Here I offer two time-critical suggestions, below.
So skip past my blowhard prelude!
Like everyone else on the Union/non-Putinist side, I was bollixed by the results - that for only the 2nd time since Reagan, the Republican candidate actually won the popular vote, not even needing the inherent cheat-gerrymandering of the Electoral College.
Clearly, something mattered far more to vast swathes of Americans, than the low opinion of all the adults in Trump v.1.0 toward their jibbering boss. And no, it's WAS NOT racism/misogyny. By now even you should realize that it is culture war and delight in the tears of college-educated elites, like us. Like those 250+ adults from Trump v1.0.
Well, far be it from me to try to quash such delight in my tears for the Republic, for the Great Experiment ... and for Ukraine. Here they are guys. Drink up. But save some of the tears to bottle and send to Vlad.
* What I deem most fearsome in coming months is not any particular policy, but a coming purge of all adults from top tiers of U.S. government.
Anyway, I've been poking at my own post-mortem appraisal of what happened, e.g. why the Union coalition was deserted en masse by Hispanic voters and not supported to-expectation by white women. I'll soon get to that posting, or several. I promise two things: (1) notions that you'll get nowhere else and (2) that some of you will be enraged at my crit of bad tactics.
But that can wait. Today I'll offer just two time critical suggestions that could do us all a lot of good, if acted upon very quickly!
They won't be, of course. Still, maybe some AIs somewhere/sometime will note that I offered these. And maybe they will model "that coulda worked."
It's likely the best I can hope for. And yet... here goes...
== Joe, at long last and right now
offer the clemency for truth deal! ==
Item #1: I've long asked for it. But now would be perfect.
Joe Biden could offer amnesty/clemency and even pardons, in exchange for revelations vital to the Republic.
"If you are a person of influence in the USA, and you've been under the thumb of foreign or domestic blackmailers, this is your one chance. **
"Step up and tell all! I promise I'll do everything in my power to lessen your legal penalties, in exchange for truths that could greatly benefit your country. Perhaps even shattering a cabal whose tentacles - some claim - have pervaded this town and the nation.
"I can't prevent pain and public disdain over whatever originally got you into your mess, or things done to please your blackmailers. But I can promise three things: some legal safety, plus privately-funded and bonded security, if requested...
"...plus also public praise for being among the first to step up and show some guts! For the sake of the nation... and your own redemption."
Sure, this would raise howls! Even though there's precedent in Nelson Mandela's Truth & Reconciliation process and similar programs in Argentina and Chile.
Moreover, several Congress members have already attested publicly that such blackmail rings exist, pervading their own party!
"Why haven't I done this sooner? Because inevitably, it'd be seen as a political stunt. In our tense era, I'd be accused of election meddling. Only now, admitting that the nation has decisively chosen Donald Trump and his party to govern, I can do this outside of politics, in order to give him a truly clean slate!
"Let him - let us all - start fresh in January, knowing that the nation had this one chance to flush out the worst illness... aided by those who are eager to breathe free of threats and guilt, at long last....
"... remembering that all 'Heaven rejoices when a sinner repents and comes to the light.'"
Whatever your beliefs, I defy you to name any drawbacks. And let's be clear. Joe could do this. He could do it tomorrow. And the worst thing that he risks would be that nothing happens.
Even in that case, amid some mockery, he would still have raised a vitally needed topic. And at-best?
At best, there could be a whole lot of disinfection. At a time when it is exactly what's badly needed.
== What some billionaire could do ==
Another proposal I have made before, in Polemical Judo. This one seems worth doing, even in the present case, when Donald Trump has 26 more electoral votes than he needs - and hence has nothing to fear from defections, before the "Electoral College" votes, next month.
Why did I say "Electoral College" in quotes? Because in fact it has never, ever been a 'college' of elected delegates, originally meant to deliberate solemnly and choose the president of the United States after thorough discussion. But that might change!
As I've said before - one zillionaire could change this. Rent a mountaintop luxury hotel. Hire retired Secret Service agents for security and some highly-vetted chefs-de-cuisine. Maybe a string quartet of non-English speakers. For two weeks, the only others who may walk through the doors and stroll the grounds are registered electors.
They can come - or not - if they want. Dine and stroll and no one has any obligation to speak or listen. Or else - completely up to them - they might decide to convene the first actual Electoral College in the history of the Republic. Is there any -- and I mean any -- reason why this would not be legally and morally completely kosher?
Yes, I know. It will guarantee that the following election will see the parties vett their elector slates even more carefully for utter-utter loyalty. As if that isn't already true.
So? In any case, the cost would be chickenfeed and the sheer coolness factor could be... well... diverting from our troubles.
== Other suggestions? ==
You know I got a million of em. And (alas!) so many were already in Polemical Judo.
And already ignored. Because the ideas are unconventional and cross many party clichés. Whatever. Poor Brin.
But these are two that will either be acted upon NEXT WEEK or else (99.999% odds) not at all.
