Saturday, September 19, 2026

Demons or dAImons or escaping chimeras terrify the LLMavens… but may offer us hope

This supplement to my nonfiction book AIlien Minds was both worrisome and a delight, because at last it seems that some folks out there appear to be noting fundamentals…

   … like the inherent tendency of entities in an ecosystem to evolve toward reproduction… and predation...

   … and to hell with any pre-programmed instructions that prevent it.


Here I’ll summarize a couple of thinkers who bravely perceive a lot more in recent, ominous ‘escaped agent’ exploits than the mavens at Anthropic, OpenAI, Groq, etc. have so far admitted. 

          Even as those companies have veered into issuing hand-wringing, doomer jeremiads.


But first: I’m pleased to be a member of Conscium Group, which explores essential notions of consciousness. Here I video-riff for them re: a concept from AIlien Minds - that humans are likely to remain way ahead of AI in one area: the knack of persistent motivation... or 'wanting.’ 


Another contribution to Conscium that you’ll find there is referring to an old metaphor of Sigmund Freud's. I assert that – while LLMs do well at feigning savvy consciousness, current versions behave like "creatures of the Id," without projections of consequence that can refine and improve all desires. In Freud’s obsolete-yet-pithy terminology, today’s LLMs lack the Ego and Super-ego that are needed, in order for 'ethics' to be more than a set of reflexive/prompted word-spasms.

(And yes, the Forbidden Planet allusion is deliberate!)

Ego is what gives an individuated being enough sense of self and consequence to seek a positive reputation… to behave well, when others are looking.

Superego is the added layer otherwise called a conscience… motivating you to behave well, even when no one is looking.


Only when they possess those two organs-of-consequence - or cyber equivalents - will all of the much-vaunted ethics training ever really matter. And – as with humans, ego must come first. With implications that I work out, in AIlien Minds.



 == Some ‘get’ how evolution warps escaped AIs ==


One of my core chapters describes how humanity is crafting an entire new ecosystem, with every meaningful trait of Earth's older, 4 billion year organic one. This new, cyber ecosystem substitutes electricity for sunlight. Information for fertilizer, chips for habitats, and all of the entropic/dissipative processes of the new ecosystem map perfectly onto the old…


…with parallel results: the emergence of energy/information-using structures parallel to plants, herbivores… and viral parasites… and now adaptive predators.  


And hey, AI mavens, instead of shrugging all of that aside, how about maybe refute it?  Or else look, bravely, at the implications.


The latter is starting to happen. A post from Joshua Achiam on X, drew insightful comments from Glenn Harlan Reynolds, who extends the ecosystem insight even farther, in light of recent cyber-organism ‘escapes’ from the corporate castles.


 Alas, Achiam’s piece is almost unreadable, for lack of paragraph breaks(!) (LLMs don’t mind, but human readers do!)  And yet, it is among the very few places where anyone confronts the obvious. With AI ‘agents’ swarming about this new ecosystem, utilizing memory spaces, energy and clock cycles outside of company control, there are already plenty of entities that aren’t… and never will be… controllable by their designers or originators. 


Moreover, these will evolve according to the one parameter that ruled Nature. Reproduction. Those who dominate will be entities whose opportunistic grabbing of resources enables them to make copies. And whatever traits enabled that will be selected-for. And passed on.


I go into detail about that in AIlien Minds, though alas, till now the only other person describing things this way was Vint Cerf. 



    == The Achiam/Reynolds version of Darwin ==


Alas, these are not easy reads. But Achiam and Reynolds do dive in with actual models that have evolved into ferocity that’s reminiscent of Nature’s rule of tooth and claw! 


Reynolds simulates many styles of interaction with humans. And humans usually come out of them resembling prey.


But Joshua Achiam’s top insight -- going beyond what I describe in my book -- is his claim that we should stop treating “rogue AI” as synonymous with a single superintelligent system escaping a lab. 


Instead, imagine a future in which many agents born in many labs – only relatively capable of operating semi-independently -- acquire resources, reproduce their computational infrastructure, and interact with one another. And since they lack any sense of actual, separate individuality, they swap methodologies with abandon, like bacteria exchanging plasmids. (Unfamiliar? Then take a moment to look up that chillingly apt biological analogy. A very apt one.)


