Friday, April 11, 2025

Twenty things about The Mess that no one has mentioned, so far. From tariffs to signalgate to DOGE to Houthis and...

I've been distracted by local vexations. But truly, it's time to weigh back into this era in America, that Robert Heinlein accurately forecast as The Crazy Years

This is a long one. But here are things you ought to know, that you've not seen in the news. Starting with...

 == The Tariff War ==

* Ninety-five years ago a Republican Congress passed the biggest tariff hike til Trump. Which even Republican economists now call the dumbest policy move ever. The thing that swerved a mere stock market downturn into the Great Depression. 

Want it explained in a way that's painfully funny? But sure. Some of you already knew that. 

Only have you considered how Trump's tariffs on China give Xi and the Beijing Politburo exactly what they want?

China's economy has been in decline for two years, with bad prospects ahead, especially for youth unemployment. The Tariff War will worsen things for millions of Chinese... but not for Xi!  What Xi gets out of this - personally - is someone to blame for China's already-underway recession! 

"It's all America's fault!"  Thus solidifying his own continued grip on power. He was already doing that, riling (unearned) anti-American fever. Only Trump now proves his case! While ensuring that the USA swirls down the same economic toilet. 

Always look at who benefits! So far it sure looks like Putin and Xi.

* Oh, and this... Want the biggest reason China's economy was already in decline? No one in media is touting that the USA was already experiencing a renaissance of manufacturing. 

HOW is that not a major part of the story? As a direct result of the 2021 Pelosi bills, investment in U.S. domestic factories skyrocketed!**   Shortening supply chains, reducing use of toxic ocean freighters and dependence on China. Only now, if it continues, Trump will claim "My tariffs did it!"

Because Democrats have the polemical skills of a tardigrade.

(Oh, and the USA has been energy independent and a net exporter of oil etc. since Obama. Care to bet? "Drill baby drill?" The Saudis are already scared. They won't allow it.)


== Want another aspect you hadn't considered? ==

* This nutty Tariff War will end the status of the US dollar as the world reserve currency

It is fast underway, as we speak. Long a fond goal of the Chinese politburo, along with Putin and the Saudis. All of them our close friends. Though even our actual allies won't trust the dollar anymore.

Take a look at what's happening with the dollar... and be proud. So proud.


== Might a Tariff Gambit have been done better?

By effectively banning Chinese imports to the U.S., Trump is sending commerce into chaos and prices skyward. Still, while it's totally dumb and risky, I suppose that a carefully selective tarrif tiff might have worked.  

If the aim was to replace China as our top supplier, it could have been done tactically, by favoring friendlier cheap-labor nations like Vietnam and Malaysia.  First, that would keep supply chains going. It would also help to solidify those nations as allies in opposing Beijing ambitions southward. And give US businesses a way to transition more gently.

Better yet... Mexico. 

While our southern neighbor has been fast transforming into a middle class nation - largely thanks to trade with the U.S. - it's still pretty cheap labor. Only with many added bonuses. First, as Mexicans become more prosperous, they buy a lot of stuff from the USA. Three dollars out of every ten that we spend on Mexican value-added goods - say in maquiladora parts-assembly plants - comes right back. 

Second, U.S. manufacturers will tell you they invest more in US factories when they can partner with Mexican ones. (Shall we wager over that assertion?)

(*Elsewhere I explain why turning Mexico middle class has been one of America's greatest accomplishments! I can prove it. For example, during all of the Right's ravings about illegal immigration, do you hear that it's Mexicans flooding the border? No you don't. The fraction of border-crashers who are Mexican citizens has been in steep decline for a decade. Increasingly, it's refugees from Central American right-wing caudillo regimes and so on. Because most Mexicans can now find decent work at home. Try actually tracking such things for yourself.)

Want another selective tariff that could have advanced U.S. interests? 

How about we use tariffs to pressure countries to stop buying Russian oil, till Putin withdraws from Ukraine? And punish countries like Panama and Gabon and all the other 'flags of convenience' till they stop shilling for Russian tankers that are evading sanctions and rusting into ecological time bombs? More generally, notice that Trump made no actual demands!

Instead? Notice that Russia was left out of any mention on Trumps list of a zillion super-tariffed nations. Why would that be?

Because while Don howls words occasionally toward Putin -- purely for show -- he never ever ever ever does any actual acts that negatively affect his Kremlin master. 

Ever.


== The distilled frothy essence atop the poop pile ==

I could go on about the Trump Tariff War. But of course it boils down to two things that should be plain to anyone. 

First: it's primarily the USA and our friends who will get harmed, but never our enemies...

... and second: it's all jibbering lunacy! Perp'd by a clown car of capering idiots. 

Dig it: during Trump v.1.0 (#45) he at least appointed a veneer of adults to top positions... then got pissed off when ALL of those adults (Tillerson, McMaster, Barr etc.) turned on him, denouncing him as a raving moron and Kremlin agent. 

The one absolute fact about Trump v 2.0 (#47) is the total absence of any adults in the room. 

None. Anywhere. Not one appointee who is actually suited or qualified for the job. Just toadies. Lickspittle and (my personal theory) blackmailed to ensure utter loyalty. See the pattern. Because no one in media - not even a single liberal pundit - is tracking the obvious.


== A few more things to notice ==

I was gonna do all the tariff stuff as 'blips' but there was no way to condense those complicated aspects. So, here are a few items that may qualify as 'blips':

SIGNAL GATE. Remember the Signal Idiocy? 

("Oh, Brin, that was so 'last week.'" Yeah yeah. Libs never notice that a core KGB/MAGA tactic is to distract from one scandal by moving on to the next one!)

Sure, liberal and moderate media did an okay job blaring at some aspects of the insipidly dumb "Signalgate" Scandal, wherein a dozen top Trumpian cabinet officials illegally used an non-secure, unvetted chat system to giggle-blather top secret information about a looming US military action against the Yemeni Houthi rebel enclave... while one member of the chat was even in a notoriously non-secure Moscow hotel, at that very moment! 

And of course, everyone in media shouted that our National Security Adviser invited a top-level critic/reporter into the chat without vetting nor any participant (not even the Director of National 'Intelligence') even noticing.   

Still and alas, as always, no one in either moderate or liberal media commented that:

1. Not a single military officer was part of the conversation about a major military operation. Sure, it's consistent with the all-out Republican campaign against the entire senior officer corps. The men and women who have been most dedicated to service and fact-centered responsibility. And competence! 

No, no, we can't have anyone like that in a conversation about a military operation. Some common sense might leak in and pollute the purity of blithering idiocy.

2. Um... but... WHY attack the Houthis? I am sure someone in media must have asked that, but I never saw it.  Indeed, the dumbitude aspects of "Signalgate" perfectly distracted from that bigger question.

Think about it. The Houthis are at war with the Saudis. And every Republican administration, without exception, does the bidding of the Saudi Royal House instantly and without question. Bush Sr., Bush Jr. and Trump. Good doggies.

But are WE served by enraging potential new bin Ladens into swearing revenge on America?

Sure, the Houthis are Shiite friends of Iran... and Iran is best buds with Putin. But then so are the Saudis... and so is Trump. Confused yet? Then look for the common thread. 

What they ALL want - and seek from Trump - is the fall of American liberal democracy. And any sign of a world governed by a transparent Rule of Law. 

Distilled in its essence, the Houthis are the least culpable party in any of this. All they want is to be left alone. Oh, their current leadership is likely a pack of radical jerks. But if a fair referendum were held, 90%+ of the population of North Yemen would vote for independence and peace and membership in the family of nations. 

Above all, do we really need more enemies, right now?


== And WHY the DOGE mass firings? ==

Ay Carumba!  I've seen NO ONE in media or politics even try to penetrate this question!

Dig it: The oligarchy and their foreign backers don't give a damn about the Department of Education. Or massive firings at the VA or Social Security, or Commerce or Agriculture or Parks and so on. There's no underlying goal of "efficiency." 