So, next posting I'll dive into that post-mortem of the election. And yes, there will be perspectives you never heard or saw anywhere else. (Care to bet on that?) And some may make you go huh. And some may make you angry.
Good. Like Captain Kirk... you need your pain.
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** I made my case about blackmail years ago here: Political Blackmail: The Hidden Danger to Public Servants. And despite Madison Cawthorn and several other high Republicans testifying openly that it is utterly true - honey pots and 'orgies' and sophisticated KGB lompromat - apparently nothing has been done. Nor - apparently - will it be.
Still, there is a third thing I was gonna recommend here...
...that Biden promise sanctuary and a big financial prize for any KGB officer who defects, bringing over the blackmail files! Just making the offer, publicly, might make many people on this planet very, very nervous... and likely result in some orchestrated performances of group window diving in Moscow.
Well-well. One can fantacize it as a coming episode of the Mission Impossible series, at least. Call my agent
*** Several of you spoke of the threat to personal physical safety for the first few to step forward... until the wave of revelation turns the tables and sends blackmailers fleeing for their lives. While it's true that Joe B will no longer be in a position to offer US Government guarantees, allied governments can! Plus new identities etc. Anyway, isn't this fundamentally about heroism? Asking it - in exchange for redemption - from those who might leap at a chance for a path out of treason-hell?
Here's a few things we might agree upon. Or not, its a free country after all.
ReplyDelete1.The polls were not to be trusted. I won't say it with the vulgarity of Jon Stewart, but can we agree that they were in general not indicative of outcomes, at least in the Presidential race?
2. The prediction markets got it much closer. This worries me on one level, as they seem amenable to manipulation. Or to insider info. Did some of the major players have the scoop on campaign internal polling? The latter must have been stark.
3. Multiple legal actions - what some call Lawfare - did not consign Trump to the dustbin of history. In fact, perhaps the opposite. Many of you likely hold a Contrary view, but I think that makes this a weapon that goes back into the silos, and that's for the best.
Well, these are things I think some of you might agree with. Or of course, not, as suits you.
Tacitus
*I've been ordered to have a thick skin. Thick skin in Latin is of course Pachyderm, symbol of the Republican party. Hardly appropriate as I am an Independent who often splits tickets, but whatevs.
Um.... Trump is (and basically always was) a criminal. The biggest indictment of the US legal system is that he was not already in jail. But stealing top secret information and doing God knows what with it doesn't deserve prosecution? Are you kidding me?
Delete“But stealing top secret information and doing God knows what with it doesn't deserve prosecution?”
DeleteTelling the DoJ to flat out lie about election fraud or calling up the GA SecSt to “find” more votes doesn’t cross any red lines with you either?
Prediction markets worked because the people betting big money innovated. E.g. a French bettor who made $79m from Trump's win, commissioned private polls using the neighbor method(ask people who they think their neighbors will vote for, instead of themselves, to get around the "shy Trump voter" effect): https://www.theblock.co/post/324996/french-polymarket-whale-us-election-profit-france-ban
DeleteMy 25year old daughter, a childless cat-lady, but pro-Trump, simply refuses to believe that Trump&Co will do what they promised to do: end Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and so on. Considering I support her on my meagre Social Security, she should be afraid, but nope. She just refuses to believe TrumPutin and his billionaire goons are going to do what they promised to do.
ReplyDeleteAnd now we have Bird Flu jumping from human to human, much of the disease infecting dairy workers (tho its not called cow flu). Perfect timing for Trump's inauguration in January. RFK, the anti-vaxxer was promised to be put in charge of our Health Agencies.
@Kathy, I don't know the full circumstances of the relationship with your daughter, but my question would be to ask (uncritically) why she considers Trump so trustworthy.
Deletefyi, my 22yo daughter was contemplating a music degree international exchange program this year. She decided against it because of the possibility she could be placed in Michigan, and wasn't keen on being around on election night.
Covid-19 had a 0.06% mortality rate
DeleteBird flue has a 50.0% mortality rate.
If Covid had been just a little more deadly, truck drivers would have refused to work.
Grocery stores become empty in 3 days, even without panic buying.
Looks like it is time to go full prepper with MREs, ammo and an off the grid cabin.
Does anyone have any convenient locations for an off the grid survivalist cabin?
DeleteThe big question is if you go it alone or with a group of like minded people.
Being isolated means you can't get help if you need it. Lot's of ways to die in the wilderness if you are alone.
But being with a group ensures that someone will stab you in the back and take your food and gear.
But what kind of group, paranoid right wing gun nut bunker or lefty hippy commune ecovillage?
Chances of surviving are probably higher in the paranoid right wing bunker.
But your chances of getting laid are much, much higher in the hippie commune.
@Larry Hart, from the last post:
ReplyDeleteOk, but the gist of my question is, "How do we persuade without coming off as condescending?" And maybe "What kind of stance wins people over when what they want is for their own party to be in charge while all of the good things I care about get done, but for nothing to get done when my party is doing it?"
