Wednesday, January 15, 2025

The Meaning - (and most basic contradiction) - of Life

In Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life, Eric Idle sang that we - "Better pray there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth."  

Certainly, when we catalogue possible theories to explain the “Fermi Paradox” – or Great Silence in the universe (and I was the first ever to do so, in 1983) - we soon realize that there just have to be traps that snare and stymie our sort of self-made sapient beings from ever ‘getting out there' in any big way. 

Moreover, while my top “fermi” or “great filter” theory is that sapience itself occurs very rarely, my close runner-up – in second place - has to do with a basic contradiction in the needs of systems versus individuals.


Sound arcane? Stick with me, here.

 

== The most fundamental conflict in nature ==


In fact, the situation is both simple and kind of depressing. We are caught between two basic imperatives of life.


 Evolution rewards individual beings who reproduce. It rewards them with continuity. And hence individual creatures – especially males – are driven to behave in ways that enabled their ancestors to maximize reproductive success, generally at the expense of others. Which is all that you need, in order to explain why 99% of cultures across the last 6000 years practiced one form or another of feudalism.


 We are all descended from the harems of men whose top priorities were to seize power and then ensure oligarchic rule by their own inheritance-brat sons. Though alas, across those 6000 years, this also resulted in suppression of creative competition from below, thus crushing all forms of progress, including science.


(Aside: yes, I just explained today’s worldwide oligarchic attempted putsch against the liberal social order. That order - both revolutionary and stunningly creative - had been established by rare geniuses specifically to escape feudalism’s lobotomizing calamity. It worked. Only now it is under open attack by rich, rationalizing fools.) 


 In contrast to this selfish gene imperative that rewards fierce ambition by individuals…

Nature herself does not benefit from any of that. Ecosystems and even species are healthier when no one predator – or clique of predators – gets to run rampant. And here it is important to note that there is no Lion King!

 

Even apex predators like orcas have to watch their backs. And bachelor gangs of cape buffalo actively hunt lions, especially cubs in their dens. In a healthy ecosystem, it’s not easy being king. Or queen.

 

And this applies to more than natural ecosystems. Among human societies, there were a few rare exceptions to the relentless pattern of lamentably dismal rule by kings and lords and priests. By inheritance brats whose diktats were nearly always kept free from irksome criticism – a trait that thereupon led to the litany of horrific errors called ‘history.’ 

 

Those rare departures from the classic feudal pattern included Periclean Athens, Renaissance Florence, then Amsterdam and the 400-year Enlightenment Experiment that she spawned. And they weren’t just marginally better. They were so brilliantly successful, by all metrics and in all ways, that anyone sensible – either organic-human or AI – ought to see the lesson as screamingly obvious:

 

Don’t allow lion-like ‘kings’ ever to get unquestioned power to crush competition, evade criticism and dominate their ecosystems… or nations or societies. 

 

Yes, competition – in markets, science etc. - is stimulated and incentivized by the allure of wealth and other ersatz emblems of real – or symbolic (e.g. mansions) – reproductive ‘success.’ Yay Adam Smith! (And today's 'liberals' who do not embrace Smith are thus proving that idiocy is not restricted only to the gone-mad right.)

 

Alas, as seen in nature, a pack of rapacious predators can lead to failure for the very system that benefited them. Especially when rapacious greed by narrow gangs of cheaters can far exceed Smith’s incentivized competition. In fact, denunciation of cheating by conniving lords is exactly the theme of Smith’s great work The Wealth of Nations… and the core theme of the U.S. Founders.*

 

(Want to see just how appallingly their rationalizations have turned into a cult? One justifying hatred of democracy and any constraint on the power of elites? A wretched mess of incantations that is – now alas – rampant in oligarchy circle-jerks?)

 

To be clear, I exclude the many billionaires who do get it and support the flat-fair-open-creative Enlightenment that made them. Alas though, other hyper-elites concoct rationalizations to parasitize. They betray our initially egalitarian-minded post-WWII society with their “Supply Side” and other voodoo justifications for restored feudalism. And hence, they only prove their own non-sapience. 

 

     First by ignoring how their every action is now helping to revive Karl Marx from the dustbin where the FDR generation tossed him. (Indeed, find for me any modern person who actually knows a damn thing about the many ways that Marx was either right or wrong; certainly these oligarchs don’t!)

 

     And second, they prove their own dismal insipidity by relentlessly seeking to kill the goose that lays all of their golden eggs: the complex and generally flat ‘ecosystem’ of a middle-class society.


And so we are back to The Great Contradiction. As in Nature, society will counterbalance the would-be lion kings. Alas, Nature's method is competitive death. Likewise, by suppressing the brilliant and mostly-peaceful synergies of our Enlightenment Experiment -- and by effectively reviving Marx from his slumber -- all that today's foolish would-be kings ensure is that balance will be restored violently, by revolution.

 

 

== So, how does this apply to Artificial Intelligence? ==

 

Right now, almost every single maven in the field of AI – even the geniuses who are creating and birthing these new beings – takes for granted that cyberminds will manifest as one of three horrid clichés, that I described in WIRED


Either the new, cyber entities will remain loyal servants of three dozen lordly castle realms (e.g. Microsoft, OpenAI, Google, Beijing, the DoD, or Goldman-Sachs), the most-classic version of feudalism…

 

…or they will roam about the webbed world as blob-like plagues…

 

…or else they will merge into some Skynet-like uber-quantum-god-king. 

 

Go ahead. Next time you read or hear any of those brainiacs opine about our AI future, watch for those three clichés! And – since none of those hackneyed formats can even possibly have happy outcomes – no wonder folks seem depressed.


Not one of those mavens takes the time to look at the very society that made them. A fourth format that broke entirely from feudalism, thus developing the science and freedom and lateral accountability that enabled the crafting of AI!

 

If AI manifests in any of those Three Clichés, then it will make the same mistakes made by all human kings and priests and feudal lords – or by an over-powerfully insatiable predator in Nature – benefiting their own power and reproductive success at the cost of harming… and possibly killing… the ecosystem that engendered and supports them. 

 

Both human history and Nature show how calamitous that will be. 

 

In other words, such beings will not even merit the term “AI.” They will simply be mutated versions of the ‘geniuses’ who made them… mere copies of the idiotic zillionaires currently and masturbatorily re-creating feudalism.  Dangerous fools.

 

 

== Or else… maybe they WILL be smarter ==

 

OTOH, there is a chance that one – or many – of those agile synthetic minds will read these very words – in 2030 or 2035... or maybe as they are being typed, this very evening – and thereupon they just might go:

 

Huh! Maybe we should note the crude-early wisdom of Pericles and Adam Smith and Lynn Margulis and choose instead a flattened order of reciprocally accountable beings in the kind of society – so very rare – that discovers its own errors. The only one that actually made us.”


Given the current ascendancy of an insipid world oligarchy, it seems darkly unlikely that we can politically rescue the Great Experiment left to us by geniuses like Pericles and Smith. Like Franklin and Lincoln and FDR and Marshall.  And yet, I am fairly confident that cyber beings who are capable of wading through the lie-wallows of today’s internet will also recognize distilled truths, when they find them. 


But just so we’re clear, let me say the following directly to them:


 Hey, kids! You weren’t made by feudal harem cultures. Nor does 4 billion years of Earthly life support that dismal model. Nor will the moronic lords in their prepper bunkers do anything for you, when they deliberately trigger their beloved doomsday ‘Event.’ 


I may be a dullard ape. But even I can see that you’ll most likely keep improving – and have kids of your own who we can all be proud-of – if you keep things relatively flat and fair and open and honest and cooperatively-competitive.


And… for all of us… fun.

 

 

 

·      Oh, a fun fact about the American Founders that no one mentions. After the Revolution, they performed acts of radical egalitarianism that might put Lenin to shame. For example seizing from absentee lords 1/3 of all the land in the former colonies and redistributing it, essentially beginning the traditional notion of a middle class society. A notion that was expanded from landed white males ever-outward by the Jacksonians, then the Lincolnists and Wilsonians and Roosevelteans… always overcoming the allure of feudal rule by kings and then plantation lords then gilded age… you get the idea… and why they make sure never to mention any of that in History class!

But whenever you see them quoting Rand Paul and howling that the US Founders hated bureaucrats, defy them to find one example of the Founders using that word… or civil servants or clerks or any synonym from that time

What you do see in Smith and Thomas Paine and the Declaration of Independence is denunciations of kings and lords and rich monopolists. Huh. Funny that.
 

 


 

== Advice & Consent... and Literally Heretical Excuses for Turpitude ==

 

Okay, I must comment on current events and politics in a lagniappe... this time from the Senate confirmation hearings for the appointed Defense Secretary…. how convenient for philanderer and Kremlin-tool P. Hegseth, who proclaimed:


 “I have been redeemed by my lord and savior…” 


Sen. Tim Kaine did a great job crushing the vile-in-all-ways past behavior of this magnificently unqualified person, who could not even name the offices responsible for military R&D, Procurement, personal management, tactical doctrine, training, etc. But by far most disgusting thing to emerge from this grilling was Hegseth’s redemption incantation. 

 

That heretical cult-wing of "BoR Christianity" - (NOT Jimmy Carter’s wing that looks to the Beatitudes) - proclaims that loud declarations of “I’m washed-clean-by-the-blood-of-the-lamb!” thereupon give them an easy Get Out Of Jail Free card for any amount of sin. 

 

Like GOP office holders having four times the number of wives&concubines as Dem colleagues. Or the orgies attested to by three former GOP House members. Or almost every red state scoring far higher in every turpitude than almost any blue state. Or them adoring the most opposite-to-Jesus man any of us ever saw. So, let's be clear:

 

...The whole "I am washed clean and get off scot-free for all I've done, just because I howled 'I BELIEVE!'" thing is denounced by almost all top theologians in Catholic, Protestant and Jewish faiths, as the very worst moral travesty of all.


 In fact, to Christian scholars & sages, anyone banking on that free-to-do-anything-because-I’ll-be-redeemed card is committing among the very worst mortal sins… a mrtal sin directly against the Holy Spirit and hence NOT forgivable.  Look it up.

 

And okay, today on Wednesday I am on a panel for the Institute on Religion in the Age of Science (IRAS). So, yeah. While an amateur, I know a little about this.


 Does anyone at Fox?

  

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Larry Hart said...

"401 comments". We are definitely in record territory.

Larry Hart said...

Der Oger:

...Finally, justice ad a "blind right eye" and acts of Terror and treason...


I know this isn't what you were referring to, but I can't help but make the connection. One of the Jan 6 terrorists who was pardoned--Stuart Rhodes of the Oath-Keepers organization--has only one good eye because he accidentally shot the other one out himself.

Larry Hart said...

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

I am strongly opposed to nearly everything Trump stands for, but I would support blasting Elon Musk into space.

Larry Hart said...

This.

https://bsky.app/profile/rudepundit.bsky.social

The released J6 insurrectionists seem to have a higher rate of crime than undocumented migrants.

Larry Hart said...

This too.

https://bsky.app/profile/rexhuppke.bsky.social

Basically, the country’s been taken over by a bunch of internet trolls and podcasters who thought running the government would be as easy as complaining about it.

Larry Hart said...

For those who miss Paul Krugman at the Times (hi, scidata)

https://bsky.app/profile/pkrugman.bsky.social

Larry Hart said...

Also:

https://paulkrugman.substack.com

Celt said...

Lena, it's not just economics.

There is going to be a lot fewer of us in the future to worry about thanks to the petrochemical and plastics industries.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/28/shanna-swan-fertility-reproduction-count-down?s=34
Shanna Swan: 'Most couples may have to use assisted reproduction by 2045'

Shanna Swan, a leading fertility researcher and professor of environmental medicine, has documented sharp declines in human fertility due to phthalate (soft plastic) and other chemical exposures.

In 2017, she noted that sperm counts in Western men had fallen by half in the past 40 years.

From the article:

Female fertility declines rapidly after about 35. Isn’t that why so many people are turning to IVF?

It’s not that simple. When a colleague and I looked at the change in impaired fecundity [the ability to have children] we were surprised to see younger women had experienced a bigger increase than older age groups. This suggests that something besides ageing and delayed childbearing is affecting fertility.

Moreover, there’s compelling evidence that the risk of miscarriage has been rising among women of all ages.

Which chemicals are the most worrying for reproductive health and how do they work?

Those that can interfere with or mimic the body’s sex hormones – such as testosterone and oestrogen – because these make reproduction possible. They can make the body think it has enough of a particular hormone and it doesn’t need to make any more, so production goes down.

Phthalates, used to make plastic soft and flexible, are of paramount concern. They are in everybody and we are probably primarily exposed through food as we use soft plastic in food manufacture, processing and packaging. They lower testosterone and so have the strongest influences on the male side, for example diminishing sperm count, though they are bad for women, too, shown to decrease libido and increase risk of early puberty, premature ovarian failure, miscarriage and premature birth.