If they wanted that, they could have done it the way that Al Gore did with his massively effective efficiency campaign in the 90s.

No. All the slashed civil servants I just mentioned, and thousands more were attacked and their services to citizens cauterized for one reason. The same old reason that liberal and moderate pundits always fall-for. Distraction from the real targets.

1. I mentioned the United States senior military officer corps. The smart and savvy and dedicated generals and admirals must be brought to heel!

2. The FBI and all related law professionals. Um duh? But above all...

3. The Internal Revenue Service. The greatest accomplishment of the 2021 Pelosi bills was to fully fund the IRS, which had been starved by GOP Congresses into using 1970s computers and crippled for lack of personnel from auditing the super-rich tax cheaters... 

...cheaters who were left terrified by that legislation!  And I assert that the topmost reason they pushed hard for Donald Trump was to get this opportunity to re-gut the IRS.

And failure to even note or mention that aspect only proves my point about the moderate and liberal and Democrat political and punditry caste.  Oh, many of them are decent people, with far lower rates of every turpitude than their corrupt, perverted and blackmailed GOP counterparts...

...but smart? 

Tardigrades. Tardigrades all the way down.


== There's so much more... ==

...but no time or room for any more this weekend. 

Oh I am sure that some of the items I cite above were mistaken or cockeyed. But suffice it to say that those in media who failed to note any of them are proving to be almost as incompetent and blind as the fools who ran the Harris campaign and put us into this mess.

But YOU don't have to be blind!  

You can spread word about some of these things. Get others to see what has NOT been spoon-fed to them by simplistic media. And if you get any of the complicit dopes to put up wager stakes, I'll happily provide ways and means to take their money.

Heinlein had it right.  The way to ultimately emerge from The Crazy Years is to spread sanity.


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**The idiocy of Kamala Harris's advisers, for not emphasizing the return of U.S. manufacturing instead of just shouting "Abortion!" ten million times - disqualifies them from any future role in Democratic politics. Kamala herself was fine. Her political mavens should have no future role.


102 comments:

Paradoctor said...

About the wager tactic:

Many on these threads warn that the wager tactic won't work, or will backfire. I favor it for its entertainment value; for entertainment is a large part of politics, now and always.

Which means that you don't have to put the wager tactic to effect in reality! It would suffice to produce a media product that illustrates the wager tactic! Give the tale sufficient accuracy and drama, and it will have the desired political effect.

And that is exactly what you, Dr. Brin, are qualified to produce! So I modestly propose that you write up that story. Title: "Ya Wanna BET?!" Our hero challenges a smug demagogue with a wager; he sets up the vetting that you recommend, and when the target runs away, our hero taunts him: "Run away, run away, you chicken! BRAWWK buk-buk-buk BUCKAWW!"

You've thought about this, so you could write the story quickly. Make it fun to read, post it, and it will sway minds. Maybe someone will act on it.

Lloyd Flack said...

It might work at a public event. I think it would backfire in private conversations. And I think it would fail online. Which of these situations is it intended for? And even at a public event I can think of ways it could be turned against you.

Paradoctor said...

Yes, do it in public, televised, recorded. I recommend doing it first as fiction, as thought-experiment.

What can go wrong, as fiction or in reality? The tone police will tut-tut you. But who cares about the tone police? Not most voters.

Doug S. said...

The reason that the US is attacking the Houthis is pretty damn obvious: the Houthis have been attacking commercial shipping that passes through the Strait of Hormuz for over a year now, and the most recent attack isn't signficantly different from ones ordered by President Biden.

The US has been using its military to fight for freedom of the seas ever since Thomas Jefferson was President, when the US went to war with the Barbary Coast pirates. Similar maritime offenses were also the stated cause of the War of 1812 against England, and the use of unrestricted submarine warfare by Germany during World War 1, including the infamous sinking of the Lusitania, was a large part of the buildup to the United States eventually entering World War I against Germany. There aren't that many things that will get the US Navy sent after you, but attacking commercial shipping is one of them, and it has been for over two hundred years.

Treebeard said...

The even more obvious master that Trump serves, who wage massive, non-stop influence campaigns to swing elections, lobby leaders, cancel protestors and start wars, is of course Israel. Why attack the Houthis? Maybe because they are taking a strong pro-Palestinian stance and backing it up with missiles? Could it be that old lady Adelman, Israel-firster and Trump’s #1 backer, demands it? Why are pro-Palestinian protestors being cracked down on? The dastardly Russkies again? This constant hyper-ventilating about the Kremlin and the Saudis, without mentioning the tyrannosaurus in the room that openly subverts the American government is so telling, and so boomer. Everybody under 40 or 50 seems to get it; boomers like you—hopeless.

Lloyd Flack said...

Even in public " I don't care what you think." is likely to be an effective reply.

Larry Hart said...

This constant hyper-ventilating about the Kremlin and the Saudis, without mentioning the tyrannosaurus in the room...

These days, I can't keep the players straight. Netanyahu's Israel aligns with Putin's Russia and Saudi Arabia, even though Russia is aligned with Iran who is an enemy to both Israel and the Saudis. Even "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," doesn't explain the situation any more.

Larry Hart said...

Dr Brin in the main post:

As a direct result of the 2021 Pelosi bills, investment in U.S. domestic factories skyrocketed!** Shortening supply chains, reducing use of toxic ocean freighters and dependence on China. Only now, if it continues, Trump will claim "My tariffs did it!"

Because Democrats have the polemical skills of a tardigrade.


Liberals like me have been pushing the merits of the Biden economy and foreign policy through the entire renaissance of his presidency. The sad fact is that it doesn't matter. The overwhelming majority of Americans now get their sense of what's going on from right-wing tv, right-wing talk radio, and right-wing-dominant social media. And they live in a completely separate reality in which it is common knowledge and revealed truth that:

+ Unemployment under Biden was the worst in 50 years
+ Inflation was caused by out-of-control Democratic spending (never mind the rest of the world)
+ Hunter's laptop and Biden's classified documents were much worse than anything Trump did, and Trump was within his rights anyway
+ The phrase "Russia, Russia, Russia" is the final word on Trump's innocence in that matter
+ "Immigrant" equates to rapist and murderer

Any attempt to argue those (and many other) points with facts are dismissed out of hand the way you or I would dismiss anyone seriously trying to argue that the Earth is flat. They already know the truth, so any allegations of fact which contradict that truth are "fake news" off the bat.

They believe that everything under Biden was bad, and that even the same things (or worse) are now magically glorious because the occupant of the White House has changed. And while there are more of us then there are of them, they hold the reins of power in more states, and therefore in the federal government.

For all your Maher-like obsession with Abortion!, that issue was a political winner for Democrats whenever there was a separate vote on it, even in deeply red states. But voters seemed uninterested in protecting democracy or in the actual state of the economy.

So, how do Democrats fight against this alternate universe? Short of inventing a working time machine and starting an anti-FOX network 40 years ago, the only way I see it is for that alternate reality to run into hard reality on a metaphorical battlefield.

scidata said...

Thought takes effort. Laziness and civilization are incompatible.

"It is one thing to be democratic, quite another to be inconvenienced."
- Isaac Asimov, Forward the Foundation

Christian J. Schulte said...

It does seem Trump is running a real time experiment in how much dirt he can get his cult to eat. It’s easier to pretend things are bad when they’re actually okay than to pretend things are good when you’re reduced to squalor.

Larry Hart said...

Stonekettle loves Chicago.

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

Every time I've been to Chicago, down in the street in the crowd, literally EVERYONE is awesome. Happy, friendly, proud of their city. Full of life. The food is fucking GREAT, you pick any place at random and have an excellent meal. The street music. is amazing. I've never felt in danger or at risk. And again, literally everyone you meet is cool. Everyone.

David Brin said...

Little time today. But Treebeard is always an idiot. Even Fantasy Mossad could not gather the ocean of kompromat that the KGB clearly has on almost every Republican office holder. And the master-doggie relationship between the Saudis and EVERY GOP president is blatant. Fool.