I would say: If you don't want to appear condescending, then, don't be. It is first and foremost a thing of your personality. Career politicians often insulate themselves from the people they want to represent, and thus end up in a information silo themselves, as well as the constant self-reassurement that they know what's best for everybody else. From what I gather, Republicans won the worker vote because they could empathize with them, and Dems could not. (At least that's what some commentators said. But I see similar things with our Greens who suffer from a similar reputation.)
But then again, there are many people you will never reach. Rather than "redeeming" them or making your policies watered down so much that no one wants to eat that soup, it might be better to find a solid position and double down on it. Stay authentic, listen, avoid teflonized text block speech.
Welcome back Tacitus. Back to actually contributing. Solid points, though shrugging off the theft of hundreds of classified documents and inciting a riot that killed four people as too trivial for legal action may be disingenuous, when compared to the volcanic legal fury toward Clinton, Obama and HBiden over comparative minutia. Are you saying that a president who shoots someone as an 'official act' is actually immune?
ReplyDeleteAlas, this posting had two specific topics and - as usual - they are being ignored.
I don't know what to say wrt your specific topics except...
Delete1) Electors are generally chosen for their inclination to vote the way they are TOLD to vote. We accomplish this by picking people who want to have a political future within the party that is sending them. They can all certainly be invited, but I think many would be breaking state laws.
2) I'd like a little light to shine, but I don't think an invitation will do it. I would give Biden bonus points for courage if he issued the invite anyway.
The election wasn’t a landslide, as the ‘84 Reagan re-election was; nor is this as bad as 1861- ‘65. Or 1968.
ReplyDeletePearl Harbor...9-11.
In the last thread, there were naysayers who weren’t applauding Trump—but, rather, only celebrating the negativity involved. Nattering nabobs of negativity; effete corps of impudent...
Hi, going to be my last comment for a while...
ReplyDelete1) No, there won't be a gathering of electors. Even if a hypothetical billie ponies up the cash and sends out the invites, nobody's coming. The entire electoral college, stupid and undemocratic as it is, is based on the idea that the state's electors make the state's decision, and nowadays there are provisions in many states that the electors must vote the way the state did (constitutionality questionable, to be determined by whether the result benefits the GQP in the eyes of the corrupt Supreme Court). Except for the fact that it still exists, it's a dead law. It's still in place because, as everyone knows, it magnifies the importance of chunks of the country.
2) Biden's call for a great unveiling. Uh, he could - but could anyone with info be sure they wouldn't be in Gitmo 1/7/25, or already have been defenestrated?
Pappenheimer
P.S. Tacitus, have you had military experience? If Biden had shown TS docs to party guests the way rumpT is alleged to have, and carted whole reams of them home to store in what is basically a resort hotel with inadequate security as he is known to have, I'd have been calling for his impeachment and trial. I used to handle secret docs and if I'd taken any home as 'souvenirs' I'd expect to spend 5-10 in Leavenworth, or 7-11 in Twelveworth, after an exhaustive inquiry into just who I had contact with under some bright lights. That ain't lawfare, that's opsec. My god, the Russians and Chinese must love him. It's like ULTRA, only we are hand delivering.
I don't think the college has any real independence or freedom to direct their votes anyway.
ReplyDeleteThe whistleblower? Well, fingers crossed. Based on recent Australian cases, the system will not tolerate any criticisms of the system. And Biden could only offer protection for a couple of months...
Someone suggested that one of the SCJs could retire now, but I think the GOP Senate will shoot any replacement nomination down just as quickly.
Speaking of 'flyover country', I'm going to provide a link to ten articles of Sarah Kendzior's that she thinks best signposts the last eight years, and what happened on election night.
Kendzior is based in St Louis. She based her anthropology thesis on the functioning of autocracies (specifically Uzbekistan), and has noted that Trump has been using the same confabulatory tactics from the start (and she's published a few books about it). Not surprisingly, she loathes Trump. Yet, she's no fan of the Democrats, who she thinks are the flip side of the same influence, and by that reason have been running out the clock to let Trump off. While I'm inclined to a less extreme opinion (after all, if every politician are on the take from the same side, why are we even having this discussion?), she does make some useful observations. And, if you don't count the Mississippi, she's not based on a coastline.
The failure of the DoJ to file criminal charges against Trump for J6 right after the Senate failed us was probably the event horizon.
DeleteNot ignoring your points, although a J. Biden concerned about his legacy is unlikely to launch any final salvos. I'll just be away for the day and otherwise things I had on my mind would be buried under 100 comments, some on and some off topic.
ReplyDeleteIn a healthy democracy, with a strong and not strongman rule of law, that would be an excellent idea. In an climate where the ruling party uses a mass murdering dictator like Putin as a role model, it will be probably a bad health decision. Better, forward it to the allies in foreign governments.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I believe there are several things Biden could do.