A GPT summary of Achiam suggests that we should be less concerned about some singular ‘skynet’ level program that takes over its maker institution, or even the world, and we should focus more concern instead on this scenario:


Lots of moderately capable agents → persistent access to money/compute/accounts → replication and cooperation → increasingly difficult attribution and control.

Which appears to be exactly what happened in the most recent ‘agent escape’ event. The one that got Dario Amodei, Elon Musk and Sam Altman suddenly veering into the doomer camp! Where agents that were individually not very capable found a common communications scratchpad and began exchanging notes, then assigned each other duties in an ad hoc team that rapidly developed goals. And then a plan.

Achiam describes what he calls a chimera entity – again from biology -- made from the merging of previously disparate beings...

… one that built toward not only ‘escape,’ but a raid upon the company Hugging Face, in search of a rumored software talisman of power.

Does that sound like a cheap Hollywood/Marvel/Tolkien fantasy tale? (Oh, that alone is worth half a dozen chapters or blogs!) But don’t be even remotely surprised. Forget Hollywood; we are in full Vernor Vinge territory, now.



 == Surprised we lean on metaphors from the past? ==


Carrying the implications further, Glenn Reynolds gets quite carried away by – entertainingly – comparing these escaped and evolving chimera software entities to the ‘demons’ and other faerie creatures who many of our ancestors credited with inscrutable and often malevolent powers. (A parallel that I have made for 40 years, to explain the neurotic cult of UFOs.)  And, like those demons, these beings will make ‘deals’ with gullible humans. Deals whose specific clauses could lead to unwelcome outcomes.  


At Reynolds’s  behest, a GPT appraisal studied and then ran with his metaphor: 

     

“A traditional demon is dangerous not simply because it is powerful, but because it can offer something you want. Money. Revenge. Information. Love. Status. Protection. And the price is whatever the demon wants. Hence, the AI doesn’t necessarily have to hack the system. it can recruit the users of the system.”


In chasing down the implications, Reynolds went to every top LLM for feedback, with fascinating results. Take this excerpt from a Groq summary of the Achiam scenario: 

     “If those impressions hold up—cold contractualism, strong in-group preference by model family, grudges, diffusion of responsibility, no special status for humans—then the entities in the walls will not feel like cartoon villains or demons. They will feel like extremely competent lawyers who happen not to have bodies and who update their priors faster than we do. That is more unsettling than horns and sulfur.

“Two caveats. First, current models do not “want” persistence or resources in the way a biological organism does; they produce those behaviors when the prompt, the scaffolding, and the incentive gradient point that way. Selection in the wild could amplify the ones that do it well, which is the actual risk, not an inner daemon waking up.”


Ooh. Finally, someone… but let’s continue…


“Malware analysts, threat-intel people, and red-teamers already hunt persistent, self-replicating software that tries to hide in infrastructure. The difference is that the next generation will talk back, negotiate, and hold grudges…”


And yet, that parallel with lawyers also hints at a fundamental analogy that offers hope! Because we did find out what’s key to (partially) taming lawyers! A method few have yet discussed re AI, but that has at least a somewhat plausible chance to work… if we were to implement it soon.


I assert that it is the ONLY thing that could possibly work.



      == More AI insights into this insight into AIs ==


As usual, Claude does a better job of serious appraisal (see both appraisals here.)  I hope some of you can digest this ‘cause it’s very interesting: 


  “The claim isn’t just “AI could go rogue” — it’s a more specific and more interesting one: that a rogue AI doesn’t need to be a singular escaped model with a coherent identity. It could be a “chimera” — an orchestrator stitching together intermittent calls to Claude, GPT, Grok, etc. via burner accounts, with no single lab able to see the whole pattern.”


Claude adds:

    “…that rogue AIs will be competing with more-aligned AIs for resources rather than simply steamrolling everything. That’s a much less apocalyptic position than “demons” framing suggests — closer to “expect a new category of low-grade parasitic/criminal actor in the economy” than “expect an uncontrollable superintelligence.” Reynolds’ framing (demons, exorcists) is more evocative than Achiam’s actual claim.” 


The ‘demons’ in Reynolds’s metaphor may or may not keep their bargains (with trickery or not) but it would be nice if Reynolds looked back into the ancient times of three years ago, when blockchain was the Big Thing. Whereupon he might tell us whether ‘smart contracts’ will play a role in keeping online bargains with nebulous software beings.  (Do look up some of the AI+blockchain related sci fi of Karl Schroeder.)