Bu only a couple of you seem to 'get' even slightly what the wager challenge is about, though I have explained it over and over and over...

IT IS TO PREVENT CHANGING THE SUBJECT! The fave MAGA tactic when confronted by facts. "I am being cornered so... LOOK over there!!!"

Nailing a false narrative and pounding it with a clear outcome is how you end that. And wagers are one way, the simplest and most macho-effective. And none of you get it and I will have to explain that again and again and again...

Celt said...

I'm sorry Dr Brin, but nothing keeps MAGA from changing the subjects.

Treebeard said...

Yeah the KGB "clear has an ocean of kompromat"-- in your head. How about some actual evidence for these claim? The subversion I'm talking about happens out in the open, via groups like AIPAC, on a massive scale, to the tune of millions of dollars given to elected representatives and aggressive campaigns to cancel and defeat anyone Israel disapproves of. You want to see the GOP behave like doggies for a foreign leader, check out their grovelling when Netanyahu comes into town, or their attempts to make protesting Israel illegal. This is all clear and evident to everyone, not conspiracy theories of obvious Russophobes like yourself. But like I said, boomers like you are hopeless. Talk to anyone under 40, they get it immediately.

David Brin said...

Celt have you tried? What stunning bull. Sure, they'll change the subject - or try - after you make an explicit wager demand. And you can say "That's the FIFTH assertikon that you've made that I have offered to clearly refute with cash on thje line. And here are all five. And if ANY of my assertions are proved, then yours is a mad, blathering cult. And YOU are a raving, fox-teat-suckling coward."

ill that change the fool's mind? Well, it has in three cases with me. But mostly what a wager demand does is give cred to YOUR assertions. And it proves THAT they always flee from facts by changing the subject.

locumranch said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyMyyenz4gg

It's been less than 30 years since US Representative Nancy Pelosi demanded the imposition of substantial TARIFFS ON CHINA due to unfair trade practices (linked above), the reason being that the US Democrat Party once supported Trump-style trade barriers, border protections & immigration restrictions for its own Pro-Labour, Pro-Union & 'Buy American' political platform about which they sang songs:

Look for the union label
when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse.

Remember somewhere our union's sewing,
our wages going to feed the kids, and run the house.

We work hard, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the I.L.G. we're paying our way!

So always look for the union label,
it says we're able to make it in the U.S.A.!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-JPCXHQFg

Then, sometime over the last +20 years, a gender-confused US Democrat Party abandoned its blue collar working class voters and transitioned into the political party for Effete White Collar Marxist-Globalists, which is the main reason so many US Democrat voters now support an ever objectionable Donald Trump, as he appears to be the last man standing for old school US Democrat Party values.

At least according to the pre-alcoholic Nancy Pelosi, linked above.


Best
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"Biden Becomes Fourth U.S. President to Bomb Yemen" (January 12, 2024)

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1/12/yemen_strikes_houthis_red_sea_gaza

Weekend Editor said...

Anent the DOGE mass firings, and whether the targets reveal a purpose:

Political scientist Adam Bonica gathered some data on this subject, and I replicated his analysis (with slighlty different methods; details at link below). By looking at department size, budget, and left/right political rating by other government managers, one can tell what they're ACTUALLY going after (as opposed ot what they SAY they're going after).

If they go after big head counts, they're trying to reduce size.

If they go after big budgets, they're trying to save money.

If they go after ideological score, they're trying a political witch hunt.

I did a Fisher Exact Test, a biclustered heat map, logistic regression, and a Bayesian posterior Beta distribution. The conclusions are the same in each method, with very clear statistically significance and a large effect size.

They are NOT going after headcount or budget; they are on an ideological arson binge, burning down whatever they don't like.

https://www.someweekendreading.blog/trump-polit-targets/

scidata said...

I'll skip my usual Star Trek and WJCC-FORTH pontifications, and just note that the current nostalgia for the Rise of Western Civilization is rampant.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/12/epic-win-why-the-odyssey-is-having-a-moment

David Brin said...

Weekend thanks interesting ...and obvious. Yet, it ignore the other factors, like which blue constituencies can be hurt, like closing NASA Goddard in blue DC suburbs... AND the one that I give... maximizing distraction from the real targets, the IRS and FBI etc.

That is a version of the big category missed. Which clade of fired people were about to be very inconvenient to the masters? In other words, while that article stabs at an explanation, it is actually pretty lame. Just a star.

The Russia thing has been proved a thousand ways. Like seeking even once that Trump ever actually hurt any Putin interests (as opposed to potemkin blather).

Only dig it. You are a coward, Ent, well established, or you'd wager and take my money. All you are is a raving commie/Nazi (the same thing, now.) eserving only of zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Alfred Differ said...

Celt,

Not true… and very defeatist of you.

For example, try being a whimpering lib in front of them and they won’t change subjects.

Alfred Differ said...

Tony Fisk (from last thread)

Yah. I saw the details after I posted about NASA budget cuts. My point still remains.

I’ll add that this is also part of the typical SLS defense. They offer other sacrifices knowing groups like Planetary Society will step up to defend.

SLS also gets defense but looks MUCH more like corporate welfare when the defenders all look like defense contractors.

Alfred Differ said...

When it comes to “Why the Houthi’s” it is useful to know they are doing more than shooting at commercial shipping. They are also shooting at the USN. They aren’t using pea shooters or demonstrating a lack of training either.

There is a proxy war underway.

Hellerstein said...

"Facts don't care about what you don't care about."

David Brin said...

SLS will be defended by it's prime competitor, SpaceX, at least to get first 3 Artemis missions launched, by which point the 'starship' will be proved out and supposedly take over.. So, exactly 3 SLS is what Elon wants to happen and so it goes.

Dirtnapninja said...

Dr. Brin.....

I actually agree with you about his tariff plan

Now I am hardly a globalist, and I am not a fan of Biden, but Biden's chips plan was an actual industrial plan that was beginning to bear fruit.

Trump should be making strategic partnerships with chosen friendly nations to favor specific categories of products while tariffing those products from china to create a competitive advantage. In return those countries will agree to open markets to certain trading goods, but more important to buy large amounts of long term treasuries that can be applied to provide development and subsidies for strategic industries like machinery, shipbuilding and microchips

Instead we get a plan right out Southpark, a real Underpants Gnomes level of strategy

The plan:
Step1: Tariffs.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Jobs.

No plans for infrastructure, education, tax subsidies or partnerships to create a reliable supply chain.

I would also like to add what this has done to your northern neighbour. Canadians know exactly what his 25% tariffs are meant do..poach their auto industry (which builds 1.5 million vehicles a year has been in existence since 1904) and economically strangle it, while making deals with individual provinces in the hopes of breaking the country up.

David Brin said...

Bizarre times. Der Oger goes hyper nasty and nasty-dirtynappieturns toward reasoning with an open mind. Did I inhale too much smoke in our house fire? But the end and locum stay focused, so...

Lloyd Flack said...

Impressive. I only looked at it briefly, but it looks like you were using sound cautious approaches. I'd have used similar but probably not identical methods. Using multiple valid methods usually gives you similar results. Everything points towards your being right.

Alan Brooks said...

Wagers are to show that one means Business.

Treebeard said...

How are you gonna wager about the KGB blackmailing Republicans when there’s no direct evidence available? Just repeating it over and over, insisting that it’s "been proved a thousand ways" isn’t that convincing. That’s the problem with your wager tactic: most political disagreements aren’t about matters of fact that can be proven, but about preference, prejudice, fear, speculation, etc. Even if facts could be proven, interpretations of those facts will be different. So I don’t see how it’s a practical way to settle political debates. In fact it’s just more politics, as you make clear by emphasizing its tactical use for partisan purposes.

Lloyd Flack said...