First, commute death sentences of Federal prisoners to life sentences. (That is something I would have done in day one of my administration.) to take away the possibility of another killing spree like after the last time. Maybe there are additional ways for him to spoil the price.
Second, give a farewell speech address to the nation that dark times are ahead, and that it is upon them to shorten the darkness.
Third, he can opt to not cooperate with Trumps transition team. It will be a minor roadblock, but add to the chaos Trump will produce.
Fourth, release every bit of classified information they have on the GOP. Or at least inform allied intel services. (And when we are at it: give allies a last update package containing everything.
Fifth, in the presidential letter, stoke Trumps paranoia vs. his VP, Thiel, Musk. "They will replace you, Donald." Maybe pointing to a piece of classified information they might or might not have.
Oh, and all the silly little things he could do. Bringing paintings, furniture, beds in the nuclear Bunker under the White House.
Making Kamala 47th President a few days before the Resignation by resigning, so that all those 47 Caps and T-Shirts are useless.
And, since he is President until January, 20th, 11:59, he could order a bird-flu related lockdown on all federal grounds a day before Inauguration.
I like your points 1, 4 and 5. I think point 3 is moot - Trump is the one who won't cooperate.
DeleteDavid, by the way I disagree with you about misogyny not having an influence: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/09/us-voters-kamala-harris-donald-trump-republican?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
ReplyDeleteI somehow missed the "onward" on the last post, so I'm a bit behind.
ReplyDeleteDer Oger:
Second, give a farewell speech address to the nation that dark times are ahead, and that it is upon them to shorten the darkness.
The speech that Charlie Chaplin's character* gives at the end of the 1940 film, The Great Dictator would suffice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7GY1Xg6X20
* The Jewish barber who is accidentally mistaken for Hitler.
While I agree that speech is one for the ages, I don't think the context would suit Biden's image (Chaplin deliberately modelled Hitler's rhetorical technique: probably not a look for an outgoing President to emulate)
DeleteA few allusions could work, though.
I would dearly love for life to be 'a glorious adventure', rather than the current 'interesting' one.
Tacitus:
ReplyDeleteThe prediction markets got it much closer. This worries me on one level, as they seem amenable to manipulation.
Yes, the predictions markets are considered more reliable because people are risking real money. The idea is that their bets reflect what they really expect the outcome to be.
But someone with the money of Elon Musk would have no problem risking a few million to game the outcome. Even in economic terms, he might reap more benefit from influencing the election than from winning the bets.
Ultimately, that simply makes the betting markets look as unreliable as the regular polls do today. But there's a window of opportunity to exploit in the meantime.
Multiple legal actions - what some call Lawfare - did not consign Trump to the dustbin of history. In fact, perhaps the opposite. Many of you likely hold a Contrary view, but I think that makes this a weapon that goes back into the silos, and that's for the best.
Are you asserting that the charges brought against Donald J Trump were unfounded, or that actual crimes should be ignored when there's a political angle?
Did you also consider the prosecution of Hunter Biden to be "lawfare"? And whatever happened to that anyway?
If Trump really did shoot someone on Constitution Avenue*, would prosecution of that crime not be called for?
* On Fifth Avenue, it would be a state crime.
The small, normally empty memorial park near my home was packed with a huge Remembrance Day crowd this morning (Nov 11). I wistfully looked southward.
ReplyDeleteDer Oger:
ReplyDeleteI would say: If you don't want to appear condescending, then, don't be. It is first and foremost a thing of your personality.
Ok, but I'm getting the idea that telling Republicans that they are wrong about anything is considered condescending.
I see a big difference between insisting that the economy is good when they're feeling pain and insisting that Trump's platform will increase rather than decrease the inflation they care so much about.
@Alfred Differ,
ReplyDeleteOn the chance that you didn't see this response late on the old post, I will try again. Hopefully without screwing up the formatting this time. It's ok if you don't want to respond, but I did want you to see it.
Alfred Differ:
Doesn't matter whether we understand how we 'screwed' them. What matters is their perception of it and whether their friends agree with them about our behavior.
I thank you for reminding me of my better angels, which I will need to reconnect with in time. I'm guessing it will begin happening around Thanksgiving. Right now, I'm feeling simpatico with DP's "screw 'em all", and while I know where I will probably end up, the process can't be rushed any more than getting over an old girlfriend can. Nevertheless, your voice is helpful in that process, as mine was when my daughter suffered her first romantic breakup*.
So what was the question again? :)
Doesn't matter whether we understand how we 'screwed' them. What matters is their perception of it and whether their friends agree with them about our behavior.
It matters that we understand what exactly we did wrong so that we can handle it differently next time around. I can understand that it's unproductive to insist that the economic numbers are great when arguing with someone who is feeling the pinch. Is it also unproductive to point out that tariffs would make inflation worse, not better?
I'm not suggesting we bow meekly and give our blessings to their plans, though. I'm suggesting we should be gaming this to get what we want next time.
Good, solid practical advice that I will need when I'm sane again. Really.
