Friday, August 08, 2025

A debate about saving democracy, that will likely (needlessly) be lost

As Robert Heinlein's predictions keep coming true... (e.g. "crazy years" followed by oppressive theocracy)... I hear more formerly moderate/accommodating friends  refer to the scenario in Heinlein's REVOLT IN 2100 as the only likely way that decency, honor and sapience can ever be restored to the Republic.

And so... a press release of genuine importance: 

"On September 4 in New York and streaming online, Open to Debate hosts: “Should the U.S. Be Ruled by a CEO Dictator?” An 
idea gaining traction in some partisan circles and embraced by some high-profile Silicon Valley figures. Championed by
 Curtis Yarvin, self-described neo-monarchist and founder of "Dark Enlightenment," claiming that democracy has failed and is too slow to meet today’s challenges. The Dictator CEO he proposes, would cut through red tape, challenge institutions and deliver efficiencies.

"Glen Weyl, will argue NO. Consolidating power under a single leader undermines core values of democracy fundamental to America’s political system. History is also filled with examples of autocratic leadership leading to economic ruin and catastrophic decision-making. American democracy might be messy, but let’s focus on making it better, not abandoning it.

"The debate will be held on Thursday, September 4 at 7:00 PM ET at Racket NYC and stream live online." (Someone do a search and offer links in comments?)


== A needed debate -- and a likely disaster ==

Okay, I knew Yarvin when he was a fringe online harasser scampering for attention as "Mencius Moldbug." He was a jibbering ingrate then, howling that 'incels' -- or 'involuntarily celibate' white men -- should be given women of their choice, in order to slake their appetites.  This core motivation serves today, as he suborns rich males by invoking implicit - or even explicit - images of Harems for the Deserving. 

I do not exaggerate any of that, even slightly! Indeed, I've elsewhere dissected this disease and its most pustulatory Yarvin excrescence. See a tomographic scan of this would-be Machiavelli.

Alas, I doubt that Glen Weyl - for all his good intentions and passion at defending the Democratic Enlightenment - will do much more that fall into Yarvin's many traps, providing this neo-Goebbels with a platform, incrementally building his following.  Above all, Weyl should not depend upon defending democracy as 'good' or embodying 'fundamental values.' That approach will only be persuasive to those who already support the moral argument. (As I do.)  

Many will be drawn by romantic visions of glorious rightful kings and chosen-ones -- notions spread not just by Arthurian legends, but relentlessly by Hollywood, via Tolkien's Aragorn or Dune's Atreides or Jedi demigods and their ilk.  These folks will nod in 'sad realism' as Yarvin denounces 'mob rule,' and calls for iron fisted stability. They shrug off appeals to democratic ideals and rights as sappy naĩvete. 

Others, who have fallen under the spell of cyclical history -- e.g. the cult of the Fourth Turning -- will accept dictatorship under the assumption that it's only a 'temporary' manifestation of a Time of Heroes -- til democracy can resume under a less decadent generation. Either way, these romantic incantation spells are immune to rebuttal. Both variants are perfectly adept at shrugging off moral defenses of citizen sovereignty.

There is one takedown that works! And that is to cite practical outcomes. 

Demand (as I have done, many times) that Yarvin name even a single kingship -- amid 6000 years of pervasive feudalism by inheritance brats and across five continents -- that ever had a continuous period of spectacular progress and accomplishment like America's recent 25 decades!

Indeed, tally the sum accomplishments of ALL historic kingdoms -- combined! Does that total come close to matching the feats and deeds and wonders wrought by Americans in just a single human lifetime, since the WWII GI Bill Generation -- using Democratic tools and public investment and Rule of Law -- truly made America great?

Defy Yarvin to support his bald assertions of democracy's 'failure' by actually tabulating those compared accomplishments! Shouldn't ingrate yammerers demanding that we chuck out all the traits that gave them cushy lives bear some burden of proof?

Contrast our nation-of-opportunity vs. the stunning waste of talent that festered under feudalism, when rigged dominance by inheritance brats crushed social mobility. And thus, the best that any bright youngster might hope-for would be to follow his father's trade, amid cauterized ambition or hope! 

Show us any other era when a majority of kids were healthy and educated enough -- and fearlessly empowered -- to compete or cooperate fairly and to rise up by virtue of their merits and deeds, rather than inherited status? Empowered to take on elites with creative startups, for example? The one American trait that the world's inheritance brats are determined to expunge.

Ask about the Greatest Generation, so admired (in muzzy abstract) by today's gone-mad right. The GI Bill generation who built mighty universities and science and civil rights... and who admired one living human above all others, Franklin Roosevelt. 

And who next - in the 1950s - revered almost as much a fellow named Jonas Salk.