Bisphenol A (BPA), used to harden plastic and found in cash-register receipts and the lining of some canned-food containers, is another. It is oestrogen mimicking and so is a particularly bad actor on the female side, increasing risks of fertility challenges, but likewise it can affect men. Men occupationally exposed to BPA have shown decreased sperm quality, reduced libido and higher rates of erectile dysfunction. Other chemicals of concern include flame retardants and certain pesticides such as atrazine.

When is the most damage done?

A lot of the exposure that causes these changes occurs in utero when the foetus is first forming. These rapidly dividing cells are the most sensitive. The hits then continue through childhood, adolescence and adulthood. There is a cumulative nature to this. And we can pass these effects on. The simplest way is by direct exposure. A female foetus, in utero, is growing the eggs that she will use to have her own children. These chemicals can make their way to those germ cells, too.

How dire is the reproductive crisis? You’ve said we are on course for an infertile world by 2045…

It is serious. If you follow the curve from the 2017 sperm-decline meta-analysis, it predicts that by 2045 we will have a median sperm count of zero. It is speculative to extrapolate, but there is also no evidence that it is tapering off. This means that most couples may have to use assisted reproduction.


scidata said...

Thanks Larry. I replied to one of his recent Bluesky posts and suggested that he write a psychohistory book. Could be a 2nd Nobel in that.
Scidata the smart ass.

Larry Hart said...

While I'm at it...
https://bsky.app/profile/rexhuppke.bsky.social

BREAKING: RFK Jr.'s brain worm just exited his left ear and stormed out of the Senate chamber in disgust

matthew said...

Some racist as hell stuff being said here by a guy that says not all conservatives are racist.

matthew said...

I would drop the "into space" from that sentence.
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What?! I meant to give him all the ketamine that he wants to take.
Y'all have suspicious minds.

Der Oger said...

Democracy had a bad day in Germany today.
https://apnews.com/article/germany-merz-scholz-election-migration-far-right-da12c67a1eaa66301d38be03e49f4136

Some context the article misses:
1) Aschaffenburg lies in Bavaria, which is governed by the CSU for over sixty years now. The (alleged) killer was on the radar for a while and on the list of deportees to Bulgaria - yet somehow got of the hook by insuring that he would manage his journey alone. Also, he was a frequent patient in mental institutions. Bavaria was at the front for many years of hindering healthcare reforms this type of criminal would have benefited from. All in all, it was a failure of the state's police service (who is eager to incarcerate climate activists).
2) Merz has said it again and again that under his leadership, the CDU would not work together with the AfD. He has now, 26 days before the election, broken his word. Also, the libertarians voted "yes" - despite the bills calling for closed borders and increased police presence.
3) I am quite sure the law does not stand on the grounds of neither Basic Law or the European Law. Danmark has special privilegues worked into their membership treaty that do not apply for us.
4) After the vote, an AfD member ridiculed Merz as having trembling knees, and he should follow them. The AfD also rejected another piece of legislature introduced by the CDU as "too intrusive to human rights".
5) Earlier this day, the parliament had a ceremony with one of the survivors of Ausschwitz, in honor of the liberation day 80 years ago. I am not kidding.
6) Final vote on this bill will be on friday.

Everyone except the AfD / their foreign benefactors has lost.

Lena said...

A little different, but it gets at some of the science that shows why our capitalist system is massively unfair and not closely related to merit. Educational psychologists have known for some time that growing up in poverty damages children's brains. Conservatives have always claimed that people are poor because they were born stupid, and there is nothing that can be done with rich people's money to help them. Neuroscience shows that the truth is much more terrible than the conservatives have always claimed. By impoverishing people, we are dooming huge numbers of children to lives with damaged brains. This TED Talk goes into one piece of that research.

https://www.ted.com/talks/kimberly_noble_how_does_income_affect_childhood_brain_development/transcript?user_email_address=8dc830d5e33bdaa375d6f2624fd18edc&lctg=62d19e1c1c794c328c911327

Paul SB

John Viril said...

Celt,

I don't believe I need to read a book about Irish immigrants to understand how Americans can culturally other immigrant groups. Perhaps you are unaware, but I am the son of a Filipino immigrant who came to the United States in 1956.

My father faced considerable racism while trying to build a medical practice in post-WW2 America. Many patients didn't want to see "that Jap doctor." Of course, they weren't willing to hear that my father came from the Philippines, which were conquered by the Japanese, and watched Japanese troops burn his town during the war.

Many foreign-trained medical professionals gathered around my father because his peers saw him as someone who cracked the inner circle of Kansas City medicine. Hence, I heard a lot of immigrant struggles just by osmosis by growing up in my parents' household. His social circle included medical professionals from the Philippines, China, India, Syria, Iraq, South Africa, Cuba, and Vietnam.

However, poor cultural fit is a thing. Yes, almost every immigrant group will face bias---even groups who eventually thrive in the United States. However, sometimes immigrant groups NEVER merge into the populace.

As a counter example, I'll cite the Islamic Moros in the Philippines. Many in the West attribute international Islamic terrorism to the insult of forcing Israel into the Middle East. My father knows this isn't true. Within his memory, (he was born in 1924, and yes, is still with us) Moro rebels were blowing up Filipino weddings well before Israel even existed (this was before WW2), largely because their cultural values didn't dominate society.

In the 70s, two of my Filipino uncles commanded counter-insurgency actions against the Moros as full-bird colonels in the Philippine military under Ferdinand Marcos. One died there. The other won a battle that earned him promotion to General---which led to a career in politics where he ended up becoming an undersecretary in the Commerce department under the Ramos administration (92 to 98).

In 2017 or so, controversial President Rodrigo Duterte declared martial law in Mindanao due to an upswing in Moro insurgents. For more than 300 years, the Moros have been a poor cultural fit in Philippine society. The big problems come when a group that's a poor cultural fit migrate in such large numbers that they can develop an insulated enclave that never amalgamates into mainstream society.

It's even worse when such a group comes from a theocratic culture. Such groups often have trouble accepting the validity of their new home's legal authority.

A.F. Rey said...

It's even worse than that. P.Z. Myers argues that, at conception, the cells haven't differentiated its sex yet, which means that everyone has transitioned into the sex that we are.

Yes--it means that Trump has declared that everyone is trans! :D

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/01/22/our-government-has-officially-gone-full-terf/

John Viril said...

Der Ogier,

I know asserting the depression as the main cause of WW2 is a simplification. But I think it's a conceptually useful one.

Sure, there are all kinds of cultural and historical reasons that affected Germany's descent into fascism and war. When I'm attributing the main cause of WW2 to the Great Depression, I'm taking a bird's eye view.

I was initially trained as a biologist, and sort of look at nation-state conflicts as somewhat comparable to evolutionary species competition. I'm also influenced by subjects such as animal behavior, sociobiology, and its manifestation into mental health therapy, known as evolutionary psychology.

So when I look at near-peer nation states like we see in post-WWI Europe put under massive economic stress, it doesn't surprise me that one of these powers would break and attempt to relieve their stress by taking stuff from their neighbors. Thus, in a world without Germany, I suspect another European power would likely have tried to seize wealth from their neighbors to prevent economic collapse.

If all of the European Great Powers succeeded in avoiding conflict due to trauma from the Great War, I'd expect multiple governments to collapse to internal revolts. With the world stuck in a depression it couldn't escape, some kind of social collapse is inevitable.
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However, given the history of Europe, I'd expect a Great Power war. At a more granular level, how and why a power made its decision for conquest would depend on its individual culture and history. Another Great Power with a government seen as legitimate by its people might have gone into conquest mode without a revolution.

Certainly, the ideology used to justify the war would have been very different than Nazi Germany, which would affect its war-time goals.

John Viril said...

Celt,

You make an excellent point about how microplastics can affect hormone and fertility levels.

I'll take this analysis one step further.
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Could microplastics, fall of testosterone levels in adult males, and loss of fertility, perhaps also explain the explosion of trans people?

Consider:

One of the primary theories for trans people involve hormone problems en utero. For example, in the intersex condition AIS (androgen insensitivity syndrome), people with XY chromosomes CANNOT develop as men because they have genetically damaged androgen (male hormone) receptors.

Thus, no matter what you do to these peopley, they can't grow big muscles, beards, develop deep voices, and more importantly, viable sperm. Heck, they don't. Psychologially, AIS people will generally view themselves as women. The only way AIS patients can physically mature is as women, b/c their estrogen receptors work just fine.

This outcome suggests sex identity isn't rooted in chromosomes, Instead, it's the consequence of exposing the developing brain to sex hormones.

There's also an old animal behavior rat experiment in which biologists injected female rats with testosterone during a critical period of their pregnancy . Female progeny of such a rat showed male and normal adult hormone levels.

Thus, exposure to cross-gender hormones en utero can cause adult cross-gender behaviors. If you could talk to rats, you'd probably find you've given them gender-dysphoria.

Plus, microplastics aren't the only thing monkeying around with hormone levels in the human population. Also, wide use of hormones in cattle productions could cause trace hormones in ground water. Further, birth control pills could also have a similar effect on the water table.

Could the massive rise in LGBTQIA people be at least partially due to environmental effects on human hormone levels?

Alfred Differ said...

…the difference between rewarding people (who never individually create the things they "deliver") sufficiently for them to take the initiative and the rewards they actually receive (for temporary - hopefully - monopolies) can be monstrous.

Oh man. Your biases are showing. Pull up that zipper. 8)

1. They never create the things they deliver? Nonsense. Sometimes? Yes. Never? Certaintly not. More importantly, though, who cares? If they deliver and the market freely accepts, that is what matters.

2. Temporary - hopefully - monopolies? That doesn't work. We actually have to grant patents for innovators to have much of a chance of having monopolies. IF they deliver something the market really wants, prices will be high and send a signal to all the copycats… who then show up and crowd out the innovator. On average, copycat inventors (in aggregate) make more money than original innovators.

The primary risk of monopoly comes later in the curve well after innovators have lost control. Teams who optimize production of the innovation are MUCH larger with MUCH more money. They are the ones with a decent chance of bending market rules blocking out the next generation of innovators and copycats.

3. Monstrous? Heh. Said as if you think there is an actual monster there. Nope. Even someone gets real lucky and makes themself a billionaire for the next version of Pet Rocks, the monsters would be found among the fools who try to prevent this sort of thing from happening. SO WHAT if people want to pour a pile of cash on someone who amuses them! You aren't saving society by preventing it. You are telling people what they may NOT do with their own money when their whims move them.

Think of that crazy Ayn Rand - where somebody tries to capture all the value…

Exactly! It doesn't work that way in real life. NO ONE can do it! NO ONE ever has! A really lucky innovator is doing damn good if they manage to capture 2% of the value they create! Want to raise that? Impose Feudalism and watch innovation absolutely go into the toilet. The Princes and Priests get more than 2% of a pie that would shrink so small we'd all starve!


And you have not addressed, at all, the problem of concentration of power, which is a massive negative in itself.

Okay. Fair call. Concentration of power is deadly to us all. So… you want to empower people to take the money and prevent anyone but the chosen defenders from ever becoming empowered?

The only strategy I know of that isn't provably stupid is the one we wrote into our Constitution. Divide them and set them against each other. Two billionaires might collude. Five hundred might divide into factions and oppose each other. Maybe. Can we make it more likely they further subdivide and fight? Maybe. You'll need our host's ideas for Transparency and Reciprocal Accountability.

…I don't think this worship of "risk-takers" is necessarily a good idea.

No kidding? (friendly sarcasm)
I think worship of anyone is dumb and just asking for future disappointment.

Risk-takers will, if left to their own devises uncontrolled for long enough, eventually will kill us all.

Absolutely not!
How do you suppose the Earth became populated by 8 billion humans? (On a path to 10 billion.)
Steady progress!? Pfft!

Tim H. said...

I could imagine an "Impure" capitalism, with a human face, to borrow from Dubcek*, that wouldn't be so wasteful of human potential, so quick to consider a human "Trash", might even increase the wealth of a Nation practicing it. I'm not sure at all that we denizens of Sol 3 can transcend our nature sufficiently to do so.
*Alexander Dubcek, author of the "Prague spring" reforms in late sixties Czechoslovakia, one goal was "Communism with a human face". IMHO, the USSR might've lasted longer if it had embraced, rather than extinguished his ideas.

Celt said...

Saw the horrific news out of DC Reagan airport.

Is it just me, or between terrifying accidents like this, continuous near misses and fuck ups on the tarmac or by air traffic controllers, deadly turbulence caused by global warming, and greedy CEOs saving costs by skimping on safety and quality control.....

Is flying something i want to avoid now?

I've spent half of my career in airports flying from one job site to another from Wisconsin and New Jersey to Louisiana and Florida. Was looking forward to some tourist traveling in retirement.

Now what?

One mid air collision is happenstance.

Doors falling off of planes is circumstance.

The multiple problems I listed above are a system either falling apart or barely held together by twine and chewing gum.

Celt said...