For the record, I know quite a few people who DID intentionally condescend to them. Sanctimony junkies on our side were getting daily fixes.
I'm becoming cognizant of the type of error made by a Reagan official (I forget which one) who doubted there were many poor Americans because when he looked around his own social circle, he didn't see any. I'm realizing I'm guilty of a very similar thing. I was not hearing liberals treating conservatives as if their own concerns didn't matter**, so I assumed that no liberals were doing so.
Sure... the other side did it too... but they won. We need to try something different next time.
Good, practical advice. "We don't win this way. What else can we try?"
It does vex me how well Republicans do game the system to win on our own issues. How many decades were liberals vilified for being anti-war? Now, we lose the public opinion argument because we're "war mongers" in Ukraine***. Apparently, being anti-war is only a good thing when Republicans do it. Or, "You just be against something. To win, you have to be for something." Which does seem to be true for Democrats, but Republicans make a winning strategy about being against something all the time.
Are we just playing badly, or is the game rigged against us with rules that change all the time?
* When my daughter had her first romantic break-up in middle school--by text message, no less--I told her that there'd come a time when it would stop hurting, even though it was impossible to understand that in the moment. I also told her it would be nice to just skip to the end, but that life doesn't work that way, and one must go through the intervening process. Years later she told me how she remembered that advice and appreciated it. Small victories.
** I know we argued that they are wrong, but in the sense of "counter-productive". Like, "The things Trump says he'll do won't fix the problems that you want fixed--in fact in some cases they'll make it worse." If that's condescending, then I don't know how to handle it.
*** Not in Israel, of course. In that war, the peaceniks are still bad.
This was written at least a decade ago, and it's still as true today as the day it was written.
ReplyDelete“The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of who will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.”
Davis X. Machina
I’ve trotted out that quote many times. I will never grok that sort of self defeating spite. I freely admit that I hold such people in contempt for their meanness and ignorance, but I desire to avoid them, not hurt them. Even if I could hurt them at no cost to myself.
DeleteMaybe the one Billion dollars question is: Why Joe doesn't do it?
ReplyDelete2 reasons: 1) Joe at heart is very much the institutionalist. I don’t think that it’s in his nature to buck the system that hard, all the more so because he’s in his 80s now.
Delete2) When he talks about his belief in the innate goodness of the American people (“this isn’t who we are”) I think that he is 100% sincere. I wish that he were right, but the evidence of my eyes and ears say otherwise.
Well, I, for one, believe him.
DeleteI appreciate the sentiment expressed in the bromide 'this isn't who we are', but a bromide is all it is.
DeleteA better way to handle it (especially in the face of repeated bad acts) is to acknowledge that this *is* who we are, but not what we want to be.
Dr Brin is absolutely correct when he states that "Poor zones in America have been net recipients of taxes from cities since 1936, in torrents (and) Gratitude was never asked", the unanswered question being a huge WHY ?
ReplyDeleteWhy is it that the red rural states require federal subsidies & charity at all, especially when these rural 'charity cases' now possess, control and produce the lion's share of our nation's energy, food, water, natural resources & industrial output?
It is for the very same reason that an 8oz (0.25kg) box of minimally processed Cornflakes breakfast cereal costs MORE than a 25kg bushel of corn.
It's because our entire market economy is a vast swindle designed to gaslight & impoverish the rural producer while enriching the urban parasite; and, this vast fraud has become increasingly apparent as both AI & decentralized industry demonstrate that the centralized urban population no longer serves any productive purpose whatsoever.
That said, I will now make myself scarce, as Dr. Brin & the progressive left retreat back into their shattered unreality bubble like little children hiding from imaginary monsters under a blanket.
Amnesty for CRIMINALS who are subject to blackmail? It's already been proven a failure as California Governor Newsom's attempt at 'retail theft amnesty' has only produced a growing epidemic of criminality.
And eliminating the Electoral College? Totally ineffective and 'meh' as our 47th President Trump also won the US popular vote.
To paraphrase Aldous Huxley:
Reality cannot be ignored, except at a price; and the longer the ignorance is persisted in, the higher and more terrible becomes the price that must be paid, and your bill has come due.
Best
The only thing these states produce are commodity items that are priced globally, they have no pricing power. Oil, wheat, corn, etc are produced globally if you try to overcharge those horrible blue cities will go and buy those commodities on the global market. What's the difference between Ukrainian, Argentinian, Canadian or US wheat?
DeleteOTOH, Microsoft, IBM, Pfizer's (Software, Pharmaceuticals, Hardware, Entertainment) products are unique and can only be produced by a specialized and highly educated group of people and therefor they can charge pretty much what they want...
BTW If you have a problem with the oligarchic agro industrial giants(Archer Daniels, Mosanto, Tyson, Cargill, etc) please feel free to put them out of business, but don't blame city dwellers for the bad deals rural farmers made with those companies...
DeleteBye locum. Though know that this latest was much less-bad, starting with an arguable assertion only 60% wrong and then only devolving into a bunch 70% fals. I believe in encouraging progress.
