north Korean soldiers to fill the gaps in the Russian formations. All those dead young men should be back home with their wives and girl friends making babies.

Russia is now a dead man walking.

Larry Hart said...

reason:

The car was not developed because the horses disappeared.


And the fully-automated factory was not developed because the workers disappeared.

David Brin said...

No, the fires didn't reach near us and ralatives in LA are fine. Just swamped with other things. Thanks to those who were concerned. More soon.

Larry Hart said...

How do you think the great and glorious USA came into existence buddy?

Yeah, but liberals aren't the ones who celebrate that or think it should continue to be our template. It's you guys who think that trying to be more humane is a weakness.


liberals, who want all the benefits of empire while being told they’re the world’s good guys and saviors at the same time,


It's your buddy Putin who wants all the benefits of a rules-based order (like participation in the world economy) while flaunting any rules he doesn't care for.

Larry Hart said...

@Alfred, You know that, while a modern city certainly needs a police department to facilitate smooth running, there are nevertheless some individuals who are attracted to police work for disturbing reasons which should be disqualifying?

In the same vein, while a certain amount of destruction may be necessary for creation to happen, there are those for whom the destruction itself is what provides the thrill. And I'm afraid that Musk is one of those.

Unknown said...

Scidata,

"Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex*"

"*but were afraid to ask"

Pappenheimer

Unknown said...

I used to wonder where supervillains found henchmen to do obviously stupid and dangerous things. Shouldn't they be asking, before signing up, "What happened to the last set of henchmen you hired?*"

It does seem that in Nov 2024, enough of the US population fell into the 'willing henchfolk' category to put Lex Luthor With Brain Damage into office. And I do mean fell.

Pappenheimer

*this is a recurring theme in the Venture Brothers. And, iirc, the crew of the Planet Express has returned from a mission to find Prof. Farnsworth already briefing their replacements...

Unknown said...

You can say "Gulf of Mexico" or "Gulf of America", but I and a lot of weatherhumans see it as "Supercharger of Hurricanes"

Pappenheimer

Larry Hart said...

For Cerebus readers, "Something fell!"

Alfred Differ said...

I am loathe to punish folks who do it right and wind up filthy rich as a result. Taking the money sends a strong signal that they shouldn't have tried.

Alfred Differ said...

No. Even in a positive sum world, fair competition destroys things. No one actually likes* fair competition. It's just that unfair competition is worse.

* Some people are risk takers. Some are willing to take risks others won't accept. They only LOOK like they like competition, though. What they like is the thrill of the risk... and then winning. If we were honest with ourselves and examined it closely, the thrill is sexual while winning means you get to reproduce.

Alfred Differ said...

The connection between the police and those who 'get policed' was explained to me awhile ago. My late sister married into a family with a police tradition. I hear you.

I get that you are afraid Musk is one of those, but I suspect that is is closer to one of those than you find comfortable. He IS a risk taker. He OBVIOUSLY enjoys the thrill. How many kids does he have now?

Thing is, the world is better now from his risks. AND he didn't take those risks alone, so it is more accurate to say the world is better now from THEIR risks.

Pee your pants if you want. That is a natural reaction when we are around risk takers. It means you understand the danger they are creating. Don't stop them from taking risks, though. Just do what you can to ensure the blast zones created by their occasional failures don't take out everyone.

Alfred Differ said...

Meh. First microeconomics class notes... prices signal where innovators pay attention. It's just more supply-n-demand stuff. E.g. Ford's attention was drawn toward assembly lines by how costs added up to set car prices.

Economics is the study of how humans choose between possible substitutions.

Larry Hart said...

@Alfred, No argument, but society is not all about economics. If human labor is no longer cost-effective, we need a social strategy for dealing with that fact. And the Thanos option is not one I am willing to accept.

Larry Hart said...

It's not the entire class of risk-takers that concerns me. It's the subset who think that all risk is good and that concern over the possible negative consequences is best ignored as "pissing* one's pants."

This stanza from the Kipling poem sounds manly and daring, but it speaks to a risk that doesn't sound as if it was worth taking:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;


* "Men piss. Women pee."

Larry Hart said...

Alfred Differ:

No one actually likes* fair competition. It's just that unfair competition is worse.


Ok, there always have to be winners and losers. With fair competition, we agree that the successes and failures are fair and square, and not cause for vengeance. And in an advanced enough society, the losers are free to start again at something else. Everything isn't betting one's life.