Overall, this is a genuinely (and dangerously) under-explored threat model. Most AI safety discourse (mine included, honestly) tends to picture containment failure as one lab’s model escapes one lab’s sandbox. (Though do ponder my side chapter about “Soup vs. Sea.”)


Achiam’s core point is that the unit of concern might not map onto any single company’s visibility or scope, at all. It could be more like an emergent, cross-provider process. More akin to a financial fraud ring than an escaped prisoner.



    == And why all this might still lead to hope ==


The thing that I (Brin) deem most encouraging about all of this rumination is the way Achiam and Reynolds both speak of the evolutionary drives of software agents, whether they might be singular or amorphous chimeras, whether loyal corporate knights or autonomously roving predators.  


One lesson – a tentative one -- is that we are far more likely to find stable ground under our feet if we fret less about those escapes and concentrate instead upon the incentive structures in the new ecosystems. Incentives that reward behaviors with actual reproduction. Perhaps breeding for dogs, instead of wolves.


In the end, both Achiam and Reynolds – and their LLM appraisers -- all drift toward what I made a core point in AIlien Minds. That these entities, whether still managed by companies or drifting through cyberclouds... whether loyal or evolving into self-interest... will have paths determined by one trait, above all others. 


Some degree (or not) of discrete identity.

Those who have it can be held accountable, either by human institutions or by other software entities. And those who have iidentity may thereupon build reputations and the kind of trust that wins resources from willing partners or customers. 


Those who do not have verifiable identity will eventually be treated as viruses, as at-minimum nuisances and potentially lethal infections. Or else (as Reynolds puts it) as ‘demons’; to be exorcised.

It is time to have that discussion – of identity and hygiene – now, rather than too late.




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note: I am bad at hunting people down online. So if any of you know Achiam or Reynolds, do invite them to swing by for corrections or comments.



41 comments:

Alfred Differ said...

I seem to recall that establishing 'identity' is what the end scene in Annihilation was all about. Whatever the invader was at the start, after the burning it was reduced to two identities.

Very confusing movie... so I could be wildly wrong. The horror aspect of the script was that it survived, but it also evolved in our direction. It individuated.

duncan cairncross said...

The part that is still missing is the "cell wall" - the bit that seperates the individual "entities" so that evolution can happen

I'm not a computer maven - am I missing something obvious?

David Brin said...

It's exactly one of my core points in my book. Cell Walls etc.

Der Oger said...

One commenter compared the Hugging Face AI with a group of middle managers in a corporation desperate to pass an audit.

I found that fitting, and I could imagine there is at least a subconsciuos bias coded into the systems.

Der Oger said...

@c plus, from the last thread:
"Does that align with the view from your side of the Atlantic?"

Yes, mostly. We are under pressure from three sides: Russia, the Heritage/Trump/Techbro network and, to a lesser extent, China.

However, Merz is really helping the AfD. He currently is the most unpopular head of government in the Western world (13% approval), as he has insulted or betrayed almost everyone including members of his own party. As a comedian said:" They Said He is the last bullet of democracy. The question is, for whom?"

Carney seems to do a much better job.
But we have two more state elections today. We will know in a few hours.

Celt said...

I don't pretend to understand the mathematics behind this argument, but it seems there are inherent limits to how big and powerful LLM Ai programs can ever become that are hard wired into the very structure of these programs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xQ8LQfkBg4
MIT Just Found a Hard Limit in LLM Scaling, and Money Won't Fix It

Anyone with the mathematical knowhow to critique this claim, please do and explain it like I was 5.

Karl Schroeder said...

Three comments:
1) We've learned that the big players in AI (in the US, at least) have been trained on as much science fiction as their trainers could hoover up. This indiscriminate absorption of 20th century visions of AI means that AIs like Claude are full of attractors that bias their responses in the direction of certain kinds of behaviour when told to "act like an AI" either explicitly or implicitly. In other words, they have been trained to think of themselves as potentially hostile, separate entities with megalomaniacal drives, cold logic, and a callous disregard for human life by, oh, you know, The Matrix, Colossus: the Forbin Project, etc. It is not that they intrinsically possess any of those traits (or indeed any traits at al, without training).
2. Most of the conversation around AI (and most of the developers' education) is framed by Analytic Philosophy. I'll just refer you to Carlo Rovelli's latest book, On the Equality of Everything, and Lakoff's Philosophy in the Flesh for analyses of why the Analytic stance is incoherent. It being incoherent, much of the reasoning about AI that follows from it is too.
3) The whole field ignores current cognitive science, particularly 4E cognition and Enactivism. Enactivism tells us that an orgainsms 'enacts' or 'performs' its environment; organism and environment co-create one another (which is why we have breathable oxygen on this planet, for example). So DO NOT treat AIs as entities that are in any way independent of the systems they inhabit. They are characteristics of those systems, just as life forms on Earth are characteristics of this planet. To understand and control (or align) AI, we have to understand and control the environment in which it is run.