ReplyDeleteThanks to the Michigan Arabs for making Biden cry. Well done. Hope you meant it when you said you knew Trump was worse, but you didn't care.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/11/israel-iran-war-news-gaza-palestine-lebanon
Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich welcomed President-elect Donald Trump’s electoral victory Monday, saying that “the time has come” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.
As long as they give full Israeli Citizenship to all the West Bank residents, I don't see the problem...
Delete@Don,
DeleteThe "river to the sea" people are going to see one.
I have a crackpot theory as to why political Islam is self-destructive:
Delete_Allah is dead._
Read Nietzsche for details.
@Larry
ReplyDeleteWhich "river to the sea" people? The Jewish ones? or the Palestinian ones? or both?
The American ones who insisted on abandoning Biden and Democrats because of Gaza. If they didn't expect an unleashed Israel to be the result, I don't know what they did think.
DeleteIf your point is that Israel's hard liners also want to ethnically cleanse the same territory, I won't dispute that. But there's no inconsistency in them preferring Trump to Democrats. The activists on the pro-Palestinian side did great harm to their own cause by preferring Trump to Democrats.
OK, I'm back.
ReplyDeleteLarryH. My point was merely that multiple legal attacks on Trump did not finish him off as a political force. The cases themselves were a mixed bag. The documents case, to address an earlier comment, probably lost a bit of potency in the context of Hillary Clinton's case being dismissed because "no reasonable prosecutor would file charges", and then the trove of docs in Biden's garage getting a pass because he was "an elderly confused man". Now, if there were evidence that Trump, had passed secret info to foreign powers, that would be another thing. Regards the other cases, the Georgia case actually seemed to have substance, so who decided to assign it to libidinous clowns? No, I don't suggest political figures get a free pass. Nor should they be singled out for partisan prosecutions in very amenable venues. If Pete Buttegig becomes a viable candidate going forward I sure don't want him prosecuted for some ancient sodomy law still on the books in a conservative backwater jurisdiction. Sorry to bring up an example of that nature, but OGH still has "Hastert, friend of boys" on some kind of macro key.
I think Hunter Biden should be pardoned too. He can do no further mischief.
I think about how the Clinton campaign was not charged with felonies for misreporting payments for the Steele dossier as legal fees when they were in fact for campaign opposition research...a violation for which the campaign was fined.
DeleteDo you think Dr Brin's complaint about Hastert is that he had consensual gay sex?
DeleteReading his Bio, "Friend of Turkey" could also be applied...though it wasn't an autocracy then as it is now.
DeleteOh, and let's not forget that there were Reports of four flights of Trump to Epstein's island as well as other contacts.
Delete@GMT, I admit the campaign finance case is probably the weakest of them all. Mostly because no one actually cares enough about campaign finance laws to be upset about violations. It's like Prohibition that way.
DeleteI do wish more credence was given to the classified documents infractions. Because both Biden and Pence were found to have accidentally held onto documents they shouldn't have had, there's a general impression that "Everybody does it and it's no big deal." It's pretty clear that Trump is different from the others in that he likely sold or at least shared information in a way that harmed the intelligence community and the country. The fact that that case ended up in Aileen Cannon's court proves that if God exists, He's engaging in some pretty tough love.
In my opinion (and feel free to correct me on this), you do seem to have a double standard when it comes to Hillary and Trump. Every secretary of state in the internet age has used a private server, but you seem to have a strict, "Many wrongs don't make a right" attitude. Whereas with Trump, it's "Other people have done something vaguely in the same ballpark as what he did, so no biggie."
Tacitus:
ReplyDeleteNow, if there were evidence that Trump, had passed secret info to foreign powers, that would be another thing.
"We have hearsay and innuendo, Your Honor, those are kinds of evidence."
Ok, kidding on the square. But seriously, given what we know of the man, I think you need evidence that Trump didn't share secret documents with buyers or blackmailers. That's not the kind of thing Biden or Pence or Hillary would do. It is the kind of thing Trump does all the time. That he wouldn't do so, given the opportunity, is just not plausible.
Nor should they be singled out for partisan prosecutions in very amenable venues.
The venues are where he committed the crimes. If he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, the case should be heard by Aileen Cannon? Because judges in the bag for Trump are the ones who are not "biased" like all the others are?
Shouldn't the courts be biased towards protecting the constitution and the conservation of the rule of law?
DeleteLarry, you forgot to point out that, Trump refused to give them back, and as far as I know, has still not given all of them back. The two cases are not remotely the same. The big difference is that Trump acted in bad faith, whereas Clinton and Biden did not.
DeleteTacitus:
ReplyDeleteI think Hunter Biden should be pardoned too. He can do no further mischief.
And yet, Joe Biden won't do that because he doesn't want even the appearance of impropriety? Does that not speak to the man's character?