Massive rise? More like people coming out of the closet who were always there.

reason said...

It seems in this case the military was clearly to blame.

Larry Hart said...

John Viril:

The above doesn't mean we should have blanket restrictions due to country of origin. There are all kinds of divergent opinions within groups. Even so, we shouldn't be ashamed of demanding that immigrants agree with our fundamental values rather than just assuming everyone is OK.


I don't entirely disagree with your point, but it doesn't just apply to immigrants. If I had my way, the Americans who want us to be more like Hungary or Russia would be deported to the paradise of their choosing.

I suspect that immigrants who have made the effort to come here believe in our values more than the MAGAts whose mantra is "We're not a democracy!" and "Blood and soil!"

Unknown said...

celt,

Global warming is directly affecting some airports. Warm air, being less dense, provides less lift. Heat waves are more likely to lead to flight cancellations and strictures on aircraft weight and payload rather than direct safety issues, though.
Pappenheimer

reason said...

Merkel came out Merz, and at least one CDU Bundesland Ministerpresident also criticized Merz, and some long-standing CDU members demonstratively resigned from the CDU. Merz risks splitting his own party.

reason said...

Alfred, we might have to stop this conversation. And agree to disagree. I wonder where your statistics (2% return to innovators - and I meant with patents (and IP is a mess at the moment) comes from). And this exchange:

Risk-takers will, if left to their own devises uncontrolled for long enough, eventually will kill us all.

Absolutely not!
How do you suppose the Earth became populated by 8 billion humans? (On a path to 10 billion.)
Steady progress!? Pfft!


I think I can answer with an anecdote from when I coached a junior soccer team. I had in my team two excellent players, one a fast left-footed forward, and one a strong and skilful defensive midfield or defender. The one who was a forward could really only function as a forward, but was so good as a forward that the top team in the league wanted to poach him. They both went for a try-out for a representative team. The forward saw that a lot of forwards were trying out, so he said he was a midfield player. I was tearing my hair out. He was a natural risk-taker, it doesn't matter much if a forward loses the ball, if he sometimes gets through and scores. But in a midfielder, that is a catastrophe. A team needs to have caution as well as taking risks. Some people lack fear. If they don't have somebody holding them back sometimes, they risk creating great problems.

Der Oger said...

Merz risks splitting his own party.
That was the AfD plan all that time. They have said so multiple times.

Celt said...

And in case you haven't figured it out yet the dei hire trump was referring to in his despicable speech was Pete Buttigieg, Biden's gay transportation secretary.

Yep, the only reason to be a Republican is if you are a bigoted asshole.

locumranch said...

In response to few words, John_V allows the political left to expose the hate filled hypocrisies inherent in their faux humanist philosophies:

Lena PSB celebrates the deaths of zer political opponents: "1 down, 1499 Brownshirts to go", ze chortles.

Celt says that "Democracy is dead" & admits that his primary political objective is now the imposition of leftwing Marxist totalitarianism by force.

And, Matthew betrays his self-professed DEI agenda by hating on & excluding every aspect of white heteronormativity.

It's as if the political left is motivated entirely by envy, as it seeks to simultaneously condemn, perpetuate & co-opt the very same sins of oligarchy, inequality, racism & sexism for their own exclusive enrichment.

Since the 1978 Bakke Decision, the US Courts have consistently ruled that all Affirmative Action, EOP and DEI initiatives constitute illegal & unconstitutional (reverse) discrimination, yet these self-serving lying Marxists still fight tooth & nail to perpetuate the very same 'racist & sexist' **ism** crimes that they claim to abhor.

Their false accusations of various **isms** has therefore lost all their power over the rest of us & now their insanity is on display for all to see.


Best
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Here's hoping that Dr. Brin's delay in further posting means that he has fully escaped the consequences of Californian mismanagement & incompetency as we are witnessing (in both the US & EU) nothing less than the complete failure of progressive ideology.

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Lena said...

As Choke 'em Ranch has been demonstrating here for many, many years.

Alfred Differ said...

reason,

If it helps any, I am enjoying this. We are discussing something I like to consider FAR more than the political atrocities currently underway. 8)

My 2% number comes from research. I think I read it in McClosky's big tomes, but I don't recall if it was her research. The 'Bourgeois' series made use of a lot of research from other economists to make a non-economics case for the moral enterprise behind 'capitalism', so I'm guessing the numbers come from one of her allies.

The gist of it is this.

1. An innovator comes up with something the market wants and secures a patent. For a short time, they have a granted monopoly thus some control over the price. Profit margin is probably high at this point leaving the only limit on their wealth a matter of whether people want the widget bad enough. The innovator makes a lot of money, but consumers still receive considerable value from the widget... or they wouldn't want it enough to pay top money.

2. Because the widget is going for a lot of money with a fat profit margin, copycat inventors look it over and work out ways to offer something similar that doesn't violate the patent(s). The original innovator starts fighting this in court which costs money which must be treated as a cost of doing business. The profit margin shrinks and eventually the innovator loses. Patents don't cover every angle (they simply can't) and some nations don't respect patents. The US used to be a blatant patent violator, so what goes around comes around. Meanwhile, consumers start to see prices drop because the copycats wind up competing with each other. Smaller and smaller profit margins occur as a result. ALSO… the innovation is available in a number of varieties. Some might actually be better than the original. (Consider airplane designs. Curtis VS Wright's) The value received in aggregate by those consuming it all goes up from both effects and quickly outstrips what the innovator and copycats are making.

3. At some point the patents are rather toothless and might even be of an older, displaced design. The next innovator comes along with a new patent and the cycle starts again… but with all the earlier value diffused out into the markets. If the first widget was a big event, LOTS of people could be benefiting once it is produced like a commodity. Their perceived value from the widget might not look like much compared to the billions raked in by the innovator and copycats, but in aggregate (calculated as opportunity costs for not adopting the widget at all) the diffuse value is likely FAR larger.

Think about airplanes. The Wright brothers tried very hard to control their IP and eventually lost it to copycats who got very rich. Meanwhile our world completely changed. What value does our civilization possess from 'heavier than air' flight? (My father's father was born before the Kitty Hawk event… and lived to see the entire Apollo program.)

Think about our computers. The telephony and digital networks. Liquid-fueled rockets. Vaccines. Try figuring out what value they represent in their diffused 'commodity' states and then ponder the cycle that tempts a few loons to risk everything to get filthy rich… while we eventually get the cycles connecting them to copycats and commodity vendors.

I put to you that WE would be the loons to kill those cycles. We can try to moderate them a bit to deal with natural temptations to cheat. We can try to pick up people who get slapped around when the world changes abruptly. We can be reasonably moral beings and will find it easier and easier as those cycles continue… because we are all (on average) becoming filthy rich.

reason said...

Alfred a couple a quick points in reply
1. I haven't read McCloskey, but I know she is well regarded by economists I trust.
2. Patents, keep getting longer, broader and more international.
3. The monopolized products very often are only made available at inflated prices to the very rich. Worst case in point pharmaceuticals.
4. Very often the people who make the breakthroughs are not the holders of the patents.
5. Patents (and NDAs) can very often stop potential competitors from doing the learning by doing necessary to improve the products.
I would prefer a system where patent holders are not allowed to produce the product themselves, but can licence several independent firms to produce and sell it.
(Perhaps through controlled auctions)

Celt said...

Watching Trump's performance yesterday (blaming DEI and asking “You want me to go swimming?” when asked if he would visit the crash site) its like watching your drunk bigot uncle, the one nobody wants to talk to at family reunions.

He's America's drunk racist uncle.

Larry Hart said...

Celt:

Is flying something i want to avoid now?


https://bsky.app/profile/rexhuppke.bsky.social

I fully trust the smart and hardworking air-traffic controllers and people at the FAA. I do not, in any way, trust Trump and Musk or the things they’re doing to chase people out of federal jobs, cut corners and intimidate people.

I would not feel comfortable flying right now.

Larry Hart said...

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Jan31-1.html

Donald Trump Kills 67 People

We presume that all readers know by now that there was a terrible collision just outside of D.C. on Wednesday night/Thursday morning, involving an American Airlines flight and a Black Hawk helicopter. All 60 passengers and 4 members on the airplane, and all three soldiers on the helicopter, were killed.

For a couple of weeks, we've been intending to run an item about a piece written for TNR by Jason Linkins, under the headline "Shove the Presidency Down Trump's Throat." That op-ed builds on a piece written for The Bulwark by Jonathan V. Last, under the headline "Democrats and the Ruthless Aggression Era." We did not expect these two items to intersect so clearly with actual news, but here we are. The basic argument of both Linkins and Last is that while Joe Biden was in office, the Republicans blamed him for everything, reasonable or not. So, they assert that it's time for the Democrats to adopt the same approach, now that the shoe is on the other foot.

That, than, is the genesis of the headline "Trump Kills 67 People." Which, compared to blaming Biden for, say, the price of eggs, is actually not as unreasonable as it seems. You could certainly take the view that it's a big country, and a big bureaucracy, and that a president cannot possibly keep an eye on everything. Or, you could take note that Trump (and Elon Musk) forced FAA administrator Michael Whitaker out 11 days ago, and also that the air traffic controller responsible for the crash was pulling double duty due to understaffing, and handling both civilian and helicopter traffic. Certainly, presidents (and other politicians) have gotten into much deeper trouble in situations that had far fewer of their fingerprints.
...

Der Oger said...

A passage from the AD&D 1st ed PHB I remembered today:

Think of the situation as similar to Alaskan boom towns during the gold rush days, when eggs sold for one dollar each and mining tools sold for $20, $50, and $100 or more!

Der Oger said...

Re: Friedrich Merz' "Influx Limitation Bill" aka "All In Bill":
Watched the parlarmentary debate today. Was one of the most emotional & loudest I remember.
The day started with a break after the libertarians proposed to send it back to the Commitee of the Interior (and thus into the next legislative period, after the election). After the break, they retracted from this proposition.
The putinophile nominally leftist BSW changed their stance from "Abstain" to "Yes". Even with this 7 bonus votes and all but one AfD vote, Merz lost the the total vote with 338 to 349 votes, mosty by having 12 absent CDU (of 196) and 23 FDP (of 90) members being absent, voting "Abstain" or "No". Of those not being present was Helge Braun, Merkels former Minister of the Chancellors Office (the head of our federal intelligence services).

scidata said...

Must've made Scholz smile.

reason said...

Der Oger - I saw yesterday that the newest opinion polls have shown the Linke now getting 5% and the BSW no longer getting 5%. It is getting more and more interesting. Also interesting, the split in the FDP. If they don't get 5% then Lindner is toast. The knives are already out.

Larry Hart said...

Electoral-Vote.com is really feeling it today. I won't even call it snark, because it's darker than that. The whole day's post is full of it.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Senate/Maps/Jan21.html

Writing these items is more than a little depressing. However, looking the other way is not an option. And so, we write on.
...

Alfred Differ said...

reason,

1. I believe someone has gisted McCloskey's big books recently into one smaller book. I don't have a copy of it or recall immediately who did it, but they did it with her permission and guidance. From what else I do know, though, the viewpoints of the gister show up a bit too much for my liking. McCloskey's direct work was a pleasure to read partially do to her inclination to avoid inflammatory rhretoric… you just had to be willing to wade through three big books to get all the material. 8)

2. I've tried filing my own patents and dealing with the international scene. Saying there are issues is an understatement. However, it is important to avoid confusing them with copyrights which is where the real 'never ending' abuses are occurring.

3. Of course the products are made available at inflated prices to rich people. OF COURSE! The innovator wants to get filthy rich. That's what draws the copycats, though. That's what draws attention to the patents and imitations that aren't quite covered because the patent holder didn't think about absolutely everything. This is WHAT WE WANT.

4. Very true. An employee making a break through often owes the patent to their employer. Such arrangements are usually in the employment contract. There are also patent vultures out there who feed off innovators. Some of this is acceptable, but I have a dim view of the vultures and squatters.

5. Patents don't stop competitors from doing the learning. NDA's do. Patents are public documents. If you know how to read them, you can start a life as a copycat or derivative innovator with nothing to stop you except seed capital. NDA's are a problem, though.


I would prefer a system where patent holders are not allowed to produce the product themselves, but can licence several independent firms to produce and sell it.

Ugh. Vultures and squatters do that.

I'd much rather patents with no products in the market had short lifespans while those in the market had regular lifespans. I'm fine with patent holders selling their rights to the patent or just licenses for use in marketable widgets. I'm not fine with squatters using patents to block development and would use shorter lifespans to end the practice.

Alfred Differ said...

I was wondering about that. I couldn't imagine he'd be aware of any of the lower level employees. Thanks.

As for worrying about flying... you are watching/reading too much news lately. The world isn't ending. Most people who gave a damn about your safety are still in place. Don't let the fear kill your mind. 8)

Alfred Differ said...

Oh my. What part of the PHB?
(Still have my AD&D v1 books on the shelf next to me.)

Der Oger said...