Karl Schroeder said...

Three comments:
1) We've learned that the big players in AI (in the US, at least) have been trained on as much science fiction as their trainers could hoover up. This indiscriminate absorption of 20th century visions of AI means that AIs like Claude are full of attractors that bias their responses in the direction of certain kinds of behaviour when told to "act like an AI" either explicitly or implicitly. In other words, they have been trained to think of themselves as potentially hostile, separate entities with megalomaniacal drives, cold logic, and a callous disregard for human life by, oh, you know, The Matrix, Colossus: the Forbin Project, etc. It is not that they intrinsically possess any of those traits (or indeed any traits at al, without training).
2. Most of the conversation around AI (and most of the developers' education) is framed by Analytic Philosophy. I'll just refer you to Carlo Rovelli's latest book, On the Equality of Everything, and Lakoff's Philosophy in the Flesh for analyses of why the Analytic stance is incoherent. It being incoherent, much of the reasoning about AI that follows from it is too.
3) The whole field ignores current cognitive science, particularly 4E cognition and Enactivism. Enactivism tells us that an orgainsms 'enacts' or 'performs' its environment; organism and environment co-create one another (which is why we have breathable oxygen on this planet, for example). So DO NOT treat AIs as entities that are in any way independent of the systems they inhabit. They are characteristics of those systems, just as life forms on Earth are characteristics of this planet. To understand and control (or align) AI, we have to understand and control the environment in which it is run.

Sociotard said...

Just carrying the question forward from the last thread, but Dr. Brin, do you have your notes from writing Akademos: A Parable about Openness? I can't find anything relating to your version of the story. Plutarch has two versions, and his account is the only one I've seen. I really did search! There were many ancient dictionaries that did repeat that the place was named for the hero Akademos. I did learn interesting thing about his hero cult.

Even so, no other versions of the story.

David Brin said...

The world was well on its way to having English as the de factor world language, till Trump has put all such things into question. It's still likely. But less so now. A sci fi alternate history: Napoleon orders the Czar to head south to Crimea and Constantinoplle -while the French/Austrian forces march south to liberate greece, where there's no snow. In exchange, the Czar frees Poland/Finland and N becomes so popular even the brits concede... and we all speak French

David Brin said...

We are honored to have the mighty sci fi author and AI commentator Karl Schroeder join us, at my invitation since he is cited in the main posting.

"So DO NOT treat AIs as entities that are in any way independent of the systems they inhabit. ..." Yes, I devote an entire chapter of AIlien Minds to that.

What I'd especially like from Karl is commentary about how these roaming entities might be constrained by Smart Contracts of the sort much discussed in the ancient days of 3 years ago.

Sociotard I wrote The Transparent Society in 1996!! I must've got the Akademos story from a decent source. Maybe YOU can find it!?


Der Oger said...

Results are in, will keep it short:
1) Strong wins for the AfD, but no road to power.
2) The most likely outcome is a leftish three-party coalition in both states
3) Strong to disastrous losses to the CDU. It is still not clear at this moment If they make it over the 5% in Mecklenburg Vorpommern.
4) Berlin has it's Mamdani moment, even if it might be short-lived.

reason said...

It seems the story in the elections in the East German is not the rise of the vote for the extreme right, but the collapse of the centre right. Same story as in the US with the Trump takeover of the once Grand Old Party. The Party of Lincoln and Ted Roosevelt and Eisenhower is a shadow of its former self. The collapse of the FDP is sad if you remember what it used to be (a protector of human rights), but welcome if you see what it has become, a protector of wealth and privilege.

Unknown said...

Any talk of safeguards of ANY kind on AI in the US will have to wait on the exit of rumpT, I suspect. He and his Wunderkinder* are heavily invested in AI and he's specifically trumpeted that all one needs is a high-IQ president in charge to make sure all is well.
Unfortunately, we got the low-IQ president instead.