Who among those fired were going to be inconvenient might well be a better predictor of firing than those looked at. But there needs to be a quantitative or categorical measure of inconvenience before it can be used in a statistical analysis. I don't think anyone has created one yet. And such a measure has to be objective and not just an expression of its creators' preconceptions. Thus it would be a fair bit of work to create and justify it. The analysis used information that was immediately available. What you suggest is worth doing but couldn't be done immediately.

duncan cairncross said...

Treebeard is a pain - but in this he is correct - you cannot convince people who will NOT agree with your facts - and the MAGA lot will simply ignore anything that does not fit their worldview
Think of them as flat earthers - no matter what you do they won't change

scidata said...

I don't think the goal is to change their world view. It's simply to expose them as weenies.

Larry Hart said...

...to expose them as weenies.

But again, expose them how? If their entire FOX-brainwashed community takes for granted that, say, the Biden economy was the worst in 50 years, what are you going to bet on? Any facts presented which argue otherwise will be dismissed, not just by the one person but by those looking over his shoulder, as "fake news". And any authority who rules in your favor on the bet would be dismissed as biased.

I'm reminded of a scene from The West Wing in which President Bartlett is admiring a historical map of the Middle East from the 17-aught-aughts. Toby Ziegler tells him he can't display that map in the Oval Office because it doesn't recognize Israel. Bartlett says of course it doesn't, because the state of Israel didn't exist in the 1700s. Toby acknowledges that, but says he still can't display the map. Bartlett asks why. "Because it doesn't recognize Israel."

It would be the same with the MAGAts. You can't win a bet against Biden's economy being terrible. But his unemployment numbers were the best in 50 years. "Fake statistics cooked up by Biden's government." How do you know that? "Because it doesn't recognize that Biden's economy was terrible."

David Brin said...

NASA’s science budget will be cut in half. Total NASA budget will be slashed by 20%. Especially pounded are climate, atmospheric and marine mammal science. Not yet mentioned is any cut in the lavishly wasteful SLS…. A mixed bag for Elon. Laying off 10,000 people at NASA Goddard sabotages every astrophysics mission while giving the GOP a double bennie by hurting blue voting counties near DC.

The Bushites were less blatant, sabotaging climate science satellites, for example. This? This is exactly the opening chapters of the Three Body Problem. A malignant force wants to prevent human advancement so alien takeover will be easier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHIgJAoSzTk

Ent's question is real. Blackmail is obvious by circumstantial evidence a mountain high, but can't be proved - by me. Though I offered Biden a way to nail it down. But the Russia thing in general? Name ONE time when a major Kremlin or Saudi interest was thwarted by a Republican action.

scidata said...

Private and citizen science might be able to take up a lot of the slack, provided they can procure cheap launch services. Musk is on record as being pro-science.

TheMadLibrarian said...

And as payback for the National Archives firing the opening salvo against Trump's march to the sea, he is gutting the Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS) for having the temerity to encourage people to think. The Smithsonian Institute is preparing for siege warfare from the administration. The ALA is doing what they can, but who listens to a bunch of egghead shushing librarians?
https://www.ala.org/advocacy/show-up-for-our-libraries

Alan Brooks said...

Spies would have been fired long ago if they hadn’t gotten compromising material.

Partisan purposes? The Constitution is as much about encouraging factions as it is about almost anything else.
We’re not In a small nation such as Switzerland

Larry Hart said...


https://bsky.app/profile/kyledcheney.bsky.social/post/3lmnh77vzd72w

Trump administation attests that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is alive and secure but is under the "sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador."


He's in the custody of El Salvador because we send him there and El Salvador is willing to hold our prisoners for money. It's not like they have the guy in custody for their own reasons. So what's the problem with saying, "We'll still pay you for your trouble, but we'd like that guy back, please"?

As usual, the explanations the Trumpers give don't make sense.

* * *

https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3lmljpkrdj22h

Hours ago, @politico.com revealed that DOGE is working with DHS on automating mass deportation efforts — likely explaining why many US citizens, green card holders, and even a Canadian (in Canada) got threatening emails last night terminating “your parole” and telling them to leave the US in 7 days.


At this point, e-mailed instructions from DOGE, or from the Trump administration in general, seems like one of those SPAM texts telling you that the IRS is coming to arrest you unless you buy gift cards and send the codes to cash them in to this link.

Tony Fisk said...

Consider this: your citizenship status can be adjusted by the tweak of a database record by anyone with access who is so inclined. So any criticism of Trump, his policies, or the Gaza genocide might find you suddenly turning enemy alien.

A batshit crazy notion? Certainly (no need to cite log records, and access rights to me).
That's why I'm putting it out there now, so you remember when it was batshit crazy. After all, green cards alone are no longer protection from people who have access and who are so inclined.

Alfred Differ said...

In my case, it would take a bit more than tweaking one record. I'm in too many databases and files for it to be that easy.

What COULD be done is create a bit of confusion and then lawyers would have to be paid. There are laws involving PII, though, so someone would be setting up a payday lawsuit for me.

Lloyd Flack said...
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Lloyd Flack said...

Did you consider using a Generalized Additive Model with non-linear smoothers in the independent variables? There is after all no reason to expect the effects to be linear.

Larry Hart said...

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Apr14-2.html

The headline is:
Some Democrats Think Trump May Have Manipulated the Stock Market

As if anyone who suspects foul play by the Trump administration is necessarily a political opponent, and with the implication that some (other) Democrats and all independents and Republicans don't think so.

A better headline would be Trump Seems To Have Manipulated The Stock Market: Some Republicans Are Ok With That"

locumranch said...

Just a quick shout-out to the stunning & brave women of the Blue Origin cargo cult who have demonstrated that the female gender identity now trumps the outdated patriarchal notions of intellect, effort, merit & deservingness, setting the stage for the pending Artemis Mission, as sponsored by Only Fans.

As in StarTrek & the Internet, Space Flight is FOR PORN!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs


Best

scidata said...

Thanks for the grins. Deservingness not seen since Alan Shepard.

Weekend Editor said...


Lloyd Flack said...
Did you consider using a Generalized Additive Model with non-linear smoothers in the independent variables? There is after all no reason to expect the effects to be linear.


Taking a chance guess that you might be talking to me about predicting economic variable changes based on House/Senate/Presidency partisanship:

(1) Generalized additive model: I used logistic regression, which is already a GAM. The link function is, of course, the logistic function. It predicts the log odds ratio for the dependent variable being "better" vs "worse". This is pretty much the method of choice for discrete, especially binary, dependent variables.

(2) The dependent variables are also discrete, i.e., R vs D control for each of the House/Senate/Presidency. They change abruptly at elections, so smoothing isn't really relevant.

What would be relevant would be a time lag, since sometimes effects take a while to show up after a policy is imposed. On the other hand, the minimum time interval here is a Congressional election, so we're already looking only at 2 year periods. With sparse data like this, introducing a lag variable is begging for over-fitting, which I'm almost doing already.

Larry Hart said...

I don't think it is possible to defend "Musk says bad things but does good things," any longer.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Apr14-6.html

The Social Security Administration maintains a database called the Social Security Death Index. It keeps a list of dead people who had Social Security numbers. The nominal reason is that in order to avoid making or continuing to make payments to people who are dead, it needs a database of who is dead. Over time, the database has acquired other uses. For example, the genealogy Website ancestry.com has it online. Entering the name of a dead ancestor turns up his or her birth date, death date, and the date and location the number was issued, providing clues for subsequent searches for birth certificates, death certificates, and other useful documents.

But Elon Musk has found an entirely new use for it: punishing immigrants. Musk is now sending information about immigrants to the SSA, claiming they are dead when they are in fact very much alive. Not only does it prevent them from receiving any benefits to which they might be otherwise entitled, but it has other (often disastrous) effects. For example, if an immigrant, legal or otherwise, shows up at a bank with a valid Social Security number and wants to open a bank account, the bank might check the death index, discover that the owner of the number was "dead," and thus the person standing there must be using a stolen number. Good idea to call the cops, no? Employers might also check. Signing up for Medicaid would probably also not work.