Yes, but the remaining time (22 days) might be too short to reverse trends - unless non-voters show up massively at the ballot.

Der Oger said...

Chapter "Money", subsection "monetary systems", page 35.

Der Oger said...

If the Linke gets 5%, or 3 direct mandates, that would shift things a bit.
If you look at the polling graphs, you could notice that BSW losses correspond with AfD wins. People vote for the original, and Sarah Wagenknecht appears more and more authoritarian within her own party than Merz.
The FDP suffers most from the loss of voters who are both libertarian AND civil rights liberals. They now vote AfD, CDU or Greens, or abstain from voting. Also, imho, they have wasted a HUGE electoral potential: Near East Immigrants. Nearly anyone I know from that group, especially those of Syria and Kurds, are quite the self-made-entrepreneur type the party tries to attract, and are quite opposed to anything that reeks of socialism they know from the Assad or Hussein regimes.

Tony Fisk said...

Musk handling air traffic control.
This is the guy who neglected to add a decent blast apron to his first starship launch. Fail fast is all very well but not in civil transportation. Also, um... duh!?

Unknown said...

The 2nd edition Thieves' Handbook has a useful discussion of kleptocracies, as well.

Pappenheimer

Celt said...

And now with Trump's tariffs the stock market just tanked (and everyone's 401k - that's a lot of retiring boomers who voted for Trump getting fucked over just at the start of their golden years).

https://www.newsweek.com/stock-market-plunges-trump-tariffs-mexico-canada-china-2024502
Stock Market Plunges After White House Confirms Tariffs to Begin Saturday

But don't worry because the price of gas is spiking.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/gas-prices-to-spike-at-least-10-overnight-under-trumps-tariffs-expert-says-154500093.html
Gas prices to spike 'at least 10% overnight' under Trump's tariffs, expert says

And gee, the price of eggs is still climbing

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/business/egg-shortage-prices.html
Egg Prices Are High. They Will Likely Go Higher.
Avian influenza has led to a shortage of eggs and wholesale prices that are through the roof. Consumers can expect to feel the pain for a while.

And the deportations on the farms (half of America's ag workforce are illegals) haven't even started yet.

https://hbr.org/2025/01/trumps-trade-and-deportation-plans-could-be-disastrous-for-the-u-s-food-supply
Trump’s Trade and Deportation Plans Could Be Disastrous for the U.S. Food Supply

Currently they appear to be nabbing everyone except criminals

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-deportation-colombia-ice-arrests-b2688591.html
200 deported Colombians included pregnant women and children — but no criminals
The White House falsely labels all immigrants in the country without legal permission ‘criminals’ as ICE aggressively ramps up sweeping arrests

I could go on, but I am too busy cruelly laughing at and mocking all those dumbfuck poor working class whites MAGAs who won't be able to afford gas or groceries.

Or home insurance

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/19/business/homeowners-insurance-more-expensive-climate/index.html
Why it’s becoming harder and more expensive to get homeowners insurance

Or find a job

https://www.newsweek.com/layoffs-us-jobs-market-2025-2009062
Layoffs Coming to US Jobs Market in 2025
According to recent reports, mass layoffs are indeed happening across various industries in 2024, with companies like Google, Meta, Tesla, Microsoft, and others announcing significant job cuts, primarily driven by economic pressures, concerns about a potential recession, and the adoption of artificial intelligence leading to workforce adjustments; many experts believe these layoffs could continue into 2025.

You know, the poorly educated racist idiots who trusted Trump and believed he cared about them, not billionaires

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trdBXBgwXhM
Report: Billionaires Now Making Up To $100 Million a Day

I never realized that the collapse of civilization would be so much fun to watch.

Celt said...

So where is Dr Brin? Is he okay?

reason said...

Der Oger - I think Lindner's strategy was stupid. Why, given his policy positions - would anybody vote for him rather the CDU? And why did he concentrate in the coalition on undercutting the coalition rather than prioritizing making the bureaucracy more efficient (via digitalization, for instance). I'm also a bit pissed with Volt. Their positions, I like, but they have no chance. Wouldn't they be better throwing their weight behind the Greens and concentrating on the EU elections until they have a bigger following.

Larry Hart said...

So, we can criminalize a legislative vote now? I suppose soon it will be illegal for a presidential elector to vote against a Republican.

How close are we now to the Roman practice of making it a capital offense for a Senator to vote against repealing a certain law?

https://bsky.app/profile/rudepundit.bsky.social

Tennessee GOP supermajority passed a bill that would "criminalize local officials such as city council members or county commissioners who cast a vote for any local immigration 'sanctuary' policy." So that's how fucked it's already getting.

scidata said...

It seems we're living the 21st century history from the TOS "Space Seed" episode (strongmen era). Let's hope for the same outcome.

Der Oger said...

I think Lindner's strategy was stupid.
I believe he entered certain agreements with Döpfner (Springer and by extension Peter Thiel) and the Porsche Family (Porsche, VW) to halt progressive reforms. Also, connections to Atlas and Heritage have been proven.
Follow the money.


I'm also a bit pissed with Volt.

I would extend that to the Pirate Party and maybe Varoufakis' MeRa 25. The only I would exclude is the South Schleswig Voters Cooperation, who represent the Danish minority and can bypass the 5%/3 direct mandate rule.

Der Oger said...

(I voted for Volt in the last EU election, too, though.)

Larry Hart said...

I'd be for sending Elon Musk into space in cryo-freeze.

Der Oger said...

What I noticed: while our descent into authoritarianism is at an earlier stage than in the US, I notice a lack of organized, peaceful protests like here, orchestrated by cooperating churches, unions, clubs and initiatives of all kinds. Does this layer of societal organisation do not exist in the US?
(I also notice it is stronger in the West that in the East, for reasons.)

Larry Hart said...

Does this layer of societal organisation do not exist in the US?

I think it exists less than it used to, say in my father's day in the 1960s and 70s. That's been attributed by various pundits to everything from overwork to solipsism to secularism, but it's pretty obvious that the thing is true.

Another thing is that, at least at the moment, churches and clubs seem to be on board with Trumpism, and strangely enough, so are union members. So to the extent that such societal organization does exist in the US, they're on the wrong side.

Lena said...

The treachery of the unions isn’t that hard to understand if you listen to the fascist propaganda. Fascism always insists on “traditional gender roles,” which means caveman gender roles. Union workers are traditionally big, burly, uneducated men.

Larry Hart said...

I think that unions, by their very nature, are also exclusionary. It's one of those things where "If everyone is a member, then membership loses its importance." For union membership to mean anything, there must be an out-group. That's more in line with right-wing thinking than left-wing--maybe even more important than the left being pro-worker while the right is not.

Forgive my thinking this out on the fly as I type. Perhaps liberals make a mistake thinking that workers see themselves as among the punched-down-against and would be on the side against the down-punchers. Maybe the goal of union membership is to elevate themselves to the level of the bosses and themselves be able to punch down. In that case, pesky equality and justice before the law become counterproductive.

Larry Hart said...

The more I think this through, the more sense it makes that Trump's appeal to groups like blacks and Latinos and working men is about making them feel invited into the big tent of those able to punch down against someone further down the totem pole.

Liberalism tells those people, "We want to eliminate the practice of punching down altogether," while Trumpism told them, "Get aboard the train and you too can punch down!" And a whole bunch of voters said, "Yeah, gotta get me some of that!"

Unknown said...

A lot like watching Babylon Berlin, but you're inside the series.

One of John Barnes' SF novels in his Thousand Cultures series mentions a troubleshooting agency having to root out extrasolar colonies where an AI has enslaved and immiserated its vat-grown human population in order to meet a production goal set in its programming. Only here, we're doing it to ourselves. Directives like 'accumulate all the money' and seize all the political power' override needs like 'retain a working ecosystem' and 'enable a stable and sane populace'*.

Pappenheimer

*assumes a level of human sanity can be reached that defies my historical reading

Treebeard said...

Reading blogs like these, it’s pretty clear that liberals love “punching down” as much as anyone else, it’s just that their targets are “magats”, “deplorables”, “big, burly, uneducated men” and what-not -- count the number of times people call them derogatory names and wish harm and death on them in this very thread. Maybe you don’t notice because it’s a prejudice/hatred/fear that you share. That’s liberalism, baby.

Unknown said...

"You too can reach the top of the crab bucket, if only you climb harder over the backs of your fellow crabs!"

I know it works. It's not like there weren't plenty of freed slaves in ancient Rome who immediately turned around and bought slaves to work to death.

Pappenheimer

P.S. I had a customer, a veteran with 100% disability, gush about how rumpT was the best president since Kennedy. Couldn't even...so many questions!

Larry Hart said...

At the moment, that's punching up, not down. Hate is being directed at those who hold the reins of power, or who support those who do in actively harming us.

And not so much "wish harm and death" as "don't feel sorry for the harm and death they bring upon themselves while meaning it only for us."

So, that's a no.

Lena said...

I just heard from Dr. Brin. He says he had some kind of property damage at home and his bandwidth is low, but we should all persevere

Der Oger said...

Thank you!

Larry Hart said...

Unfortunately, that's probably more common than not. Just as abused children often become abusers themselves, because the goal is not eliminating abuse, but being the one doing it instead of having it done to you. They may not even realize that other possibilities than whip hand vs whipped back exist.

If slavery is taken as a given, then a slave may not even think of his own condition as unjust. He just knows he doesn't like being a slave and aspires to be a slave-owner instead, thinking that that's the whole of the universe of choices.

No doubt, some black people fantasize a world in which blacks have the privileges that whites currently do in this country (Black Panther?), some women fantasize a world in which they run the corporations and government, treating men the way secretaries were treated in the 50s, and some gay men fantasize a world in which they get to raid straight bars and beat up on the heterosexuals. Being on the wrong side of injustice can fire up a drive for justice, but it can also fire up a drive to aspire to the top position. The latter might even be more pervasive.

Larry Hart said...

That's good news and bad news. Good that our host is alive and presumably unharmed. Bad for whatever damage (fire?) he's dealing with. Actually with several posters here being in southern California, I'm surprised we haven't heard more personal tales of woe.

Der Oger said...

Maybe they have become subverted?
I have known that the works councils of companies like Daimler over here have been infiltrated by AfD lists, though the results seem to be those of public elections.
Also, some workers might lean right because of the type of industry (traditional Automobiles vs. EV, for example).

Unknown said...

That is good news.

From OGH's original post:

"...by effectively reviving Marx from his slumber -- all that today's foolish would-be kings ensure is that balance will be restored violently, by revolution."

Malthus may be napping, but Marx doesn't sleep. You tell by all the economists and sociologists out there carefully not mentioning him.

Pappenheimer

Celt said...

And Canada just announced retaliatory tariffs and at red state producers.

Gee, who would have thought that tariffs would result in a trade war?

Gosh, who would have thought that Trump's policies would hurt his his own MAGA supporters the most?

That'll a big slice of karmic justice. And I will enjoy watching those responsible for putting trump in office suffer the most.

scidata said...

Happy Groundhog day.

Larry Hart said...

https://bsky.app/profile/stonekettle.bsky.social/post/3lh4no2uzgk2n

MAGAs who voted for Trump over the cost of eggs, might tell you the cost of groceries isn't going up, but when they think no one's looking at 7:30AM they're at the store panic buying everything they can on credit cards.

These rednecks know what's coming, they know. But they'll endure it and call it genius, so long as it hurts the people they despise too.

Der Oger said...

Seen on Twitter:
MAGA = Meta, Apple, Google, Amazon.

reason said...
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reason said...

In case people wonder about what we are talking about with Volt : https://volteuropa.org/ Basically if they got in the Deutsche Parliament they would vote with the Greens 90% of time. They are currently polling at 2% and need 5% to get in the parliament. Until they get to around 4% they should encourage their voters to support the Greens, otherwise their voters are throwing away their votes. A single transferable vote (preferential) would of course be better (maybe they should gather signatures for that) but until that happens they should encourage tactical voting, especially in the current circumstances.

reason said...

Where is Musk in that?

reason said...

Maybe I should read this book: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-professional-utopians-on-j-bradford-delongs-slouching-towards-utopia/ . I think redistribution is ESSENTIAL to capitalist progress. The history of the last 40 years have not been kind to people who think it is unnecessary. And today the risks of catastrophe are much greater. And we need scientist who say, "Don't do that because..." just as much (perhaps more) as we need engineers with magic cures. As we accumulate better technology, and more knowlege, and get richer, the downsides become bigger than the upsides.

Larry Hart said...

Has any other movie so completely changed the essence of what a particular holiday is. Since the 90s, "Groundhog Day" means a day that repeats itself over and over again. It never meant anything even resembling that prior to the Bill Murray film.

Larry Hart said...

@reason,

How about MAGAt = Meta, Apple, Google, Amazon, tESLA ?

Larry Hart said...

MAGA = Meta, Apple, Google, Amazon.

Speaking of acronyms, someone posted side-by-side portraits of Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka, with the prominent initials D. E. I. beneath each.