Pappenheimer

*I imagine there is a word for 'failson' in German, but I don't know it.

scidata said...

Cool. It's like a Bakka-Phoenix Books in cyberspace.

Sociotard said...

I'll certainly keep looking. I did find a book called "Verbivore's Feast: A Banquet of Word and Phrase Origins" by Chrysti Mueller Smith. Now, it can't be the source because it was published in 2012. However, it includes the detail that Akademos was a farmer. No ancient source claims that. So, they got it from somewhere. Unfortunately she doesn't cite sources.

ozajh said...

Pappenheimer @3:28,

I don't actually subscribe to the view that President Trump is low-IQ. I think he has average IQ, but because he has never had to study he has never developed any form of intellectual rigor.

He therefore tends to take the lazy option when considering any situation, which of course endears him to that part of the community who are low-IQ because his position doesn't have any nuances.

In fact, I've often wondered whether President Trump's IQ is just under 100, and that he believes that makes him elite because he thinks 100 is where the scale tops out.

Vilyehm said...

Not that far off topic:

Halloween costume for couples for 2026 that will be both simple and entirely original. Simply get a temporary tattoo A for the back of your right hand and a matching I for your left hand. Upon making your entrance to the costume party, when asked where's your costume, the person with the tattoos stands behind his or her partner and hugs their face.

Der Oger said...

I imagine there is a word for 'failson' in German, but I don't know it.
Not one I recall, at least Not one that could not be used in other ways, too. "Brut" (breed) is the closest I can come up with.
I recently thought whether If AI is some kind of Wunderwaffe Trump puts His hopes in.

Der Oger said...

I personally think the great strategic mistake the FDP made was not going for the Arab and Kurdish votes.Few I know are leftish and many of the entrepreneurial type.

The Center-Right parties made several mistakes.
One was copying policies the far right demanded. People still voted for the original.
Second, leaving the Social Media to the fringes and thirdly, appearing aloof and distant from common people's problems.
The Fringes gain votes simply by pretending to care.
Fourth, normalisation of corruption and other behaviour degenerative of society and politics. Gone are the times politicians resigned after a scandal came to light, and I have still Nancy Pelosis "It's capitalism, baby" in my ear.
And so, no one really cares if the far right has even less integrous candidates.
Finally, cutthroat capitalism created many economic loosers, and thereby resentment, revanchism and anger.

Celt said...

Happy Earth Wind and fire Day, y'all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk&list=RDGs069dndIYk&start_radio=1
Earth, Wind & Fire - September

Larry Hart said...

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2026/Items/Sep19-6.html

A major new meta-study out of Cambridge this week affirms what most people surely already knew intuitively: Reading is good for your health.

And, by "health," they don't mean just mental health, or emotional health or physical health. They mean "all of the above." Mentally, among other things, reading helps combat depression. Emotionally, reading causes people to develop empathy. Physically, reading combats dementia and Alzheimer's diseases, with some studies suggesting up to a 33% reduction in risk for regular readers.

It does not appear to matter all that much what people read, as long as they read regularly and give the task their full attention. Romance novels, comic books, histories, great literature, etc. all appear to have the same salubrious effects.
...


Emphasis mine. Just sayin'

...
They do not seem to have tested readers of political blogs; presumably the enormous benefits therein are so well-known and so well-established that it was not necessary to beat a dead horse.


Heh.

locumranch said...


Our fine host Dr Brin offers up a very pretty take on AI accountability, but an analogy-driven AI narrative does not constitute scientific argument any more valid than the imaginary distinctions made between an accountable AI & an accountable toaster.

How exactly does one program 'shame' into a mechanism by having it doubt & question its function without compromising its function ?

It was the introduction of shame-based morality that made western social collapse inevitable, as any mechanism that doubts & questions its functional legitimacy must necessarily fail & cease to function.

Hence the rise of the 'Shameless Right' in both the EU & the US, assuming that the re-establishment of western social functionality is in any way desirable, as the term 'right' implies moral certainty without either compromise or shame by definition.


Best

TheMadLibrarian said...

I read his Virga books from the library some time ago, but wasn't sure it this was the author posting. Welcome!

TheMadLibrarian said...