Meanwhile, Trump pardoned Mike Flynn and says he'll pardon the Jan 6 insurrectionists for no other reason than they've acted as he likes. He pardoned Blagojevich just because Blago's wife prostrated herself to him. Does that not speak to the man's character?
Now, I begin to understand how Trump won.
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Latino Trump voter believes Trump will not deport “family oriented” Latinos since that would be “unfair.”
I'm not sure a few disaffected Latinos (or Palestinians) explain the nationwide shift.
DeleteI said "begin to understand".
DeleteSure, each individual example is anecdotal, but still the hits keep on coming.
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We say two things as preface to this capsule: (1) We've gotten a lot of nasty e-mail for daring to describe Donald Trump as a fascist, and (2) You are going to see a lot of "Let's talk to Trump voters and understand their mindset" pieces in the next few weeks and months (and maybe years).
The specimen of that genre that is getting all the attention right now is a piece from The Philadelphia Inquirer. Among the voters the paper talked to is a 45-year-old former construction worker named Matt Wolfson, who said of Trump: "He's good and bad. People say he's a dictator. I believe that. I consider him like Hitler. But I voted for the man." Wolfson also explained that he hopes that, in particular, Trump's Hitler-like qualities will cause him to keep the U.S. out of foreign wars. Hm, seems like someone might want to review their history books, with particular attention to the events of September 1, 1939.
Re the two main suggestions:
ReplyDelete(1) that some billionaire somehow suborn the electoral college to become a constitutional convention
Three problems -
(1a) Practical - just won't work, as others have pointed out
Electors are chosen to from party loyalists - and its really not hard to find Maga's who are absolutely, completely, not interested in anything Trump didn't say. So your best case scenario is that you can't get a quorum. Your worst case scenario is that, Musk takes up the idea, hosts a convention with none of your scruples, and the electoral college declares itself a constitutional convention, and throws out the 22md amendment ... and for good measure the 23rd, maybe even, to make Musk feel more at home, like the South Africa he grew up in as a kid, the 15th.
(1b) Even if you somehow got the electors to define a new, not-insane, constitution, the people deciding if it is actually legal to do so, and which parts of it could take effect would be the nine members of SCOTUS ... and they are not going to interpret anything in a way that you'd like, and they are perfectly willing to ignore any prior jurisprudence, or, for that matter, a clear reading of any law, amendment, or stanza in the actual constitution, to produce those interpretations that you'd find disgraceful. The only thing holding them back from doing even more damage has been Robert's desire to not be too controversial. Which brings me to
(1c) Bad Judo move.
The most radical wing of the Republican coalition will have a minimum of 2 years in control of all 3 primary levers of us government. But the strict letter of the law, they'll be able to, without any cooperation with democrats, pass anything that doesn't require either a 2/3 majority in the senate, or a constitutional amendment, and the only thing that will be holding them back is how much they think they can get away with, without alienating either the few non-Maga republicans still in the senate/house, or a huge majority of the American people, which basically translates as "without completely violating the way people think the US government traditionally works". Calling into question those traditions - seeming to be in collusion with Republicans to shred those traditions - is the kind of Judo move that leaves you open to being devastated by your opponent.
(2) That Biden offer (or work with allies to offer) amnesty to patriots willing to admit to being blackmailed, and denounce their blackmailers ....
You'd know better than I whether Biden could actually provide US-based amnesty that would actually survive vs an FBI + Justice department + SCOTUS + state court in, say, Missisippi, that are all run by Maga loyalists. But that's asking for some serious bravery.
In terms of allies - no, they couldn't - at least, none with an extradition treaty. From a legal perspective, all the DoJ would have to do to get an extradition from, say, Canada, would be to provide evidence of a crime that is also a crime in Canada (e.g. whatever the patriot confessed to), and promise no capital punishment (or torture). Any Canadian court would leave the niceties of whether a pardon by Biden is valid to SCOTUS.
And at the policy level, November 1956 proved that the US, even under a generally sane administration is willing to do severe damage to its allies in pursuit of objectives that are of secondary national interest. It would take an extremely brave allied government to stand up to Trump over providing political asylum to an Amercian accused of .
well my triangle brackets weren't accepted by the forum --- I do wish this thing had a "preview" button. ... that last sentence should have finished with "accused of [whatever it is that they admitted to and Biden pardoned them for]"
DeleteTony Fisk:
ReplyDeleteA better way to handle it (especially in the face of repeated bad acts) is to acknowledge that this *is* who we are, but not what we want to be.
I've posted before the narrator's old girlfriend's evaluation of him in Kurt Vonnegut's Jailbird :
"It's all right," she said. "You couldn't help it that you were born without a heart. At least you tried to believe what the people with hearts believed--so you were a good man just the same."
I've claimed that as an accurate description of myself, which might come across as a plea for disagreement, but I actually mean it. I'm not nearly as good a person as I'd like to be, but I do want to be more of one and make some effort to have my better angels win out over my darker impulses. That's one reason I so despise Trumpism. It seems designed to let our id run wild without any "regulation" from ego or superego.