In short, being officially dead might make life so difficult for even legal immigrants that they have to self deport because "living" in the U.S. when you are officially dead is so difficult as to be nearly impossible.

scidata said...

My take on Elon is more nuanced. Evil can be defeated/turned Vader style.

Lloyd Flack said...

His evil is of a different origin. It comes from a combination of egotism and fanaticism. The fanaticism is from a lack of sense of proportion about the good that he intends. How do you get someone in his position to question his sense of his own importance.?

Lloyd Flack said...

I was thinking of using smoothing functions in budget, size and political inclination indicator as predictors. For example you could use smoothing splines or lowess smoothers.

Larry Hart said...


The fanaticism is from a lack of sense of proportion about the good that he intends.


Thanos also thought he was doing good, and that he alone had the courage and the will to make the hard choices.

Larry Hart said...

It's The Onion, but it might as well be truthful reporting:

https://theonion.com/salvadoran-president-claims-he-lacks-humanity-to-return-wrongly-deported-man/

Salvadoran President Claims He Lacks Humanity To Return Wrongly Deported Man

WASHINGTON—During a visit with President Donald Trump at the White House, El Salvador’s president Nayib Bukele claimed Monday that he “lacks the humanity” to return wrongly deported legal U.S. resident Kilmar Abrego Garcia back to America. “How can I return an innocent man to the United States when I don’t have the ability to feel empathy or compassion?” said Bukele, explaining that he’s consulted with his top advisors about the 29-year-old Maryland father being held in a Salvadoran prison, but none of them could find it in their hearts to care at all about the man’s situation. “Do you hear how ridiculous it sounds to expect that I could see myself reflected in another human being’s experience? Even if I wanted to, there’s no way I could acknowledge the plight of someone who is suffering because I am completely numb to the pain of others. My hands are tied because I’m totally dead inside.” At press time, President Trump had publicly thanked Bukele for his use of cruelty to project a facade of strength.

Tony Fisk said...

I posted my batshit crazy notion about the pending deportation of US citizens to see how long it remained batshit crazy (Sarah Kendzior, knowing exactly how totalitarians operate, recommended doing something similar in 2016).

Twenty four hours later, it seems the answer lies in how long it takes Bukele to build more receiving facilities (and what more does one need than a sturdy boundary fence and a few tents?)

Alfred may feel secure in the knowledge that his status resides in more than one database, but ICE, being the banal followers of the Process* that they are, are likely to just act on the one they look at. The 'pay day' may be difficult to achieve from abroad.

Alfred *is* probably OK, for now. My point is that nobody should consider themselves safe from the 'Poroshenko treatment' any more. Maybe they find themselves declared dead. Maybe they're just unlucky enough to be 'the wrong one.'

* The Due one: what's that?

Tony Fisk said...

Musk would say these lines with a straight face.

Tony Fisk said...

(Have to confess, I was thinking more in terms of 24 weeks than hours!)

John Viril said...

Hate to tell you, Biden's economy WAS terrible FOR SOME PEOPLE. If you recall, food banks were seeing the highest levels of food insecurity in 40 years.

In that situation, the headline numbers don't matter. What they indicate is that Biden's economy was polarized. Food inflation plus a glut of labor at the bottom of the economy mse for a lot of hungry people---and u will never convince hungry people that its a good economy.

David Brin said...

John Viril I assert that your assertions are likely dubious or even false. I am not so sure of that as to demand a wager. But they sound utterly cockeyed and made up.

matthew said...

Biden's economy was terrible for *most* Americans. Wage / inflation ratio far out of balance. Blue collar and white collar both getting screwed. Only the top 2-3% were doing well.

Trump's economy, both times through the wringer, is much, much worse for those same Americans.

The fact that this does not get mentioned is not because Democratic leaders do not mention it. They do, most of them. A lot.

It is because the US media, old, new, and podcast, do not mention how much worse Trump was for the nation than Biden ever was.

Our legacy media were the *first* thing that the techbros took over. Look at the timeline of purchases of the big legacy media rooms. Don't forget the NPR news / editorial rooms, lest you think those were exempt.

There are independent media sources in the US that try to fill the gap, but it takes a lot of time and knowledge to find them since they are buried on search engine results until multiple pages into a search. Why? Because the owners of the search engines *want* the media that they own at the top.

Silicon Valley has a lot to answer for. Social media and purchased legacy media are more responsible for the advent of American fascism than SCOTUS, and SCOTUS have been working to end the rule of law in America for years. Nothing in US history has prepared our citizenry for the wave of disinformation that Silicon Valley billionaires are pushing, ranking, and monetizing.

There are no good billionaires, and the sooner everyone realizes it the better the world will be.

PS. Our host makes his money from those same techbros. And the three-letter agencies that *really* want to watch every move you make. He has not lived off of SciFi for many, many years, by his own admission. Judge David Brin by his friends and by whose ass he kisses, no matter what.
David's economic interest lies in convincing his audience to forget these facts.

David Brin said...

The Declaration of Independence, 1776.

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
"For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
"For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
"For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
"For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences...

David Brin said...

The US Revolution was a rebellion against 10,000 years of feudal rule by moronic-greedy-cruel inheritance brat lords in order to try something new. And now the would be kings and lords have riled the lumpen proletariate into venomous hate toward every caste - mostly fact professions - who stand in the way of feudalism's return.

Slim Moldie said...

JV - calling your food bank insecurity and raise you a: during the last half of the same time period private equity firms buying up mom and pop trailer parks and b: take a glance at a map of church attendance by region and then cross reference that with homelessness after you correct for under the table "greyhound therapy." c: contemplate the fact that my favorite state, Iowa imports 95% of its food while receiving $24,552,000,000 in USDA crop subsidies (since 1995.)

Dr. B - the would be kings might hate a few groups of people worse than they hate the fact professions Not saying they don't hate the fact professions.

John Viril said...

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/05/hunger-in-america-is-getting-worse-not-better-according-to-an-explosive-new-usda-report/

Thats one link about food insecurity, from a super-liberal site (salon).

John Viril said...

Here's a local story from Portland saying hunger is the worst it's been in a century

https://lagrandeobserver.com/2021/02/03/oregon-food-bank-ceo-says-hunger-rate-is-at-worst-point-in-a-century/

John Viril said...

Here's a link from USA Today https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/11/17/food-banks-see-worst-rate-of-hunger/71505220007/

Slim Moldie said...

JV- RE Food Insecurity fun. According to google, "approximately 20% of SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) payments are spent on unhealthy items like soda, candy, desserts, and other junk food, according to various reports. Specifically, one study found that 23% of SNAP purchases by households were categorized as sugary drinks, desserts, salty snacks, candy, and sugar." Once we get rid of all that pesky regulation with RFK, the guys he hates "wink wink" at the big food corporations will able to finally sell you organic produce full of pesticides garnished with fecal material accidentally imported by our deported legal residents now working for free.

I would also like to see numbers on percentage of households experiencing food insecurity who consume their propaganda newsfomerricalas on mobile cellular devices and or big screen televisions. Now thanks to our hands off government that information is up for sale, too.

Even with education and above average parenting it is difficult for many individuals of our species to self-select dietary choices that promote health and well being.

As I near retirement I can I look forward to earning supplemental food chits leading poverty tours of my suburban neighborhood for well-healed international travelers willing to risk accidentally landing in the gulag.


John Viril said...

I must confess, the "polarized" economy was a conclusion I drew to explain high levels of food insecurity despite headline numbers you wanted Democrats to brag about. Also, attributing part of the problem to a glut of labor at the bottom of the economy wasn't in the stories about food insecurity, but something that seemed to me to follow from high levels of undocumented workers and many service jobs struggling in the aftermath of the pandemic.

However, there were multiple reports about high levels of food insecurity and food banks in crisis since mid 2022. Many came from.mainstream media and official government reports.

Celt said...

Germans thought that the Gestapo was only for the Jews.