* Some people are risk takers. Some are willing to take risks others won't accept.


The ones I distrust are "willing" to put others at risks that those others wouldn't voluntarily accept. Say you managed to bet my house on one game of pitch and toss. Even if you won the bet and I took a share of the winnings, I'd have been justified in being outraged that my well-being was gambled in a manner I would not have done myself.


What they like is the thrill of the risk... and then winning. If we were honest with ourselves and examined it closely, the thrill is sexual while winning means you get to reproduce.


No argument from me on the metaphor. It doesn't make the risk-takers more trustworthy, though. It demonstrates an ulterior motive.

scidata said...

Rocket Lab is hanging out with the cool kids. Recent "Ice AIS Baby" launch:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i081vyh3WO0

Alfred Differ said...

Exactly. Ike’s SecDef nominee said something along the lines of “What’s good for General Motors is good for America” (we misquote him most likely) and there was some truth to it in both directions. It’s hard to break into a sector when national interests become one of your competitors. (We saw this during the Cold War. Space was all about national interests.)

Lloyd Flack said...

Another problem with Musk is his workaholism and his attempts to turn others into workaholics. He has said that he wants people willing to put in ridiculous hours for his government efficiency organization. He and other tech billionaires have attacked the idea of work life balance. And he has attacked the whole idea of working from home saying that doing so is unfair to those workers who by the nature of their work cannot have that opportunity. He removed features on Twitter that allowed people to directly post links saying that doing so was lazy. He wants to impose the work habits that he likes on the rest of us whether we like them or not.

Der Oger said...

I hope it remains that way. Fingers Crossed.

Der Oger said...

A decade or so ago I had conversations with healthcare engineers. They told me that they were trained to guard against industrial espionage, and that the US were conducting it to the same extent than China does.

So much for "competition" and cheating.

Larry Hart said...

@Alfred, I suspect we're talking at cross-purposes about Musk. You keep describing what makes him a good businessman and engineer. I'm more concerned that he's the wrong type of person to have the president's ear and to steer the national conversation via his control of Twitter.

Those are not necessarily contradictory positions.

Larry Hart said...

I don't know who to root for.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Jan13-2.html

Steve Bannon is ramping up attacks on Elon Musk, who is the poster boy for the elites Bannon hates with a passion. The H-1B skirmish was only the beginning. Bannon is clearly intending to use his influence and audience to cut Musk down to size. He gave an interview with the Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera recently. Here is a Google translation of the first thing he told the paper:

"I will get Elon Musk kicked out by the time he gets inaugurated. He will not have a blue pass with full access to the White House. He will be like everyone else. He is a truly evil person. Stopping him has become a personal issue for me. Before, since he put up so much money, I was ready to tolerate it. Not anymore."
...

Larry Hart said...

Ok, gotta love the snark.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Jan12-1.html

S.K. in Bloomfield Township, MI, writes: I was thinking if the Gulf of Mexico's name was changed to Gulf of America, and then if Mexico decided to change its name to America to maintain the association, its citizens would then be called Americans and our anti-immigration folks would have to complain about Americans crossing over into our country.

Celt said...

Trump is going to have trouble invading anyone.

Gen Z and Gen A no longer believe the right wing militaristic warmongering bullshit:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/368528/us-military-army-navy-recruit-numbers

America isn’t ready for another war — because it doesn’t have the troops
The US military’s recruiting crisis, explained.

Not enough soldiers
Three of America’s four major military services failed to recruit enough servicemembers in 2023. The Army has failed to meet its manpower goals for the last two years and missed its 2023 target by 10,000 soldiers, a 20 percent shortfall. Today, the active-duty Army stands at 445,000 soldiers, 41,000 fewer than in 2021 and the smallest it has been since 1940.

The Navy and Air Force missed their recruiting goals, too, the Navy failing across the board. The Marine Corps was the only service to achieve its targets (not counting the tiny Space Force). But the Marines’ success is partially attributable to significant force structure cuts as part of its Force Design 2030 overhaul. As a result, Marine recruiters have nearly 19,000 fewer active duty and selected reserve slots to fill today than they did as recently as 2020.