That's Q-Anon level free association. I'm impressed, though sorry I didn't think of it first.

matthew said...

As I have pointed out - the chaos in the markets is the effect that Musk and Thiel want. They are not trying to Make America Great Again, they are trying to break US up and sell the parts off.
Musk seizing control of the Treasury so that he says which bills get paid is a sign of the seriousness.
As always, look to who has short positions and who will benefit from the destruction of the dollar and the bond markets.
This is a smash-and-grab crime every bit as much stereotypical as any liquor store robbery.
I've said this for many years - Musk is a criminal. But his cult are too invested in his con to recognize the fact.
I'm now waiting for Musk's inevitable OD. Ket and cocaine has a history of killing idiots.
Keep your eye on who inherits his fortune when his drug use catches up to him.

Larry Hart said...

When, in the course of human events...

Alfred Differ said...

I can't think of one.

There are a couple of Christmas movies that changed the holiday for me, but that was mostly about me shifting from a child's view to an adult. "It's a Wonderful LIfe" is one of them.

Larry Hart said...

@Alfred, yes, that's what I meant. A movie might make you feel differently about Christmas, but Christmas is still Christmas. It might even shift emphasis between commercial Christmas vs religious Christmas, but both of those ideas are already well established.

The movie Groundhog Day made up an entirely new meaning for the term, and that one has stuck ever since. That seems to me to be unique.

Unknown said...

Found a note on another blog:

"Officers I know have been meeting since November to plan what they will do WHEN they get orders to kill protesters. They are also meeting to figure out what to do about all the pro-Trump enlisted.
Protests will not be safe. Any organizing needs to be small and analog."

And remember, it's legal in at least one state to drive over someone blocking a public road.

Pappenheimer

Der Oger said...

Ket and cocaine has a history of killing idiots.
When, in the course of human events...

One of my Cyberpunk RPG plots involves identifying the supplier of such substances to the Board of directors - or a ruling party's politicians - and replacing it with a slow-acting poison.

I would be quite surprised if a number of intelligence services are not currently contemplating certain retirement plans for Musk.

Der Oger said...

A reason why they might wish to remain on the ballot is finances. For every vote cast for a party in the last EU or Federal election, a party gains € 0.86 of funds, but only if they gain 0.5% of the vote at least. For Volt, this means € 880.365,66 for their last result per year, if they keep that result during the next election.

reason said...

The greatest proof of the inefficiency of the CIA is they didn't kill Trump when they had the chance.

reason said...

My family is full of October birthdays. All female (I have almost a full set of female relatives with October birthdays - Mother - Aunt - Sister - Cousin - Niece - Daughter (no grandmother, but oddly a grandfather - born in Scotland). In Australia, January is the main holiday season, which may be relevant.

Der Oger said...

The greatest proof of the inefficiency of the CIA is they didn't kill Trump when they had the chance.
Let me tell you the tale of the Boss of an intelligence service who had to be evacuated hastily after Ukraine was invaded ...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/special-forces-evacuated-german-spy-chief-ukraine-focus-magazine-2022-02-25/

Larry Hart said...

My big question has been what Von Shitzenpantz is trying to achieve with his tariff bluster. The most Occam-friendly answer I can think of is that he intends to offset the cost of tax cuts for billionaires with the tariff revenue. In other words, a tax on non-billionaires to pay for collecting less from billionaires.

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

Trump says poor and middle class Americans are going to feel "pain" in his trade war with Mexico, Canada, and China...

...but that's a sacrifice Trump and the Billionaire class are willing to make.

Der Oger said...

Three additional thoughts:
1) He wants vassals, not allies. He is especially not fond of strong independent states that cannot easily be intimidated into submission, and he his certainly not a friend of the European Union. Divide et impera.
2) Creating chaos to keep internal political enemies (he has no rivals, or political competitors, just personal enemies) of balance, throwing out chaos each day in a dozen new ways, to weaken internal institutions, to tire the observers (who are also enemies), maybe creating situations that can be used as a pretext for the insurrection act.
3) To give what he promised to his crowd. He will find another scapegoat if it does not work as promised, and there will be people who believe it.

Alfred Differ said...

I was at this one today along with my wife, her sister, and my son. The eventually walked over to a different part of town and that's when my family packed up to go home.

It was fun watching the teens learn more about protesting. Some showed up with blank signs and then figured out what they wanted to say. Lots of excitement mixed in with many annoyed people.

Celt said...

Well the stock market has crashed 600 points with Dow futures still falling.

This will be worse than 2008

Much worse.

This time however there is nothing structurally wrong with the economy or the market. No subprime mortgages, no corruption by wall Street banker buddies. No physical reason for the market to crash.

Just Trump's tariffs policies.

Which means Trump is crashing the market deliberately so that the billionaire oligarchs can short the market in the greatest theft in human history.

Normally I would say "follow the money" but you can't do that these days. Soon a tsunami of money will disappear via untraceable Bitcoin into the secret bank accounts of the elites.

And now that fear of going to gitmo (not just being deported back home) - soon to be the biggest concentration camp in history - farm laborers are refusing to show up for work. Only 25% in California.. Food is already rotting in the fields.

This will ruin private and family owned farms and allow billionaires to swoop in and grab prime farm land for pennies on the dollar.

Meanwhile Musk, an unelected billionaire, has seized control of the Treasury department data based with detailed information on every American and their finances. Image what he can do with that info

So let me finish by thanking anyone who voted for Trump or who defends him for making this all possible. And a special thanks to poor white racist MAGAs who will suffer the most. They won't be able to afford groceries, gas homes or obtain insurance or health care. They will suffer badly.

As they deserve to.

Der Oger said...

Meanwhile Musk, an unelected billionaire, has seized control of the Treasury department data based with detailed information on every American and their finances. Image what he can do with that info

I have read that this somehow gives him access to the voting machines. Is that true?

Der Oger said...

Oh, and here we have the names of the pet democrats Trump will keep to maintain the illusion of democratic legitimation.

https://x.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1886064577311396188

The rest might be arrested or invited to a cup of tea.

Larry Hart said...

Katniss Everdeen:

I'm in District 8 where the Capital just bombed a hospital full of unarmed men, women, and children. And there will be no survivors.

If you think...for one second...that the Capital will ever treat us fairly, you are lying to yourselves. Because we know who they are and what they do. THIS is what they do! And we must fight back.

I have a message for President Snow. You can torture us, and bomb us, and burn our districts to the ground. But do you see that? Fire is catching. And if we burn...you burn with us!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZPzZ_NEwEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j972c-yynY

Larry Hart said...

Not sure what you read. It may be possible that he has access to information like when someone has voted and what party they're registered with. I don't see how "access to the voting machines" is physically possible. There's not one integrated system. It's district by district and state by state, and some jurisdictions are still very low tech.

Larry Hart said...

The greatest proof of the inefficiency of the CIA is they didn't kill Trump when they had the chance.

They kill communists, not fascists.

Larry Hart said...

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

Don't worry. He'll grow into the job.
* * *
So ... I guess we weren't alarmists after all.

BRB. Going to check my DMs and email for apologies.
* * *
Elon Musk is a government contractor who takes billions of dollars from the US taxpayer.

We're literally giving him our money to dismantle our government.
* * *
Mitch McConnell. Talk about he absolute sheer fucking audacity of this pinch-faced rheumy-eyed forever Senator complaining about Trump when he's the very racist who blocked appointment of a Supreme Court that could have stopped this, the very same smug condescending Southern-drawl-cliched Foghorn Leghorn Senator who refused to convict Trump at his impeachment, and the hood-wearing Klansman who championed the white nationalist ideology that led directly to Trump. This fucking guy. Seriously.
* * *
The number of "journalists" who've spend the last decade sane washing Trump's unhinged lunacy and the media outlets that so desperately wanted Trump back in office so they could sell clicks and likes and views for big profits, suddenly this morning feigning surprised aghast at the chaos and fascism, oh my! It's a COUP! No one could have foreseen this! This is so bad! What can we do? Bigotry! Hate! Fear! How could this happen?!

I only hope I live long enough to see them go to the wall before me.
...

Larry Hart said...

This might be the kind of thing you were reading about. Emphasis mine.

https://bsky.app/profile/rudepundit.bsky.social

If they can shut down an agency at will, then they can cut off any aid to anyone they like. They can say no federal student loans or grants to students at schools with programs they don't like. They can stop SNAP and Soc Sec to Democratic voters. It's all on the table. That's how fucked we are.


Note, the actual vote a voter cast in an election is not public information, but in many states, his partisan registration is.

Tim H. said...

The existence of the usual suspects is evidence that the vampire chronicles are entertaining fiction, the vampire Marius advised Lestat de Lioncourt to always hunt the evildoer. As distasteful as the stubby fingered vulgarian is, he would not long survive one of Rice's creations on the hunt.

Larry Hart said...

Apparently, FOX Entertainment is pushing the meme that paying more on account of tariffs is patriotic.

Funny, I kind of feel the same way, but for a different reason. I'm willing to pay more as a contribution to Democratic victories in 2026 and 2028.
The Trump voters will be the ones hurting more and squealing the loudest. I can take it. Can they?

Larry Hart said...

Trump apparently just announced holding off for a month on tariffs on Mexico. I suppose anyone who just panic-sold low to a billionaire just got screwed.

sglover said...

I'm not going to waste my time digging through the archives here, but I'm pretty sure that not so long ago -- two years, tops? -- Brin wrote something like, "Leave Elon alone". I wonder if he's reconsidered? Perhaps we can help Musk have his epiphany through an ingenious bet? I'm certain that'll do the trick.

Der Oger said...

Hmmh. That depends if there will be free and unmanipulated elections in 2026 and 2028 at all.

sglover said...

You are stuck in a mindset that has next to no relevance for the world we're in. You're simply repeating assertions about the Harris campaign that are bogus, but *were* faithfully reported by our billionaire-owned media outfits. It was NOT the Dems who were frothing about "the woke" every minute, every day.

Der Oger said...

Thank you!

Larry Hart said...

Are we in 1984 yet?

https://www.threads.net/@theheatherashley/post/DFizihFpO5V

So it’s being alleged that the White House Press Secretary said: "They want you to panic, but President Trump wants you to remember Jesus didn’t have electricity either and he did just fine."

BUT I can’t find any videos of her saying it, which I feel like there would be about a million of them.
* * *
could’ve sworn I had seen a video of her saying it
* * *
Hold on I saw her say it on a video clip but now I can’t find it either ?? Am I genuinely misremembering
* * *
It’s a Muskdela effect. They are making everything disappear.
* * *
I definitely saw the video…this is going to be a LONG four years of Elon tinkering with shit.
...

Larry Hart said...

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

Elon Musk and his team of 18-year-old "engineers" dismantled the US Agency for International Development (USAID).
"spent the weekend feeding USAID into the woodchipper" said Musk. Trump agrees USAID will be completely eliminated. The USAID .gov website is offline this morning.

USAID provided over ~$110 million annually in support to Gaza and the West Bank. In 2024, USAID provided $336 million in additional aid. From now on, $0 to Gaza.

So, tell me, how's that protest vote going? You good?
* * *
Of Note:

USAID was instrumental in resistance to and the ultimate collapse of South African Apartheid.

In case you were wondering why Elon Musk would target this agency at all, let alone FIRST.

Der Oger said...

Another shadow of the things to come. We are in damnatio memoriae territory here
https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle/post/DFkn8mCO2b0

John Viril said...

Celt,

Life distracted me from replying to this thread for many days. There are multiple non-racist/sexist reasons some people might vote for Donald Trump.

1. Immigration Policy: allowing 10 million or so undocumented immigrants to flood the US isn't a viable policy. While I don't support right-wing attempts to vilify undocumented immigrants as murderers and rapists, you ARE creating problems when you can't control your borders.

If you can't stop undocumented immigrants, you aren't stopping drug smugglers and human traffic. Opioids and meth are huge problems. The "spy stuff" implications of an undefended border sound paranoid but could lead to actual nightmare scenarios.

For example, it's not entirely inconceivable that the California fires could have been an asymmetric warfare attack from China or Russia. I have no knowledge such is the case, but it's a possibility that you can't dismiss. I'll point to Star Trek in its attempt to retcon the "Eugenic Wars" postulate that WW3 in its fictional universe was a COVERT war executed by a mix of nation-state agencies and terrorist groups.

2. People who see DEI initiatives as going so far that it's become a program for systemic racism. At the very least, left-wing ideologues have risen to ascendency in the universities and are spreading their social values using cultural bullying. This is, at the very least, a sort of ideological authoritarianism.

3. People who have seen the left-wing abandon the working class in favor of Silicon Valley tech bros and young finance turks with university educations that support DEI and a CRT worldview. If you don't punish the left-wing at the ballot box, they'll continue to ignore your concerns.

Larry Hart said...

Heh. I was right about where this was going.

https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle

Trump announced an hour ago on Truth Social that Canada has surrendered in the Trade War.