Demand that Moldbug address that word -- competition -- which liberals today use far too little, especially since Adam Smith was the true founder of their movement!* A word that used to be a talisman for conservatism, but that U.S. conservatives never mention at all, nowadays. A word describing the exact thing that kingship directly suppresses. A word that will be utterly gelded, should Yarvin's acolytes have their way.

Mention the only other times our way was tried... Periclean Athens and daVinci's Florence... early experiments whose accomplishments still shine across ages of darkness.

Or the fact that only democracy has ever penetrated the curtain of delusion and flattery that always... always... surrounds mighty rulers. Even geniuses like Napoleon. Indeed, the central purpose and benefit of democracy is to apply accountability even upon top elites. Allowing the best of them to notice their errors and correct them under the searing medicine of criticism.

This approach -- and not goody-two-shoes moralizing about 'fundamental values' -- should be the obvious core of any rebuttal. Alas, I have learned that the obvious is often not-so. 

We are in our nadir-equivalent of 1862, when an earlier phase of the same struggle seemed hopeless to the Union... until -- (may it happen soon!) -- we find generals who are willing to try new tactics. New ideas. And the power of maneuver, when humanity's future is on the line.


== Another sad case of giving in to gloom ==

I meant to stop there. But the gloom jeremiads roll on and on, helping no one. Take Chris Hedges' "Reign of Idiots".  


 "The idiots take over in the final days of crumbling civilizations. Idiot generals wage endless, unwinnable wars that bankrupt the nation. Idiot economists call for reducing taxes for the rich and cutting social service programs for the poor, and project economic growth on the basis of myth. Idiot industrialists poison the water, the soil and the air, slash jobs and depress wages. Idiot bankers gamble on self-created financial bubbles and impose crippling debt peonage on the citizens. Idiot journalists and public intellectuals pretend despotism is democracy. Idiot intelligence operatives orchestrate the overthrow of foreign governments to create lawless enclaves that give rise to enraged fanatics. Idiot professors, “experts” and “specialists” busy themselves with unintelligible jargon and arcane theory that buttresses the policies of the rulers. Idiot entertainers and producers create lurid spectacles of sex, gore and fantasy. There is a familiar checklist for extinction. We are ticking off every item on it."

 

Did you enjoy reading that? Shaking your head in sad resignation over the inevitable stoopidity of your fellow citizens? Did it occur to you that's what our enemies want from you?  

 

This rant-essay by Hedges begins by raving about idiocy without any irony over its own idiocy: 

"The idiots take over in the final days of crumbling civilizations....  

"There is a familiar checklist for extinction. We are ticking off every item on it."

 

Feh! And get bent, you perfect example of the thing you denounce! 

 

Never before in all of history has a nation had greater numbers - or a higher percentages - of wise and smart and knowing people. And not just at the maligned universities, or in the under-attack civil service, or our brilliant (but under-siege) officer corps, or in the streets. We have more (and higher percentages of) brilliant/wise folks than all other nations and societies across all of time... combined. 

 

Indeed, assailing and curbing and demoralizing all of the smart people is the shared goal of both MAGA lumpenprols and the world oligarchs who puppet them. Proving they are idiots, because it simply cannot succeed. 


What? Hey, oligarchs! Your plan is to intimidate and crush the hundred million smartest in society? The ones who know cyber, nano, nuclear, bio and all the rest?  That is your plan? Oh, you will not like us, when we finally get mad.

 

And yet, dopes like Chris Hedges yowl that it is working. It has to work. because you are all fooooools!



== May we find comfort and precedents in earlier, righteous victories ==


I'm reminded of a different phase of the recurring American Civil War, when (like today) the Union side needed... and then got... better generals. 

      Take, in particular, a moment - right after the Battle of the Wilderness - when Ulysses S. Grant heard his underlings whining about "What Bobby Lee is going to do to us next." 


Grant stood up and growled:


"STOP fretting about what Bobby Lee is gonna do to us. Start planning what we will do to Bobby Lee!"


There are a jillion fresh tactics we can use in this fight for civilization... like getting all the dems in GOP districts to re-register as Republicans, which would (for one thing) protect them from being purged out of the voter rolls. But also, it would truly screw up the radicals' Radicatization-via-Primary tactic. And weaken gerrymandering,


But in order to get started, we need first to stand up like confident women and men and reject idiocies like this "Reign of Idiots" bullshit whine. 


It contains some truths, sure, about the gang of criminal fools who have seized our institutions in their Project 2025 / KGB-planned putsch. And it's true that the polemical skills of Democrats could not possibly be worse.


But truths - out of context - can be lies. And Hedges's jeremiad could not have been better written by some Kremlin basement Goebbels, seeking to demoralize us. 

And fuck that, you tool of monsters.



== And finally... ==

Robert Reich assesses Newsom's proposal for voters to allow CA, OR and WA to re-gerrymander until Texas, Florida and N.Carolina stop. Blue voters in the west ENDED the foul crime years ago. But may be talked into temporary retaliation vs confederate cheaters.