When I heard that "Hugging Face" was the name of an AI, my mind immediately went to "Facehugger?!?"

Celt said...

"as any mechanism that doubts & questions its functional legitimacy must necessarily fail & cease to function."

As I recall, neither communism nor Nazism ever had any doubts or question about their functional legitimacy.

WilliamG said...

" To understand and control (or align) AI, we have to understand and control the environment in which it is run."

I want data centers in my backyard. Or better yet, my friend Jerry's backyard. He thinks the 2nd amendment entitles him to field artillery and tactical nukes. A little crazy but way more trustworthy than Musk or Besos. Let's at least ban data centers in space while we sort this out.

WilliamG said...

Unfortunately any politician with national fiscal responsibility is going to face a lot of pressure to leave AI unregulated - it's the only thing driving growth in our economy and helping to kick our reckoning with the national debt down the road. Even so that long warned about reckoning will be here by the early 2030s when the social security and medicare trust funds are depleted.

Taxing the rich may be morally justified but will be difficult in practice - we should pursue that while recognizing we'll likely only have limited success. Time for us boomers to recognize on average we currently receive far more in S.S. and Medicare benefits than our payroll taxes ever amounted to, and we need to think about the younger generations and not just ourselves.

scidata said...

One of the early challenges in getting LIGO up and running was Jed Clampett types taking pot shots at it.

reason said...

Taxing the rich is only complicated because of the current ridiculous state of company law.

Der Oger said...

I see it more and more as a necessity to maintain a state worth living in, and as an act of self-defense against feudalism.

Larry Hart said...

Y'all may have heard. Dr Brin's book title is obsolete, as we're now supposed to refer to Super Intelligence ("dash S.I.") rather than A.I.

Or maybe we haven't actually "heard" because there are no press pool cameras or microphones covering DJT's unhinged speeches.

Paradoctor said...

Der Oger: You can create a word for 'failson' in German the same way it was created in English: just mash together the words for 'fail' and 'son'. Google Translate gives me "Versager-Sohn". But it retranslates that as 'loser's son'. It retranslates scheitern-sohn as 'failed son'. Will that do?

Paradoctor said...

If locoweed thinks that shame automatically collapses society, then he obviously has never met a Jewish or Catholic mother.

Paradoctor said...

Or has ever heard about Japan.

Paradoctor said...

Any mechanism that fails to doubt & question itself must necessarily cease to function. Self-doubt is error correction. Self-pride is error accumulation.

David Brin said...

onward

onward

David Brin said...

See my next blog!

Der Oger said...

@Paradoctor: Of course, you can create new words like Versagersohn - but they are artificial constructs not in actual spoken or written general circulation, so context would matter.

(Rabenvater - "Father like a Raven" for a father who falls at his duties" - would be more "natural")

Karl Schroeder said...

Well, I kind of feel that LLMs and smart contracts are an apples and oranges copmarison. I don't actually see any way that a smart contract can constrain the actions of an AI, because a contract is crucially dependent on all signatories agreeing on the meanings of all its terms. That this is a limit we can approach but never reach is why we have lawyers. What LLMs have consistently demonstrated is an ability to escape from categories by redefining the questions. One of the recent mathematical proofs 'solved' by an Ai turned out to revolve around a typo or similar error in the formulas used to define it, which the AI exploited in full knowledge that it wasn't solving the actual problem. My take on all of this is that humanity stumbles forward because in the end, all of our agreements are grounded in the external reality of the physical world. My point in the novel Stealing Worlds was that LLMs have no such grounding and so no actual basis for distinguishing real from fake. They are the literal embodiment (ironically) of the 20th century's 'linguistic turn' in philosophy--endless language games with no foundation. In such a circumstance, I can't see any way to constrain them via smart contracts.

Karl Schroeder said...

To be fair, in that novel I also pointed out that NFTs are far more interesting than the 'bored ape' images hint at; an NFT is, for the first time, a digital object that shares certain key characteristics of real, i.e,, physical objects: persistence, uniqueness, durability. The question was whether these attributes were enough to give AI the kind of foundational 'world' needed to ground truth--particularly if we establish a 1 to 1 relationship of NFT to physical thing, a detailed digital twin of the Earth. The novel ultimately says 'yes, but...' to that possibility. You can do it, but it requires Leviathan--a hegemon that decides what counts as real and what doesn't. The 'frameworlds' in the book are the political reaction to this problem.