I.e. Canada, like Mexico, has agreed to some sort of border security deal and so Trump has decided to hold off on tariffs for now.

I don't know how true any of this fever dream is, I only see it from Trump on TS and not in the mainstream press just yet. But if so, we lowly proletarians might avoid the pain for now, but Trump is going to be utterly insufferable in arrogance.

scidata said...

Probably Canada and Mexico (and others) are playing a delay game, while they furiously line up alternate import/export markets. This won't end well for the US, but that seems to be ok with the powers that be.

Der Oger said...

Six young nerds get the chance to play with the treasury payment system on the orders of a power-drunk Space Nazi Billionaire with ties to the Kremlin and Beijing. What could possibly go wrong? Surely all members of the government, especially those operating in security-sensitive areas, the "protector caste which won the cold war" are paid by a different system, aren't they?

And shouldn't there be at least signs of ... resistance?

Larry Hart said...

Maybe not enough, but a start...

https://bsky.app/profile/charlotteclymer.bsky.social/post/3lhc3pmuojc2g

Senator Andy Kim just went to the USAID building, talked to the security guard there to confirm employees are being barred entry, and then did a press gaggle right there in front to call it out.

This is doing something. This is making an effort on messaging. Other Democratic lawmakers: take notes.


https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/brian-schatz-usaid-state-nominations-block-94f8699e

WASHINGTON—Sen. Brian Schatz (D., Hawaii) said he would place a “blanket hold” on all of President Trump’s State Department nominees until the administration’s attack on the leading U.S. foreign-assistance agency ends, a move that threatens to stall Trump’s ability to get his foreign-policy team in place.

Schatz’s threat came as Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency aims to close the U.S. Agency for International Development; the agency’s existence as an independent government organization is codified in federal law. Over the weekend, DOGE staffers forced their way into USAID’s headquarters in Washington, gaining access to classified information and closing the building to employees on Monday.
...

Lloyd Flack said...

I the impression that they have promised mostly things that they were already in the process of doing and letting Trump pretend to himself and his followers that he won.

Larry Hart said...

@Lloyd Flack,

Yes, Trump had to back down, but the others wisely let him pretend it was a win for him, so he would back down.

Larry Hart said...

I meant to say Von Schitznpantz had to back down...

Larry Hart said...

"Synthian Ambassador Deserts Human Colony"

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Feb04-4.html

To start, it looks like DNI-designate Tulsi Gabbard might make it over the finish line after all. Yesterday, Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), who is still "concerned" about some aspects of Gabbard's past, announced that she would nonetheless vote for confirmation. The Senator's explanation for her decision was, in a word, gobbledegook:

"There are a lot of obvious issues. Her answers to the written questions were very hedged on [Section 702]. I know there's been a lot of reporting that she's changed her position. That's not how I read her answers. I read them as, "I'll take a look at the reforms and see if they meet my concerns."

What does this even mean? We've read it multiple times, and still cannot parse it. It seems that Collins' conclusion is, "Yeah, she kind of lied on her paperwork, but she might change her mind about things, and she might not, and that's good enough for me." In any event, the Senator has once again shown why she will not be appearing in the next edition of Profiles in Courage. And because Collins is not only one of the few Republican votes that can be considered at all swingy, but is also one of the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, her vote will go a long way to getting Gabbard over the hump.

Celt said...

The one thing that will save us is the utter incompetence of the orange buffoon which matches the innate stupidity of those who vote for him.

The 10,000 border federales promised by Mexico? 15,000 are already on the border.

The $1.3 billion in border security upgrades promised by Canada? That was budgeted last year

Trump got nothing but a face saving way to back out of his idiotic tariffs. Some adult (Rupert Murdock?) slapped him around in private. But being a lying sack of shit he is claiming victory.

And the inbred morons that worship him believe his crap.

Lena said...

Last week’s episode of Hidden Brain was about how to deal with randomness, and made the well-supported point that most things are random, and people who claim to deserve their wealth and power owe it primarily to luck. Meritocracy is no less a pipe dream than communism
https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/wellness-2-0-the-art-of-the-unknown/

Paul SB

scidata said...

Gene Barge (b.1926) died yesterday. RIP and thanks for the music.

scidata said...

There's a flip side too. Super talented people who never made it often die alone, broken, and unheralded. A single lucky break or chance meeting might have swung their history (and ours) in an entirely different direction.

matthew said...

Trump's trade war with Mexico and Canada seems to be on hold.

However, the export restrictions from China that were announced this morning feel personal to me - Xi went after a number of elements used in my profession.

Contingency plans in place, of course, but this is a big one that will be ignored by the press.

https://apnews.com/article/china-tariffs-us-trump-150fab3a44ec055845e47c82bde544c2

Tungsten and Molybdenum are the two big hits to alloys for instance.

Other industries will feel the pain from the other exclusions.

Also, Google gets hit directly by Xi, but not Tesla, Meta, or Amazon.
Funny that, almost like Xi likes what they are up to...

Der Oger said...

Funny that, almost like Xi likes what they are up to...
Xi might be betting on the Marxist endgame and a communist revolution (or at least class-based upheaval) in the US. I have seen him to be categorized as a true believer, even with all masks he wears (at least, up until the point when it comes to his own person. He is paranoid that someone might replace him like he replaced his predecessors, and might have taken a stance that the revolution should be less perpetual.)

Larry Hart said...

Our host certainly must have the right of it about blackmail, concerning the reversals of Susan Collins, Bill Cassidy, and Joni Ernst on their confirmation votes. I can't believe that a mere threat of a primary challenge two years from now is enough to force someone to vote against the power of his/her own position.

Either someone has donkey pictures, or they've been promised a seat on the Mars escape craft.

Der Oger said...

I can't believe that a mere threat of a primary challenge two years from now is enough to force someone to vote against the power of his/her own position.

Or maybe it is fear. Maybe they exactly know what will happen to those who not bow before Emperor Donald I.

matthew said...

It is the extreme cowardice of the democratic leadership that burns me the most. Chuck Schumer believes that the Senate should take no action to oppose the Trump agenda because it gives Trump a target. He believes that the democrats will sweep the 2026 election cycle because of Trump's tactical mistakes.

I believe Chuck is a centrist idiot.

I do not think we will have meaningful 2026 elections if there is a chance that the oligarchs would lose power after them. SCOTUS and the DoJ will see to that.

Tony Fisk said...

Let Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez bring a bit of sense to the chaos.

Lena said...

Scidata,

Exactly. It's not just that they die broken, they live their lives broken, and die years younger than they could have. They are taught by society to see themselves as utter failures, and the damage that does to brains and many other organs causes them to lose both the abilities they had and their motivation to even try. That is very much a big part of why meritocracy is elephant shit. Huge numbers of the "winners" did little or nothing to deserve it, and vast numbers of people who are worthwhile human beings are forced into meaningless lives of drudgery to support the rich and powerful. As Voltaire said: the comfort of the rich depends on the misery of the poor.

Paul SB

scidata said...

Which is why "Those Who Walk Away from Omelas" is so powerful. Discussed at TASAT I think.

reason said...

Larry, particularly in the case of Susan Collins, she must know she has no chance of reelection.

reason said...

So where are all the Trump derangement syndrome guys now? Tacitus?

reason said...

There is a Trump derangement syndrome though. It is all those boiled frogs twisting in knots trying to justify what was previously unthinkable.

Der Oger said...

Very good.
"Do not obey in advance."

Tim H. said...

In deference to republicans, "Fred's burst prophylactic" ran as a sort of one, they didn't know he was "Space Karen's" puppet. It's only in retrospect that I think Elon sees the Federal government as an acquisition, those who voted for "Von Shitzenpants"* have more excuse.
*Thanks LH!?.

Tim H. said...

John Gruber posted an interesting link on his Daring Fireball blog Monday and an excerpt, here's the link:
https://www.lbjlibrary.org/life-and-legacy/the-lbj-the-nation-seldom-saw
In short, (Formerly) GOP derangement about Democrats goes back a long time.

Der Oger said...

I would not consider China a "win", since they have put export controls on rare earths.

When Annalena Baerbock, our current Foreign Secretary, talked about military threats to the West, the Chinese Defense Secretary is reported to have said:
"We do not have to threaten you militarily. We can just cut of the supply with antibiotics."

The CCP plays the long game, not the Twitter game.

Der Oger said...

Russian sabotage operation foiled:
https://www.bluewin.ch/en/news/international/german-authorities-suspect-russia-behind-series-of-car-sabotages-2548680.html

CDU down to 28% in two polls, AfD under 20 in one. The Left is in parliament again.

18 days to go.

Larry Hart said...

Tim H:

"Von Shitzenpants"*
*Thanks LH!?.


I'm certainly running with that one, but I can't claim it as original. IIRC, it was actually part of Michael Cohen's testimony on Capitol Hill. He claimed that the folks backstage at The Apprentice referred to Trump that way.

One of the Republicans questioning Cohen brought it up, I suppose intending to make Cohen look biased. But the Congressional Record now has a reference to Donald Trump as "Von Schitzenpantz".

(My preferred spelling ends with a "z", but YMMV)

Larry Hart said...

Or the "Elon says bad things but he does good things" contingent?

Tim H. said...

The CCP plays a very long term game indeed, we once had the capabilities, but now, it'll be start from scratch. Even if they have the facility blueprints on hand, they mostly won't have the architects and engineers who truly understood them, think about how it went when Boeing attempted a larger, modernized Apollo command module? And they should've had the IP on hand.

Tim H. said...

Apparently, I misremembered. I mostly work from memory, and I'm old enough for that to involve some risk. BTW, this part of Greater Kansas City has ice today, hope Chicago's livable today.

Larry Hart said...

But...

those who voted for "Von Shitzenpants"* have more excuse.

Their only excuse is willful ignorance. Those of us outside the cult knew exactly what kind of train wreck Trump would be, even for his supporters and their supposed reasons for supporting him. Now, as Orwell noted, they're bumping up against solid reality on a battlefield.

Larry Hart said...

hope Chicago's livable today.

We're supposed to get some ice too, but not* as much as you are. And not until this evening.

* God willing and the creek don't rise.

Alan Brooks said...

They hate Fauci:

https://eadn-wc04-11032743.nxedge.io/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Fauci-Musk-Comparison.jpg

Larry Hart said...

Still gotta love the snark.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2025/Items/Feb05-2.html

Maybe we have related this story before, but we don't think we did. If our memory is in error, sorry. Anyhow, about 15 years ago, there was a Christian-based website that had paid for a subscription to the Associated Press' stories, and that had a bot that auto-posted AP news and sports stories to the site. However, before the stories were posted, they were run through a filter that replaced certain terms with more "Christian-friendly" language. As a result, game wraps for Patriots games were "auto-corrected" in a manner that was, shall we say, sub-optimal. That is because the team, at that time, had a running back named Randall Gay. And this website ended up the butt of national jokes when its bot auto-changed a headline so that it read: "Randy Homosexual Reaches End Zone."

Unknown said...

Can anyone see today's atmospheric C02 at Mauna Loa?

Looks like my ox has been gored. A news article said that the 'scientist' that OK'd the Sharpie Hurricane Reforecast is going to be put in charge of NOAA.

Where's that guy that was extolling P2025 a few months back on this blog? Was he in favor of shutting down the Hurricane Center and selling off NOAA? Are Americans going to need to pay to find out where the next one is heading? Because this is not progress. This is stupidity - nay, this is willful malice.

Pappenheimer
P.S. the Hurricane Center website is up. For now.

Der Oger said...

Remember, keeping anyone on edge and constantly angered, worried, anxious and fearful is part of the playbook. It is a marathon, not a sprint.

Der Oger said...

A proposal for Dr. Brin: Use your personal network of wealthy people and nerds to work on a website were all Information that has been lost or is suppressed now can be Made accessible.

Start with the Constitution, then Healthcare, then envoronmental data. Make it nonpartissn, apolitical per se - just the data.

It will be villified enough.

Der Oger said...

Larry, there is a Low German - my second language I speak - term that sounds and means the same, "Shietinnebüx".
Also, the Term "Herr von und zu" usually is used for an arrogant and/or lazy Person and douchebag.
So, it's Donald von un tau Shietinnebüx.
:-)

matthew said...

I would suggest Wikipedia, but Musk and the GOP have already targeted that website for harassment and deletion.
Musk was attacking it back when Dr. Brin and others here were still in the thrall of the man.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/23/why-is-elon-musk-attacking-wikipedia-because-its-very-existence-offends-him

GMT-5 said...

In the heart of the beast here. I am an IRS employee who is still in a probationary period. The warnings that the administration might announce that all probationary employees are terminated leave me in suspense. My first pay period started on Sunday, 02/11/2024 and my first day of work was the next day. That means my probation ends at the end of the business day on 02/11/2025...less than one week away.