So they were OK with it.

Turns out that the Gestapo was for everyone.

By the time Germans realized that, it was too late.

MAGA thought that ICE was just for illegals.

So they were OK with it.

Turns out that ICE is for everyone.

By the time MAGA realizes that, it will be too late.

Celt said...

As you watch democracy die in America just remember that democracy is the last thing oligarchs and MAGA racists want.

White people will be a minority in America by 2040, demographically that is already bake in and there is no stopping it. It's as certain as the sun coming up tomorrow morning.

With them about to lose majority status, the no longer want democracy.

C-plus said...

There's a great beautiful "Welcome to Canada" interview you can listen to here:
On CBC

Timothy Snyder - author of "On Tyranny" - has just accepted a posting at University of Toronto - he's a great speaker, and the interviewer gets the best out of him.

"Well, coming from that, the people who are in charge in the U.S. now, Musk and Trump, are heroes of negative freedom. They are people who tell you that freedom is about being against things. And it starts by being against the government. And this is a trap, of course, because if you think freedom is being you against the government, then you help make the government smaller, and then the government becomes so tiny it's dysfunctional. and then the government can't do the basic things it needs to do to allow you to have a free life."

Really worth the listen!

C-plus said...

There wasn't a real legal process around Kilmar's deportation. He never went before a judge and was asked to prove he did or didn't have a legal right to be in the USA. He was deported, and then the legal process kicked in ... and the government said
"tee hee hee ... oops. Well he's not in the US anymore, so nothing I can do about it. Have a nice day."
If the government arrested and deported Alfred (or Bernie Sanders) without trial, threw him into a Salvadoran prison, how would the situation be any different?

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David Brin said...

"Thats one link about food insecurity, from a super-liberal site (salon)." Um duh? The super liberals lie almost as much as ALL conservatives. The Super liberals put us in this mess by smashing our coalition with such bullshit.

Celt said...

Nobody votes for Trump for economic reasons.

The reasons we have a Trump presidency and the MAGA movement are:

A black president.
Gay marriage.
And Whites being a minority by 2040.

Trump's support is all cultural and racial.

So as inflation and recession ravage the economy, look for MAGA folks to come up with ever more creative reasons why it is not Trump's fault.

For example, the price of eggs was supposedly a main reason to vote for Trump.

The price of eggs is still rising and has never been higher.

And yet no Trump supporter now complains about the price of eggs.

Because it was never about the price of eggs.

That was just a convenient excuse that MAGA voters could give so they would not have to openly admit that they were never going to vote for a black woman.

Larry Hart said...

Because it was never about the price of eggs.

Remember all of the stickers on gas pumps with Biden saying "I did that!" when gas was $6 + after Russia invaded Ukraine? No one seemed to care about the price of gas when right before election day I could find stations where it was less than $2.50.

I so wanted to plaster my grocery stores with Trump "I did that!" stickers next to the eggs. But that's the kind of thing that only Republicans can do without getting into trouble.

locumranch said...

Um duh? The super liberals lie almost as much as ALL conservatives.

I agree wholeheartedly with our fine host.

In both the US & EU, our multi-faced politicians have been lying to us since time immemorial, the modern difference being that we now possess an unforgiving internet which remembers everything & provides ready proof of their constant politically-motivated machinations, flip-flopping & lies.

That 'an independent media exists' is likewise a lie, as any 'independence' was long ago subsumed into an official state-funded narrative in accordance with Edward Bernays (Propaganda), Norm Chomsky (Manufacturing Consent) & the recent USAID scandal which documents federal funding in excess of +500 Million USD per annum to Politico, the NYT, the BBC & thousands of other 'independent' news outlets to maintain the official narrative.

Finally, let's put to rest the narrow-minded hypocrisies of our Brit, EU & other foreign friends who condemn the US for it's relative shortcomings in regard to free speech, civil rights & democracy even when they themselves do not endorse these concepts, as shown by their collective decision to outlaw 'free speech ', embrace an openly racist/unjust/unequal legal systems and engage in tyranny through the imprisonment of their political opponents.

Like Poor Der_Oger, many have been driven mad by an official German narrative which argues that Germany's most popular political party (the AFD) is such a 'real & present danger' to democracy that the current ruling party must first destroy democracy in order to save democracy from democracy.


Best
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It now appears that Poor Celt has already succumbed to Der_Oger's type of insanity, as he accuses Trump supporters of 'illegal & criminal democracy' for daring to vote for their own perceived self-interests, even when Celt most likely does NOT feel the same way about the minority and LBGT+ agenda.

Will he also accuse these groups of being 'nazi racist monsters' for daring to vote for their own minority & LBGT+ self-interests? Or, is he yet another lying liar hypocrite who thinks that bigotry, racism & self-interest are just fine when his side does it?

I wager big money that Celt would never think of voting against the self-interests of his own identity group.

Alfred Differ said...

Those events have to be resisted as illegal arrests. Since I'm an actually-born-here-to-citizens kinda citizen, any attempt to deport me would be utterly illegal. I'd be within my rights to defend myself with physical force. Someone would wind up in the hospital... likely me. 8)

This argument doesn't quite work for people here on visas or other less-than-naturalized documents. I'm just pointing out that for the rest of us, resisting and putting people in the hospital is actually legal... and expected.

scidata said...

Seeing a lot of 'astro-bunnies' quips on social media.

Alfred Differ said...

yah. I saw that. No one gasped.

We are heading for one of those 'watering the tree of Liberty' events.

Larry Hart said...

"Let it go. It's not wise to upset a Republican."

"But, sir, no one worries about upsetting a Democrat."

"That's because Democrats don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Republicans are known to do that."

"I see your point, sir. I suggest a new strategy, R2. Let the Republican win."

Larry Hart said...

Too late to do much good, some on the right are realizing that we were correct all along.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/opinion/dissident-right-trump.html

...
For [ podcaster Alex] Kaschuta, who lives in Romania, the promise of a more authentic, organic society, freed from the hypocrisies of the existing order, was apparently inviting. “There’s always been something tantalizing about the idea that the world is not how it is presented to you,” she wrote on her blog. “A frontier opens up.”

But over the last couple of years, that frontier started seeming to her more like a dead end. Recently, she abandoned the movement. “The vibe is shifting yet again,” Kaschuta wrote on X last week. “The cumulative IQ of the right is looking worse than the market.”

Kaschuta is not alone; several people who once appeared to find transgressive right-wing ideas scintillating are having second thoughts as they watch Donald Trump’s administration put those ideas into practice. The writer Richard Hanania once said that he hated bespoke pronouns “more than genocide,” and his 2023 book, “The Origins of Woke: Civil Rights Law, Corporate America, and the Triumph of Identity Politics,” provided a blueprint for the White House’s war on D.E.I. But less than three months into Trump’s new term, he regrets his vote, telling me, “The resistance libs were mostly right about him.”
...

Larry Hart said...

continuing from the same link. FA is meeting FO on a battlefield.


...
When liberalism was firmly entrenched, its discontents could treat authoritarian ideas as interesting avant-garde provocations. Authoritarianism in power, however, was always going to be crude and stupid.

Trump’s tariffs have pushed some to the breaking point because they reveal the immediate material cost of that stupidity. The decadent cynics of the new right could dismiss Trump’s lies about the 2020 election as mere hyperbole. It’s harder to be sanguine about a collapse in one’s own net worth and economic prospects. “It kind of made the consequences seem real,” Hanania said of the trade war.
[Me: Ya think?]
...
The mother of young children, Kaschuta described internalizing tradwife ideas about women’s primacy in the home. When she tried to take on all the domestic labor in her own family, it nearly broke her. She started to realize that while the new right’s racism and misogyny were often delivered with an ironic smirk, it was no joke. As a woman, she said, “you’d have to lean back and just accept that people will belittle you.”