A decrease in the size of the active force might be less worrying if a large reserve pool could be mobilized in the event of a major war or national emergency. But recruiting challenges have impacted the reserve components even more severely than the active duty force. The National Guard and Reserves have been shrinking since 2020. Last year, the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve each missed their recruiting targets by 30 percent. The Army Reserve had just 9,319 enlistees after aiming to recruit 14,650 new soldiers. Numbers for the Navy Reserve were just as bad — the service missed its enlisted and officer targets by 35 and 40 percent, respectively.


Remember the 1960s slogan "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

Updated version for the 2020s: "What if they gave a war and there was nobody to send?"

Young people don't believe your patriotic bullshit anymore since they know they are just dying for corporate profits.

A good way to prevent a militaristic dictatorship, just don't have anyone join the military.

Alan Brooks said...

Paleo mind-wars:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/

Celt said...

I'm going to love watching MAGA voters suffer.

Only question is which makes them suffer most?

The promises he failed to keep (banning H1B workers, reducing the price of groceries, etc.).

Or the promises he will keep (massive tariffs and mass deportations).

Or the things he is going to do that he was quiet about (cutting Medicaid, gutting social security, etc.).

Der Oger said...

A good way to prevent a militaristic dictatorship, just don't have anyone join the military.

They just need to reintroduce the draft, right?

Larry Hart said...

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

When Trump and Muskrat finally do show up in California, I want them taken right into the middle of the fire. Take them right into the center of it, 200 foot high flames, 80mph winds, then hand Musk the microphone and demand he explain how he's going to put it out. Point the cameras at him, live to the world, okay, Billionaire Genius Rocket Boy, tell us. You got 30 seconds before we all burn to death. What's your fucking plan? Let's hear it.

Larry Hart said...

Also this:

"From all appearances, the rich plan to go to the Moon or Mars to escape."

They should leave now. I'll help 'em pack.

But then I feel the same way about the Christian Rapture.

Der Oger said...

They don't need Bannon anymore. He will get discarded like they discarded others before. Being ignored, reduced to political powerlessness, cast back into the filthy masses he helped to incite, possibly stricken of his wealth through legal actions ... still seems to be a punishment to lenient for this evil guy, but it will destroy him from the inside.

Alfred Differ said...

We agree about that. Our choice for now, though, is which variant of a shitshow we want to face.

Larry Hart said...

I've felt the same way...

https://www.threads.net/@rudepundit

I gotta be honest: I totally forgot that JD Vance existed.

Larry Hart said...

BTW, the business and government relocating to Mars is the backstory of the 1980s comic book American Flagg!. The story itself took place in the early 2030s.

Tim H. said...

LH, my favorite rapture joke is "The secret rapture already happened, few noticed the six people who qualified were missing.".

Larry Hart said...

Yes, but I'd be happy if the ones who think they'd be saved actually got taken up. They get what they want, and we get what we want.

Alan Brooks said...

He will fulfill one promise to the maximum: seeking revenge against his enemies real and imagined.

scidata said...

Here's a Meta joke Scott Galloway recently repeated:
Boy: "My dad says that you steal our information."
Zuck: "He's not your dad."

Tony Fisk said...

I'm inclined to think things for us will get easier *after* the Rapture.

Unknown said...

The Rapture I can get behind was envisioned by Sherri Tepper in the novel 'Beauty*' where a fairy-tale princess shifts between pasts and futures - she encounters fundamentalists in a high-tech dystopian future, and then hears them, crammed into slave cages in an alternative past, wondering what the hell happened**. Leopards, faces. (the theory here is that christianity/monotheism has drained the world of magic by constant invocation and prayer.)

*I think. Been a long time

**Ms. Tepper is no friend of patriarchy or organized religion

Pappenheimer

David Brin said...

Sorry. Been swamped. Organizing lots of AI images (paying the prompter-human) for an illustrated version of THE ANCIENT ONES, juding a fiction contest, wrote an essay about AI, edited another Out of Time novel, cutting excess foliage away from the house...

... and pondering that - while no human agency could rouse of steer hurricanes at Florida, plenty of humans can ignite fires. And Hate California is a viciously common meme in some realms.

Unknown said...

Might not work. Bismarck bequeathed a draft-ready Germany by educating and feeding even the lower classes; 1914 England found out that a lot of their inductees were in too poor health to be much use. The US has problems even with its volunteers - too many obese couch gamers and ill nourished poors. (Then again, not many will be required to march 40 km with full pack in August....compared to a WWI military, the vast majority of the modern US military is logistic tail.)