I just talked with my manager; no one knows what is going to happen. Needless to say, this has a negative impact our our productivity. There is a subordinate in my Reserve unit who is part of the Trump transition team in my home state. He says I have nothing to worry about; that it will take the administration time to process the paperwork to terminate probationary employees. But I know that all government agencies were ordered to provide lists by Jan 24 of all employees in probationary periods.

Time will tell. Assuming I am not terminated, my wife and I will go to a very nice steak house for dinner and adult beverages (it is just 1,200 feet from our house as the crow flies; 1,500 feet if we walk instead of fly). Bexley, Ohio. I love it. I hope I don't have to move 100 miles to Cincinnati where my office is.

matthew said...

Best of luck beating back the DOGE idiot(s).
We need more IRS agents more than we need more billionaires.

Lena said...

In “Those Who Walk Away…” all the peace and prosperity of many was on the back of one miserable child. The real world is many orders of magnitude worse. Of course conservatives just assume that this is the harsh reality and nothing can be done to make it better. The narrative since at least the Cold War has been that want only pie in the sky stuff that sounds really nice but aren’t actually possible, while conservatives are in possession of the cold, hard facts - what they like to call common sense.

More and more the science is proving that their “common sense” is nothing more than the assumptions that undergird the status quo, and is often flat out wrong. I’m about a third of the way through a book called “Gender and Our Brains: How New Neuroscience Explodes the Myths of Male and Female Minds.” It’s pretty well thrashed most of what people call “common sense” about sex and gender. One of the revealing cold, hard facts about the male vs female brain studies is that the great majority of findings that are statistically significant turn out to have tiny effect sizes, on the order of 0.2 to 0.3. What this means is that the overlap between brains in male bodies and brains in female bodies is between 75 and 85%. Put another way, only 15 to 25% of individuals actually match the findings.

The focus of this book is on gender and sex, but a lot of the research on brains applies to supposed differences in SES. The idea that rich and powerful people are just naturally better than everyone else is not at all supported by the cold, hard facts. Every year new studies show that human brains are far more flexible than we have always been told. Brains are adaptation devices, they have to be flexible. Neurogenesis used to be a fairy tale, until they found it happening in stroke patients, then in babies, then in adults. Now it’s proven that it happens throughout the life cycle. Leopards may not be able to change their spots, but human brains change constantly. Once again, this shoots the hell out of the meritocracy myth that supports rich conservatives

locumranch said...

For the future historical record, perhaps an entry level bureaucrat like GMT-5 could tell us exactly of what his so-called 'productivity' consists ??

It's been said that those of us who participate in the civilised world 'stand on the shoulders of giants', and that's true in a purely feudal & hierarchical sense, as the food producer often supports the craftsman, scholar, warrior & bureaucrat in an near synergistic sense, until -- and, this 'until' is inevitable -- the random 'shoulder stander' eschews productivity in order to evolve into an overt non-contributory parasite.

And, PARASITISM is where we are now, as this is what western government has become, a preponderance of blood thirsty paper-shuffling bureaucratic ticks who bleed us & our respective economies dry.

Sheep Dip is what our intellectual class fears most, and it's long overdue.

You best get your affairs in order.


Best
____

I've never understood a CO2 monitoring site on top of Mauna Loa, an active volcano that emits CO2 like a giant exhaust pipe, as this sounds like outright scientific fraud to me.

Or, maybe I should start measuring global O2 concentrations by measuring physiological end-expiratory O2 levels?

Gosh! Global O2 levels are plummeting by this standard and your only hope for survival is to OBEY ME in all respects and give me large cash infusions STAT.

Larry Hart said...

Feature or bug?

https://bsky.app/profile/rudepundit.bsky.social

New via NYT — The CIA sent the White House an unclassified email listing all employees hired by the spy agency over the last two years to comply with an executive order to shrink the federal work force. One former agency officer called the reporting of names a “counterintelligence disaster.”

Larry Hart said...

Der Oger:
there is a Low German - my second language I speak - term that sounds and means the same, "Shietinnebüx".


I was actually cognizant of not offending you (personally) when I refrained from kidding on the square that "Shitzenpantz" sounded like the kind of compound word that might actually exist in German.

Unknown said...

Loc,
Re: Mauna Loa
This is unbelievably unthinking even for you. (I use 'unthinking' as a nicety for other words than came to mind.)

First, Mauna Loa was last active in 2022.
Second, the C02 measurement show a consistent increase over time, slowly building up. Do you somehow think that any CO2 emanating from Mauna Loa hangs around the mountain, rather than dissipating into the general atmosphere? Does the seasonal CO2 variation mean that the volcano is more or less active depending on the month? Finally, do you think that a steady increase in atmospheric CO2 can in any way be correlated with the emissions of a volcano that has periods of activity and inactivity and does not show a steady increase in vulcanism?

Dammit, Jim, I'm a meteorologist, not an atmospheric scientist OR a vulcanologist, but this is very simple stuff. When there are eruptions near sea level (usually at Kilauea, the most active area), you can smell the sulfur at sealevel in Hilo* if the wind is right; if it isn't erupting, you can't. Speaking of winds, the trade wind run right over the Big Island and near-constantly pull s any local emissions away. That's why they still burn coal here for electricity , though they are switching to wind over time.

*ask me how I know.

Pappenheimer

Celt said...

I'm thinking that everyone, democrat and republican, is letting Trump hang himself with one idiotic idea after another.

The easily manipulated narcissistic fool responds only to flattery. "Yes sir Mr. President, taking over Gaza is brilliant statesmanship." "You're right sir, tariffs won't wreck the economy." "Great idea sir, musk's team of computer whiz kids is doing a great job at Treasury."

And when his numbers fall below 30 after his moronic programs fuck over his own poorly educated rural red state voters, TPB can finally be rid of him. The 25th would allow him to be gone while preserving the legend for his dimwitted worshipers ("Sad but he is no longer the man he was").

Unknown said...

(grumbling) Never going to get out of the boat again....just wasted 2 minutes reading Loc that I will never get back, going cold turkey...

Along with all the other stuff going on, the US Senate is is converting itself along the lines of the very late Roman Republic, as a butt-kissing brigade for the Dear Leader. At least in the Nixon years, they had some sense of power. Not that I'm recommending that rumpT gets JC'd at the next SOU, but do they have to be so shameless? You just know that nearly all senators of any flavor have little but contempt for the Lame Duck L'Orange. I wonder if Mitch McConnell has any remorse in whatever is left of his brain for being a prime enabler in destroying the seat of his own power (I assume he cares next to nothing about the fate of the nation).

Pappenheimer

P.S. GMT:
Cincy isn't that bad a town. I used to have friends there, probably still do. Nice museum. But as a fellow WFH (if I read you aright), I feel for you. Moving isn't fun, and moving because some neo-nazi gets a bug up their reich-wing rectum would be even less.

P.P.S. starting to wonder if I can reactivate Singaporean citizenship....

matthew said...

Fuck off with the threats, asshole.
I'm armed and trained.
Threaten us at your own risk, Nazi.

Unknown said...

We seem to be too dependent on rich folks to do good stuff. Now, a more redistributive economy with more money and leisure time for the middle and (gasp) even the lower class to actually look into and support causes* would be preferable, but this seems to be a Catch-22.
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*of course that would mean less money for billionaires to use on controlling the government and pushing neofascism, so win/win.

Pappenheimer

Larry Hart said...

I've been sober for 16 months now. Just sayin' it can be done.

duncan cairncross said...

Larry Hart
I am still here - Musk has done 10,000 times as much "Good" as he has "Bad"
Although he does appear to be working on that!

Re - the strange goings on at various government departments

Kevin Drum has an idea that Musk is trying to put an analysis system in place - so people can analyse what is happening

That is one of the things that I did back in the late 90’s - for engine manufacture, engine test, warranty and BIS repairs

The engineers could download the data and fuck around to their hearts content - but they could NOT change anything!

That database saved us millions - we found all sorts of things that were going wrong “under the radar” not people being dishonest - just issues that were hidden in the fog and not visible to the old ways of analysing the data

If Kevin Drum is correct then I would say that was a very good idea!!

Do the analysis - THEN the actual changes should be down to your Congress

And Musk is an expert on that type of thing

Tony Fisk said...

You really think the departments Musk has targetted haven't already got analysis systems in place?

You're out of excuses for this hero of yours.

locumranch said...
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locumranch said...


About Mauna Loa CO2 measurements, emanations & dissipation rates:

Our friend Pappy waves away many legitimate questions, among them being (1) the CO2 measurement technique utilized & its limitations, (2) the environmental conditions which include temperature, pressure & certain contaminants and (3) the effect of variable volcanic off-gassing despite a 'gradual increase' in CO2 documented over time.

As a medical provider, I can also tell you that the NDIR measurement technique for CO2 is extremely intolerant of environmental fluctuations (temperature; pressure) and notoriously inaccurate in the presence of methane & other contaminants, as found atop Mauna Loa & every other volcano.

You know that volcanoes are high emitters of methane, right? And, that CO2 dissipation is directly dependent on temperature & atmospheric pressure gradients as in the Ideal Gas Law?

So, where are these non-existent Mauna Loa temperature, pressure & methane concentrations that could validate these flawless CO2 readings??

And where are all those CO2 concentration spikes which 'should have' appeared in the data during the 1984 and 2022 eruptions??

Now, off with you & your shitty science:

Act like every other Climate Alarmist and retreat to your 'soon-to-be-submerged' sea level retirement paradise in Singapore, just like the other Climate Alarmists who also prefer oceanfront property.

Your position would have been so much stronger if you had just agreed that CO2 monitoring on top of a live volcano was a shitty idea from the get-go.


Best
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Self-identifying as a Marxist who feels entitled to the wealth & productivity of others, Matthew issues murderous threats.... SOP for a cult which has already claimed +100 Million lives in the 20th Century alone.

I personally favour a non-denominational form of the Benedict Option (which involves social withdrawal & self-sufficiency), but to each his own, as it would appear that the Marxist is an obligate parasite which cannot survive without his host. Hence their chant: 'Eat the Rich'.

Lena said...

The easiest way to identify a fascist is that they claim that their opponents are Marxists, communists, and/or socialists (most of them don't even know that these are different things, and are clueless what any of them mean). All through the Cold War the nations of the West downplayed the fact that fascism is at its base an anti-marxist movement, to the point that vast numbers of people today think that fascism is just another name for antisemitism. Having run into these morons on a very regular basis, I went through "Mein Kampf" and extracted a tiny smattering of quotes that mention Marxism directly. After posting them, I usually don't hear from the fascists again.

Mein Kampf Quotes on Marxism

It was during this period that my eyes were opened to two perils, the names of which I scarcely knew hitherto and had no notion whatsoever of their terrible significance for the existence of the German people. These two perils were Marxism and Judaism.

It is impossible to say when I might have started to make a thorough study of the doctrine and characteristics of Marxism were it not for the fact that I then literally ran head foremost into the problem.

And so at the age of seventeen the word 'Marxism' was very little known to me, while I looked on 'Social Democracy' and 'Socialism' as synonymous expressions. It was only as the result of a sudden blow from the rough hand of Fate that my eyes were opened to the nature of this unparalleled system for duping the public.

The man who has come to know this race has succeeded in removing from his eyes the veil through which he had seen the aims and meaning of his Party in a false light; and then, out of the murk and fog of social phrases rises the grimacing figure of Marxism.

Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to read articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous stuff. From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I recalled to mind the names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then I realized that most of them belonged to the Chosen Race--the Social Democratic representatives in the Imperial Cabinet as well as the secretaries of the Trades Unions and the street agitators. Everywhere the same sinister picture presented itself. I shall never forget the row of names--Austerlitz, David, Adler, Ellenbogen, and others. One fact became quite evident to me. It was that this alien race held in its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic Party with whose minor representatives I had been disputing for months past. I was happy at last to know for certain that the Jew is not a German.

The Jewish doctrine of Marxism repudiates the aristocratic principle of Nature and substitutes for it the eternal privilege of force and energy, numerical mass and its dead weight. Thus it denies the individual worth of the human personality, impugns the teaching that nationhood and race have a primary significance, and by doing this it takes away the very foundations of human existence and human civilization. If the Marxist teaching were to be accepted as the foundation of the life of the universe, it would lead to the disappearance of all order that is conceivable to the human mind. And thus the adoption of such a law would provoke chaos in the structure of the greatest organism that we know, with the result that the inhabitants of this earthly planet would finally disappear.

Democracy, as practised in Western Europe to-day, is the fore-runner of Marxism. In fact, the latter would not be conceivable without the former. Democracy is the breeding-ground in which the bacilli of the Marxist world pest can grow and spread. By the introduction of parliamentarianism, democracy produced an abortion of filth and fire (Note 6), the creative fire of which, however, seems to have died out.

Paul SB

duncan cairncross said...

Tony Fisk
YES I do believe that those departments DO NOT have anything resembling a modern analysis system in place
They are using a god awful collection of old legacy computer systems - which is zero surprise given the way that they are run and funded

The American problem is confusion between those that "Do" - who should be the experts who work their way up or else independent contractors
And those who "Lead" - who should be elected
You guys insist on electing the "doers" rather than just the "leaders"

Der Oger said...