For all her mounting disgust, however, the tariffs seemed to push her over the edge. When she looks back on the milieu she was once a part of, she said, she sees no solid ideas for a post-liberal society — it was all just aesthetics, resentments and vibes. “And now the vibes have knocked into reality,” she said. “And it is so jarring to see that none of the vibes stand up to scrutiny. None of the vibes actually fit onto the 21st century. None of the vibes, if implemented, would lead to anything but immiseration and war.”

Irving Kristol famously said that neoconservatives were liberals who’d been “mugged by reality.” Maybe soon we’ll need a similar word for the right wingers who can’t stand to live in the world they helped build.

John Viril said...

Uh, there's also the USDA report.

Reading on this issue did suggest part of the problem with food pantry shortages is that big grocers are better at efficient inventory systems...hence less excess stock, hence less donations of overflow vs decades ago. So you could have shortages that are worse than what economic performance would indicate.

Of course, if you're dependent on food pantries, you'd perceive stress on food pantries as a "bad economy" bc you're not eating.

scidata said...

Imagine what could have been if those 'resistance libs' had offered coffee and friendly conversation instead of derision.

Larry Hart said...

Imagine what could have been if those 'resistance libs' had offered coffee and friendly conversation instead of derision.

Sorry, nice a thought as that is, I don't see that it would have worked that way.

The "transgressive right-wing" folks always knew that they were right and that any argument against their views were wrong. As long as their ideas were never put into practice, they could dream of the utopia that would arise when they were finally proven right.

The only thing that could dissuade them from the cultist thinking is watching it run into hard reality on a battlefield.

* * *

Think I'm too harsh or too partisan? What would have been the outcome in 1930s Germany if Jews had just been nicer instead of derisive toward their Nazi oppressors?

Or if that's too inflammatory, here's a nicer example. If the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Evangelical preachers of my campus days showed up at your door, and instead of mocking them or slamming the door on them, you invited them in for tea and a nice chat. You might find the situation more pleasant than expected, but in the end, would either you or the JWs walk away with a different attitude toward God and religion than the one you started with?

Larry Hart said...

From the article linked above:

The decadent cynics of the new right could dismiss Trump’s lies about the 2020 election as mere hyperbole. It’s harder to be sanguine about a collapse in one’s own net worth and economic prospects.


That's because it's a mistake to think that we could prove to them via evidence and court rulings that the 2020 election was fair. Because "The election was stolen" is a Shibboleth. It's like when a reporter or interviewer asks a religious person whether he believes in evolution. He's not going to answer the question based on scientific evidence or philosophical reasoning. Because he's not really answering the question being asked. He's answering, "Can I trick you into betraying God?"

And it's the same thing with MAGA assertions about the 2020 election or for that matter about the horrific Biden economy. They won't be swayed by evidence or proof or even bets. Because again, they're not making a statement of fact. They're pledging allegiance to Trump.

scidata said...

It's important to at least try to separate the victims from the monsters. Otherwise, it's a zombie apocalypse, and those don't end well. Victims aren't blameless, but some are possibly reachable.

David Brin said...

"Trump's support is all cultural and racial...."

Half right. It's all cultural and almost none ot it is racial.

What staggering sanctimony preening silliness. All it proves is that guys like you never, ever get to know your republican neighbors, many of whom have multiracial sons-in-law or have adoted diversely, and suckle memes from Fox but those memes include commercial after commercial with muti-racial marriage couples selling lubricated catheters and viagra.

Are they still racist? Well, sure. But it's not grampa's racism and screeching "RACIST!" at them helped to drive them into cultural fury. Driving them into the arms of REAL racists like Trump and Locum and our own ent.

Dig it. Racism is a surface excrusion of deeper cultural rifts that go back to 1778 and even earlier. A hatred of modernity in general, in whatever form it happens to take this year. In the 1860s and 1960s sure, race was central. Today it is fierce wrath against smartypants professionals who understand a fast-changing world that leaves today's confederates baffled.

Jesus, really? You are unable to see WHO is getting the shaft right now? Screwing the civil service and Harvard and Cornell (but not Yale) and NASA and you can't see it? Yep. And that's why we lost.

David Brin said...

Glimpsed locum's "vote their own self-interest" and had to admit, the twit still can make me choke and spit. You are the peasants who bled and died cheerfully for the czar and boyars who raped you all your life.

Larry Hart said...

scidata:

It's important to at least try to separate the victims from the monsters.
...
Victims aren't blameless, but some are possibly reachable.


I can tell you an inspiring story from my life....well, my dad's life actually.

He was Jewish, but grew up in the 1930s in a heavily German-American part of Chicago. This was while Hitler was in power, but before the US was in the war. My dad told me of one kid at school who was ranting about how Hitler would soon be coming over here to deal with the Jews. Dad, bless him, mentioned that he himself was Jewish, and asked if he was an example of what the other kid meant.

The other kid had a revelation. It had not occurred to him that anyone he knew personally at school was one of "the Jews". Instead of doubling down or lashing out, he apologized to my dad, and the two of them remained the best of friends. So much so that my whole family drove to Charlottesville, Virginia in 1983 to visit the same guy and his family. They had kept in touch for 50 years.

So yes, it can happen. But dang, does that seem like the exception that proves the rule.

scidata said...

Beautiful story.
As said in GATTACA, "There is no gene for the human spirit"

Larry Hart said...

Some Democrats (and Dem-leaning independents) do get it.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Apr16-3.html

...
In any event, it's certainly possible that AOC will use that money in a challenge to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY). If so, then that makes life harder for one particular incumbent. Alternatively, she might use it to help fund young, progressive challengers across the nation. Certainly that is what Sanders is going to do; he's not up again until 2030. Add to that the fact that DNC vice chair and progressive activist David Hogg announced yesterday that the PAC he founded and leads, Leaders We Deserve, will spend $20 million to try to elect younger officeholders.

Note, incidentally, that while Republicans look likely to get down and dirty in places where the eventual winner could face a tough general election, Hogg has stated outright, and the other two have implied, that they are going to target safe districts and states. In other words, they want to do what AOC did, and swap out an old Democrat in a deep-blue district for a young Democrat in a deep-blue district. They do not want to do anything that might reduce the Party's odds of retaking the House (and maybe the Senate).

Larry Hart said...

My own governor, JB Pritzger, might be the next president of the United States. Even the normally conservative (though not Trumpist) Chicago Tribune had to give him some applause for an appearance on FOX:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/04/16/pritzker-fox-news-tariffs-cable-pritzker/

...
Illinois’ governor. JB Pritzker, who appeared for the first time on Fox News this past Sunday, came across as reasonable and laser-focused on the economy, repeatedly emphasizing the needs of working families and focusing on the cost of living. He refused to be distracted by divisive culture war topics.

When “Fox News Sunday’s” Shannon Bream tried to steer the governor toward discussing transgender athletes and the issue of gender more broadly (against polling statistics showing the majority of voters support the president’s positions on these issues), Pritzker pivoted to economic policy, saying Americans are more interested in their standard of living.
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Speaking of tariffs, the back and forth between Pritzker and Bream on this topic was cordial and professional, without a hint of animosity. Even when Pritzker pushed back, he was calm and measured. Both conducted themselves in an exemplary way, with the end result that Fox News viewers who don’t often hear directly from the likes of Pritzker were exposed to an alternative point of view without interruptions or vitriol.

“(Trump) thinks with tariffs, if he closes the borders for any goods, that now we’re gonna have onshoring of operations,” Pritzker said. “Maybe, but it’s gonna take years, and we’re gonna lose a lot of jobs and have a big recession in between. I think there’s a better way to do that. Let’s be careful about the way we’re putting tariffs in if we do any, and importantly, U.S. businesses and jobs ought to be the number one thought of the Trump administration, and not this idea that we’re punishing people.”