Note, Red states are also planning to purge voter rolls! Tell all your friends to prevent being purged by RE-REGISTERING AS REPUBLICANS. Hold your nose and do it, as I did!


The only practical effects will be (1) to protect your voting rights and (2) let you vote in the only election that matters anymore in those states, the Republican primary.


See 1st comment below for how I have long proposed we deal with gerrymandering. But for now... it's over to you. Stand up.


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10 comments:

David Brin said...

As promised (and familiar to some of you).... Here's a proposed legal argument that demolishes the "Roberts Doctrine" that he concocted to protect gerrymandering. https://david-brin.medium.com/the-minimal-overlap-solution-to-gerrymandered-injustice-e535bbcdd6c

...and a more general deep-dive into this wretched crime: https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/gerrymandering1.html

Lloyd Flack said...

You left out the tendency of autocrats to only listen to what they find comfortable to believe. shown just a few days ago by Trump's sacking of the Commissioner of Labor Statistics. That never ends well.

David Brin said...

Thanks Lloyd. omission corrected!

Anyone notice that today LINDSEY GRAHAM once again spoke forcefully about how it's time for sane Republicans to find an 'offramp' from the treasonous Trumpian madness? He's tried to offramp many times and on each occasion retracted it, groveling, within a day. And I have said that only one thing could accomplish that. Yes, blackmail. And can anyone doubt, just looking at him, that it is the blatant thing going on?

And if he doesn't retract, this time? If he sticks to it?

Well, that can only mean LG has a defense of counter blackmail. That the GOP is now so overflowing with kompromat and proved blackmail that his own peccadillos seem small, by comparison. And he can now defy his puppetmasters to "do your worst! And you will pay."

David Brin said...

Huh. Can't find much about it online. So maybe the LG recantation was a single internet figment.. Alas.

Lloyd Flack said...

While I think you overestimate the prevalence of blackmail in the GOP I think the odds are in favour of Graham being compromised. The alternative is being a born toady. Actually I think both are true.

Alfred Differ said...

Not only did blue voters in CA help end gerrymandering here, but in taking the high road with riskier districts, we took away ammunition from red partisans and the safe districts where THEY face challenges only from their extremes.

A return to gerrymandering re-arms the CA GOP and will piss off many CA Dems. That is a stupid way to win the battle.

There there is the idiocy of believing the ends justify the means. They don't.

David Brin said...

Alfred is wise. Though Newsom's proposal is a very contingent and temporary shift.

I have given many reasons to believe blackmail is paramount. Very many, in fact, including likely Collins's and Murkowski's male relatives.

But #1 is my authorial ability to put myself into the shoes of villains. e.g. what would I do if I were (shudder) Trump and had been betrayed by 80%+ of my 1st admin's appointees?

1. No Adults.

2. Demand leverage! No one, not even a loyal shill, gets appointed without providing major leverage. And the best way to do that would be a visit to the back casita at Mara Lago next to a petting zoo.

The KGB provides expertise. The petting zoo or barnyard provides...

Larry Hart said...

A return to gerrymandering re-arms the CA GOP and will piss off many CA Dems.


That's another way this warfare is asymmetric. Republican gerrymandering doesn't piss off Texas Republicans.

You know Californians better than I do, but--serious question--do those Dem voters who encouraged non-partisan districting in the hope that it was a first step toward a national trend feel the same when they see the R's about to pull a fast one to keep their congressional majorities and thereby keep their Democratic congressmen powerless against a fascist takeover?


There there is the idiocy of believing the ends justify the means. They don't.


They do in some specific cases. The cliche easy example is that while lying is wrong, lying to Nazi soldiers about the Jews hidden in your attic is justified. A more nuanced example is that taking up arms against government authorities was justified in 1775. A more problematic example is my belief that guillotines are a justifiable response when all avenues of legal redress are foreclosed.

Der Oger said...

A more problematic example is my belief that guillotines are a justifiable response when all avenues of legal redress are foreclosed.
"If injustice becomes law, resistance becomes a duty."-Berthold Brecht.

Alfred Differ said...

Larry,

I'm sure there are many CA Dems who would. be willing to go tit for tat. That argument was used when we first considered the ballot measure that put an end to this cancer. The problem is there are many other CA Dems who would not AND we'd be arming the CA GOP'ers with a valid complaint that would peel away some blue voters. Not only is it a dumb solution here... it is what the bad guys WANT us to do in response.

I've never considered lying to be a blanket bad thing, so lying to Nazi's isn't an exception. Black and white belief systems are for children much like "See Spot Run. Run Spot run." gets used to teach them to read.

As for guillotines... well...

I'd much rather start shooting the bad guys than tolerate CA gerrymandering again. MUCH rather. I'm not going to suggest that here... but only because there are other options. If you find a TX Dem legislator in your neighborhood, I hope you'll consider hiding them from the FBI.