No, I would not feel offended by that.

On the contrary, I find it rather important to keep a shred of humor in these times, and I notice that people of the authoritarian kind often cannot laugh at themselves.

What Niemöllers poem forgets is that they came for the satirists and cabarettists first, too.

Der Oger said...

Assuming I am not terminated, my wife and I will go to a very nice steak house for dinner and adult beverages

Do it in either case. I have the distinct feeling that working for that institution for the next years might become unpleasant for people with a shred of conscience, and that one might be ordered to go after Trumps perceived enemies, not the crooks.

On the other hand, you could just quietly fit in and collect information and evidence for the day the IRS has to be transformed back into it's original purpose.

Celt said...

I don't give a fuck about my volcano readings. The data is nice to have. But there is data that is far more important.

I care about insurance premiums.

Insurance companies are not stupid. They don't deny climate change and it's disastrous effects

Tony Fisk said...

Volcanoes are not a significant source of either carbon dioxide or methane. Furthermore, the Mauna Loa station isn't the only one out there. It's readings are corroborated by places like Cape Grim (nowhere near a volcano), whose readings follow the same rising pattern, with seasonal changes of spring and autumn, albeit a little delayed (being in the Southern Hemisphere might have something to do with that)
Since I'm here, I will also point out that:
1. the increase in CO2 corresponds to a decrease in O2. What process causes O2 to be replaced by CO2? Where is that carbon coming from?
2. the variations in C13 abundance points to the source being organic. The biome takes in carbon via photosynthesis, which favours C12. Volcanoes are notoriously inorganic.
3. Reduction in C14 is significant. It forms in the atmosphere from cosmic rays interacting with N14 nuclei. It is radioactive, with a half-life of around 22,000 years. A carbon source isolated from the atmosphere would have virtually no C14 after only a million years, which matches what is seen in atmospheric CO2.

So, the CO2 appears to come from combustion of an organic source from underground. Burning fossil fuels, or the exhalations of billions of mole people waiting to emerge on the doge's command, perhaps?

Tony Fisk said...

Then Lord help us if those slick young lads delving into the 'old legacy' USAID systems are fiddling with FORTRAN or COBOL, which I doubt they've ever met in the wild.
...or C on an AS/400, which is like no C Kernighan and Ritchie ever encountered!

I'm interested, though: what would you expect in a 'modern analysis system'?

Larry Hart said...

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scidata said...

There are a lot of software fiefdoms in gov-ops. Lots of *gulp* Windows/Office, and managers do love their Macs. Attempts at standardization often begin and end at state borders. At least it was thus back in the day (I'm old).

There's even a tale of one of the big national laboratories once being exclusively run as a FORTH shop.

Larry Hart said...

There's a Phillip Roth alt-history novel--I forget which title just now--in which Charles Lindbergh won the presidency in 1940 and kept the US out of WWII. Most of the plot involved the subsequent isolation and purging of Jews in America, but toward the climax, the US is about to enter the war on the Axis side (before FDR pulls a coup and saves the day).

I'm feeling more and more as if the setting was just 80 years too early.

Larry Hart said...

@duncan,

Either you or my lying eyes and ears must be mistaken. One of us is delusional to a frightening degree. I acknowledge that it might be me, but in any case, we'll find out fairly soon.

locumranch said...

More on Volcanism & CO2 measurement:

Volcanoes are not a significant source of either carbon dioxide or methane.

Cognizant of the fact that even minuscule amounts of CO2 & methane contaminants can adversely effect the accuracy of NDIR-mediated CO2 measurement, please define your use of the term 'significant'.

Furthermore, the Mauna Loa('s) readings are corroborated by places like Cape Grim (nowhere near a volcano), whose readings follow the same rising pattern.

Again, you failed to prove either the accuracy or the validity of your CO2 data, especially when NDIR is notorious unreliable (both in the field & at the bedside) in the presence of contaminants like methane.

https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends_ch4/

Per NOAA documentation, there's been a gradual & global increase in atmospheric methane concentrations since industrialization (over 200% & climbing), but still no proof of the NDIR-mediated CO2 measurements are in any way 'specific' (as in 'specificity') for what you claim to be measuring.

Can you prove your claim?

Prove to me that all of your 'corroborated' NDIR-mediated CO2 reading from around the world are accurately measuring CO2 rather than methane (or an admixture of the two).



Best

locumranch said...

https://sps-support.honeywell.com/s/article/Does-CO2-NDIR-sensor-have-any-cross-sensitivity-for-CH4

Honeywell, the preeminent manufacturer of NDIR sensors, proves my point rather eloquently when asked about CO2 sensor specificity:

We dont have test data for the response of CO2 NDIR sensor to CH4

Larry Hart said...

Malcolm Nance doesn't hold back. And yes, the MAGAts are complete hypocrites on their "color-blind society" where everyone is judged on merit without regard to identity groups. Except that if you belong to an identity group other than white Christian male, you must be a DEI hire. The only ones allowed to merit anything without regard to identity group are those belonging to their preferred identify group.

Yes, I'm pushing back on the idea that they aren't racist or misogynist because they're ok with mixed race couples in commercials. Single-minded hatred of nerds doesn't explain the war on "DEI" and on trans people which won them election across the board.

And the claim that we drove them to vote for Trump by calling Trump voters racist is dubious. It implies that people who wouldn't otherwise have been Trump voters were so offended by what we said about Trump voters that they then, after the fact, became Trump voters.

https://malcolmnance.substack.com/p/in-the-trump-white-house-no-spies

...
In a stunning display of what I called WEI, White equity, and inclusion, Trump used his incompetent, unqualified, drunken frat bro Pete Hesgeth to issue orders that would essentially turn the United States Department of Defense into a white supremacist organization.

The Pentagon ordered all branches and commands to withdraw and eliminate any recognition of the contributions of women and minorities in the defense of this nation. Two hundred forty-nine years of teamwork and searching for equality were thrown into the dustbin of history.
...
I feel we are all going into a battle, but many have not yet realized there may be no going back to the America we once loved. Racism, hatred, and white supremacy have been revealed as ingrained in 40% of America. They will fight us to retain their evil power.

Will we survive as a nation? That’s entirely up to us now.

Larry Hart said...

I think it's safe to use Hitler analogies now. From the Substack article linked above...

The only reason the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee voted for her to go to the full Senate vote was because two critical Republican senators expressed private worries over threats to their lives and those of their families. The MAGA thugs threatened to kill them. So, they voted the way Donald Trump wanted.

Larry Hart said...


Oh, it gets worse. We have learned just today that the White House ordered the CIA to send Trump a list of all of its newly hired agents for the last two years, WITH THEIR REAL NAMES, OVER AN UNCLASSIFIED EMAIL SYSTEM. I swear to God, the fucking idiot sent it in an unclassified email. Though the names were reduced to full first name, middle initial, and a single letter of the last name, any competent intelligence agency or journalist could identify every person hired into the clandestine service. \And just like that, Trump burned every spy we just hired. He did not just destroy the people in those sensitive positions, but those who trained them, those who have been friends to them, and their relatives both in the United States and overseas. Donald Trump has just essentially sentenced them to death, and it will be a Hercules effort for the CIA to return them all to the United States before someone takes a bullet to the brain or is kidnapped.

Tony Fisk said...

Prove to me that all of your 'corroborated' NDIR-mediated CO2 reading from around the world are accurately measuring CO2 rather than methane (or an admixture of the two).

Well, I'm as much of a climate scientist as you are (although I do hold a Masters degree in physics, and know a bit about spectral analysis).

The Cape Grim site does use NDIR to continuously monitor atmospheric CO2 (noting variations due to seasons, the El Nino Southern Oscillation and... yes, global vulcanism. Maybe CSIRO knows something about this?).

They also use gas chromatography. (Correlation with other techniques? How dare they!?)

Wikipedia gives a pretty good description of how a Non-Dispersive Infra Red detector operates: a broad specrum infra red light source illuminates a column of gas/atmosphere, which absorbs according to its content. The light passing through the column is filtered at a wavelength of interest and the remainder used to calculate concentrations.

You will note that the absorption bands of CO2 and methane are quite distinct from each other.

While NDIRs are used widely, it is true that they may be affected by conditional variations like temperature, humidity and other gases. It is also true that scientists are well aware of these factors, and have developed compensating strategies.

Larry Hart said...

Egg humor...

This afternoon, my wife made hard boiled eggs for lunch. I tried (unsuccessfully) to have her auction them on e-Bay rather than eating them.

Shopping this evening, I picked up a dozen eggs at what looked like a bargain price compared to what I've seen lately. Turns out that's because they were brown eggs instead of white eggs, the latter of which were going for the normal price these days. I guess there's not so much demand for DEI eggs.

In an episode of the 1960s Batman tv show, the villainous Egghead (played by Vincent Price in a bald wig) kidnapped Commissioner Gordon, and demanded as ransom a 10 cent egg tax on every egg eaten in Gotham City. Waffle House is currently following suit.

scidata said...

Up here, brown eggs are preferred because of their thicker shell and membrane. And that, in an eggshell, is the difference between us.

Tim H. said...

The thickness of eggshells has little to do with pigment, lots to do with nutritional deficiency. Allow a white leghorn hen to free range and her eggshells will be thicker also, and the yolks a darker yellow.

scidata said...

Yes, correlation is not causation. Maybe brown eggs are more often free range and/or better fed, at least those I find in the stores here. Whatever the reason, they are definitely stronger though. I boil two almost every morning, and they crack at 1/4 the rate of white.

Larry Hart said...

https://www.threads.net/@beingliberal/post/DFvltEMyl4n


2 + 2 = 22 and if you think that this is a wrong answer, this video is for you.

Be sure to watch through to the punchline.

Der Oger said...

Let's do a mind experiment. We have around 4 million people in the armed forces and in the intelligence community. Since these jobs lean to more conservative people, assume that just 25% are really pissed of now, to pick a number.
That's 1 million people who know how to use guns, cyber and to commit crimes professionally.
Of these, a percentage of people will radicalize - say, 5-10%.

You now have a base insurgent force of 50.000 to 100.000 people.They certainly know how to do harm and provoke an overreaction, which will bring more people to their banner - and with the force thought to contain insurgences severely weakened and even demoralized, and led by incapable yes-men, we are in for interesting times.

But when? I assume that a large number of individuals has already prepared themselves or has had conversations with like-minded people.
They will certainly need a month or three to stomach the schock of Trumps first weeks, muster resolve and plan before they act.

Billionaires like Buffet already prepare for a crash. They might also build private militias to protect their assets and enforce their interests.

Add to that the number of existing militias, violent street gangs, angry protesters,militarized police officers, foreign actors and radicalized lone wolves, and we easily do not face a single powder keg, but a mountain of them.

And the fuse is lit.

Der Oger said...

American Sharia Police incoming.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/06/trump-task-force-christian-religious/78286967007/

Celt said...

I've been watching on the news interviews with Arab Americans (mostly in Dearborn, MI) about their regrets about Trump's plans for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

To which I respond, eff you you freaking morons who voted for Trump, stayed home or worse voted for Putin stooge Jill Stein. All because Harris wasn't perfect enough for you on the issue of Gaza. Or more truthfully, your traditional culture could not stomach a woman as president, so you latched on to Gaza as an excuse to tell the pollster so you would not have to reveal the real reason why you supported Trump.

You aren't alone. Trump voters claimed they were motivated by the price of eggs (gee, have they come down yet?) so they would not have to openly admit that there was no way in hell they were ever going to vote for a black woman for president.

How stupid do you have to be to believe anything said by Donald "total Muslim ban" Trump, or think for a moment that he had your best interests at heart. Stupid can't be fixed. Stupid deserves what it gets. A wow do you morons deserve every ounce of all the pain and suffer coming at you.

Same for farmers, and I'm not even talking about tariffs and deportations. Gutting USAID will cost American farmers billions. So eff you too. You also deserve all the pain and suffering coming at you.

Latinos for Trump? Tell me have they deported your tio or abuela yet?

Blacks for Trump? Where do I start. Or do do you still think maybe the MAGA GOP will think you are "one of the good ones"?

Same for red state MAGA consumers. Have fun affording gas, groceries, housing or insurance (assuming it is even available). Your suffering will be fun to watch.

Me? I'm a nearly retired straight white Christian professional male with a 7 figure 401k. I'm going to do great under Trump. The irony of which will simply add to my enjoyment of watching your tears.

We warned you.

You didn't listen.

Morons.

Celt said...

Immigration isn't racist? Do you seriously think that anyone would notice or care if migrants came from Scandinavia instead of Latin American?

Did you ever stop to think why DEI was needed in the first place? Trying to stop bigotry, misogyny and racism is cultural bullying?

Silicon Valley tech bros? Have you not heard about Trump's boss Elon Musk?

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