We imagine that many network listeners were likely scratching their heads, wondering how they ended up agreeing with a blue-state governor on tariffs after voting for Trump. Fellow Democrats ought to take heed of Pritzker’s clear message as well. Too many of them seem afraid to straightforwardly criticize protectionism for fear of alienating union backers.
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Pritzker hit just the right notes for the part of the Fox News audience seeking a little common sense in the midst of chaos, and the collegiality from both sides was refreshing — almost distressingly so, since that ought to be the norm in TV interviews.
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At the end of the day, Fox News is still conservative cable TV and Pritzker is still a progressive Democrat. But this appearance demonstrated that light — rather than heat — is what’s needed when those on opposite sides of the political spectrum hash out the issues of the day. We encourage more of that everywhere. Nice work, governor, and keep it up, Fox News. Let’s see more of the same from MSNBC and CNN as well.

scidata said...

Civilization (incl. the game), A.I., SciFi, God, and a terrifying take on Muskrats:
https://www.liberalcurrents.com/elon-musks-artificial-god/

Larry Hart said...

Oh,wow. Stonekettle captures the moment. Also, why he hasn't posted long form essays in a while.
https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle/post/DIe9r1bx8se

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Now, to the third point and the question:

You ask me for solace. Direction. What should we do, those of us who are frozen in fear, who (perhaps) regret that protest vote.

I can offer you no solace.

If it makes you feel better, I can find none for myself. We're ALL going to hell together, sinners and saints alike. That's what you voted for. Screaming all the way down and in the end history will remember us all the same.

Let me tell you a story:

That poem, you know the one

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me

Martin Niemöller, Lutheran paster, Nazi Germany. The good guy. Like you, admirable principles, right?

First they came. Powerful words. Regret. Hindsight. Principles. That Paster Niemöller, the famous peace activist. What a guy.

Except
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continuing for length...

Larry Hart said...

continuing Stonekettle...

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Except he left a few things out of that poem.

See, he didn't speak out, not because he wasn't a communist, or a trade unionist, or a Jew. No he didn't speak out because he literally voted FOR the Nazis to come for the unions, socialists, and most especially the Jews -- given that he was a raging antisemite.

That's right, he voted FOR the Nazis, at first.

He also hated the communists (those are the trade unionists in the story) and the intellectuals and the educated, because as a Christian Conservative he felt they were leading Germans away from Christianity and into atheism and liberalism.

He literally voted for Hitler because he thought Hitler would restore German Christianity and German conservatism and get rid of the liberals -- who he despised.

Also, Hitler was good for the economy.

As to the Jews, he saw Nazis persecution as the perfect opportunity to expand his flock. And he set about converting them to Christianity, Lutheranism to be exact.

But then the Nazis came for those converted Jews too.

Marty eventually spoke out, when the Nazis issued the Aryan Decree and it directly impacted those former Jews he'd converted into his church.

That's when the Nazis did come for him, and no one spoke out because he was an asshole. What happened to him, that knock on the door in the middle of the night, he'd voted for that to happen to everyone else. It wasn't that there wasn't anyone left to speak for him, it's that he deserved what he got. Karma.

No one gave a shit about Marty Niemoller. He was just another victim at that point, and one who had it coming.

Least you think I'm being too hard on the guy, the Nazis put him a concentration camp with the very people he'd wished there.

To get out, he VOLUNTEERED to serve Hitler as a U-boat commander (he'd been a German sub captain in WWI before he turned to God, LOL). That's right, he didn't speak out THEN, either.

He volunteered to be a Nazi instead.
The Nazis refused and left him to die.

He survived, and it was only after his liberation by the allies at the end of the war that he had his come to Jesus moment and became the famous peace crusader everyone remembers.

Now, that doesn't make the poem any less powerful. But the part he left out changes things.

Martin Niemoller didn't speak out, BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THEM.

And he was one of them right up until THEY decided he wasn't.

You understand where I'm going with this?

You voted for Trump and you regret it now? You threw away your vote, knowing it would help Trump, and you regret it now? You stayed home, knowing that was a vote for Trump and you regret it now?

Welcome, I guess.

Niemoller eventually became one of the world's great peace crusaders, respected, adored, his poem moves people to this very day. Powerful words.

Maybe that's your future.

That part is up to you.

But if you've come to me for solace, I'm fresh out.

Same with advice. I wrote something in the neighborhood a bit north of four million words over the last 15 years. Long form. My own site. Hard work. Painful. Soul draining. Endless advice.

You didn't listen to single word. Not one.

It killed me.

I haven't written an essay since. I don't have it in me any more, thanks to you.

I don't blame you personally.

And I haven't given up.

But, if this is The Resistance, then I'm Saw Gerrera and you're on your own.

WilliamG said...

Trump is a genius con-man and his tariff policy is like everything else he does- a vehicle for pure grift. His back and forth pronouncements on tariff policy that create stock market volatility also create the perfect opportunity for insider trading.

I've been patiently trying to explain to my conservative friends that nothing Trump is doing will bring back US manufacturing. Captial does not follow chaos. Nobody is going to move factories based on executive orders, which can and are being changed on one man's whim. If he were at all serious he'd develop an industrial policy and pass a package of selective tariffs, incentives, and import quotas through congress.

Meanwhile - Dr. Brin is absolutely right about the dollar being in danger of losing its status as the world's reserve currency. The Euro is the obvious alternative if the EU can coordinate monetary and fiscal policies and do a good job of promoting themselves. Really good opportunities for Europe all around. World leadership is theirs for the taking. Could be the start of the "European century".

WilliamG said...

The effects of the dollar losing its status as the world's reserve category will be severe. Higher interest rates including higher mortgage rates, lower stock market p/e, and less future government flexibility as the service costs on our national debt balloons. We are seeing wealth destroyed on a massive scale to benefit Trump and his cronies.

David Brin said...

Stonekettle had his uses and virtues. And just like solace, he seems to be fresh-out, alas. He was never one for practical ideas or potentially useful new or refreshed tactics... (that left-hated T-word)... but at least he was entertaining in expressing contempt for these 9th Wave Confederate traitors.

But now he's just a morose grump. Send me folks who are willing to re-assess practical tactics. I offered a mazillion of them in Polemical Judo and EVEN HERE no one was even remotely interested. Even those passionate to defend the enlightenment stare at fresh ideas and blink and see nothing.

We are indeed under an alien stoopid ray.

Larry Hart said...

Send me folks who are willing to re-assess practical tactics.

AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzger

WilliamG said...

I've taken a few of your suggestions - I'm now a trained member of our Community Emergency Response Team and registered as a Republican so I can vote in my states closed primaries for the least nuts conservative candidates, and complain and maybe get listened to. I also volunteer at our local parkrun (great organization btw) and have started going back to church. Small steps and not all are political, but useful and an antidote to despair. Keep the faith!

locumranch said...

Glimpsed locum's "vote their own self-interest" (even though) you are the peasants who bled and died cheerfully for the czar and boyars who raped you all your life.

Our fine host wonders why the conservative classes often cling to those duplicitous allies who eventually betray them, even though an always tactful Scidata has already solved this non-conundrum with an 'imagine if those resistance libs had offered support & friendship instead of derision' thought exercise.

Time after time, this is where our self-appointed 'resistance liberators' always fail, as they engage in an incessant marxist class war (first) by expressing their undying enmity for the rich, (second) by declaring their hatred & antipathy for the bourgeoisie, (third) by hating on the common worker for their apparent complacencies and (fourth) by returning full-circle to their initial enmities.

CS Lewis expressed the common worker's dilemma thusly:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

These reformers, marxists, progressives & liberators ...

"They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

Because the enemy of our enemy is our friend.


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David Brin said...

Locum began with a paragraph with some validity... including "Time after time, this is where our self-appointed 'resistance liberators' always fail, as they engage in an incessant ..." Then he resumes utter drooling. DOpe: most liberal endeavors are aimed at increasing the NUMBER of 'the rich' while your cult is dedicated to reifying the classic Marxist scenario of an ever narrower clade of super uber duper elite lordly rich who re institute 9000 years of rule by inheritance brats.

...leading to violent revolution instead of incremental joy. You are thje ones summoningh tumbrels. Dope.