The obvious solution was bruited about and put into partial use 1-2 decades ago - mercenaries. ('Military contractors'.) iirc, many nationalities - even Nepalese - showed up on rosters of 'security forces' in Iraq. It always seems like a great idea until a merc officer cadre decides they can do a better job of ruling than you do, and it was pretty obvious that Erik Prince imagined himself a Florentine condotierro-in-waiting.

Pappenheimer

Der Oger said...

The majority of fires start through arson, either by carelessness or criminal intent. And while it might be hate against California, it could also be hate against the rich, general wish to create chaos and anarchy, and estate speculation (like it was so common in Mediterranean nations like Greece).

Der Oger said...

Question: Do the Chain Gang Firefighters have a realistic chance to have their sentences reduced?

Even with that in mind, I can't help and compare it to Russia sending wave after wave of prisoners into the meat grinder.

Der Oger said...

In the age of FPS Drones in the battlefield, being an experienced gamer might bring it's own benefits.

With social tensions, class disparities and divisiveness most likely increasing during the next four years, private security companies catering to the protection of the wealthy might become a thing. Especially after the CEO shooting.

Re:
Florentine condotierro-in-waiting.
I once thought about him as a possible new Sulla. Not in any positive sense.

Larry Hart said...

During the height of COVID and the backlash against mask and vaccine mandates, someone used the metaphor that we're all standing on a giant puddle of gasoline, and Republicans are arguing that they have the right to light a match if they feel like it.

Some people seem to have taken that literally.

Larry Hart said...

Are we quite sure who God is angry at?

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Jan14-2.html

One might also point out that while California is blue, plenty of Republicans were hurt by the fires, too (in fact, the fires basically hit the most Republican-leaning parts of Los Angeles County).

Larry Hart said...

Heh.

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

You don't send Cybertrucks to put out a fire.

Cybertrucks START fires.

reason said...

Alfred "Thing is, the world is better now from his risks. AND he didn't take those risks alone, so it is more accurate to say the world is better now from THEIR risks." -
Is it really? You must be looking at a different world than I am.

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David Brin said...

You must watch these two minutes of Tim Kaine grilling a perfect example of today's Republican nominees. Stunning to finally find a Democrat capable of polemical knife-fighting. Followup: "Count the wives!" Demand wagers whether the number of wives (serial) plus concubines (parallel) among GOP Congressmembers+appointees is ONLY double that of Dems... or instead 3x or even (by my count) 4x that of Dems.
While at it, demand a wager: whether almost all Red-run states have far higher rates of almost every turpitude (from gambling, STDs, domestic violence, murder, rape, teen sex and gambling to - yes - divorce etc) than almost all blue states.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/14/politics/video/pete-hegseth-marriage-affairs-senate-hearing-tim-kaine-digvid

David Brin said...

If this pans out, maybe Denmark+Greenland will buy Alaska. “> Copenhagen Atomics is a Danish molten salt technology company developing mass manufacturable molten-salt reactors. The reactor type invented by Copenhagen Atomics is a thorium molten salt breeder reactor, which fits inside a custom built 40 foot shipping container and can be mass manufactured on assembly lines with an expected output of minimum 1 reactor per day (per assembly line). The target customers are large plants producing commodities such as aluminum, ammonia or hydrogen.”

https://nextbigfuture.substack.com/p/copenhagen-atomics-progressing-to-mass-production-of-molten-salt-nuclear-reactorshtml

duncan cairncross said...

Cybertrucks - all EVs - cause about 20 times LESS fires than IC vehicles
In this instance the Cybertrucks were acting as power supplies for StarLink terminals - so that the firefighters could communicate

duncan cairncross said...

I live in THIS world - and Musk has made things a HUGE amount better - he says some stupid crap but his ACTIONS have moved us forwards on two of the biggest problems facing mankind

Lloyd Flack said...

There are still likely fraud charges in New York waiting for Bannon. There is not much that Trump can do to protect him even if he were inclined to do so.

duncan cairncross said...

I would LOVE to see cheap nuclear power - but I would give 100:1 odds against it happening in my lifetime
Currently nuclear is four times the cost of Wind, Solar and storage - which goes up to ten times the cost if you include insurance and decommissioning

Der Oger said...

Seen it, and that was a sight to behold. What a clown. Warren and Duckworth were good, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDVHfI0XBAA

I'd asked him if he is drunk or under the influence of drugs now, and demanded a breath, blood, pee and/or hair test on the spot.

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