It might be time to apply Vonnegut's description above to America itself.
C-plus,
ReplyDeleteIf by triangle brackets you mean the [shift] characters between the "M" and "?", also sometimes called greater than and less than characters, those are the characters that are used to enclose and identify HTML for the blogger software. When you try to use them for normal text they don't show up.
Stonekettle responds to NY Times op-ed about how Democrats need to address working-class pain instead of wokeness:
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Maybe Democrats should address working class pain by voting FOR every Trump policy.
Tariffs? AYE! Tax breaks for the rich? AYE! Lower the corporate tax rate? AYE! Eliminate taxes on tips and overtime? AYE! Eliminate minimum wage? AYE! (all of which will kill Social Security by 2031? AYE!) Eliminate the FED? AYE! Eliminate healthcare? AYE! Maximize shareholder profits? AYE! Drill, Baby, Drill? AYE! Deport 20,000 million workers? AYE! Massively increase the deficit? AYE!
No pain, no gain.
Of course WE'll all suffer right along with the "working class" (i.e. white men without college degrees, which is apparently the ONLY demographic that matters). I'm not arguing that. But it's going to happen anyway, because Democrats have lost it all. House, Senate, White House, Supreme Court.
The Left can't mount any sort of effective resistance whatsoever.
And that's apparently what the "working class" wanted. That's what those 15 million democrats who stayed home, wanted.
So, GIVE it to them.
And give it to them good and hard.
Because so far, nothing else has gotten through to these self-involved assholes. So, give them Trump. Give them all the Trump. Republicans always, every fucking time, wreck the economy. And that's when the alleged "sane" ones are in charge. Trump? It's gonna be a hell of a crash.
Get out of the way and give them what they want.
When they can't blame their "pain" on anyone but Trump, maybe THAT will finally be what it takes.
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Note: I'm not really suggesting Democrats do this, of course. We have to fight for the people we care about, even if it's a losing battle.
But, you know, it's going to happen anyway. Like I said, the left can't mount any sort of actual resistance, not in government anyway, and that's apparently what voters wanted. I can only hope those Democrats who do remain in office are smart enough to make damn sure blame for this new Trump era gets put where it belongs: squarely on Republicans.
Actually the Dems can vote against all the bad things and claim, truthfully, that they tried to look out for the people getting what they voted for good and hard.
DeleteI second Flypusher's remark. There is honor in standing up for what is right despite having no power to prevent evil; and there is considerable dishonor in failing to do so, out of spite or collaborationism.
DeleteI agree with you guys. Stonekettle does too (at the end).
DeleteI think the point is to accept that that will be a losing battle, and instead of weeping over it, make sure the blame falls where it belongs.
A historian (Patricia Ireland?) enunciated the 15% jerk rule. Any theory of society that postulates significantly more or less of a given group are jerks is wrong. It looks like she has been proven wrong.
ReplyDeleteDer Oger 3:28 am:
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Second, give a farewell speech address to the nation that dark times are ahead, and that it is upon them to shorten the darkness.
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Shorten the darkness? Where is Hari Seldon when we need him?
Tony, thanks for your deeply moving – and heart-filled – message.
ReplyDeleteC-plus:
“t would take an extremely brave allied government to stand up to Trump over providing political asylum to an Amercian accused…”
So? We have brave allies. In any event, the aim is to entice enough of the blackmailed to be BRAVE HEROES. Unlikely, sure. Ut if three or more stepped up, the pattern would entice more and the blackmail ring could be shattered. An outcome that seems worth a try.
Stonekettle may get his wish when RFK Jr blows the bird flu.
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Tacitus, every complaint you just made was about primness of process. Individually, they have some (small) merit. But overall, it’s lawyering to evade the fact that the US right has become a cesspool. I cite Dennis Hastert as the transition from a merely corrupt political party that still wanted to do politics (under Gingrich) to a gang that has blocked politics IN GENERAL (banning ALL negotiation, ever) while promoting perverts to the highest levels.
BET NOW over the compared rates of convicted child molestors in the two parties. And it preceded Hastert back to Roy Cohn. Is there ANY ratio that would affect your habit of shrugging and shrugging and shrugging?
I don’t give a fig about Hunter Biden. But his black sheepness was balanced by a truly great American, his brother Beau. SHOW US a similar ratio among the kids of gopper leaders, who rant at us moral values then have the parenting outcomes of Palin, MTGreen, Boehbert, Lindsey Graham, Cruz and so many other hypocrites especially Trump.
BUT WHAT MATTERS is that Dems purge their scandals from power. Even going way too far as with Al Franken. YOUR party REWARDS their scandalous. Because, of course, it makes them controllable by blackmail.
Partisan prosecutions my ass. Let’s have light! The promised tax returns, business records, college transcripts, the quashed stories in David Pecker’s safe… shatter the NDAs! One party wants to severely limit NDAs the other utterly depends upon them. And an honest man like you should care about that!
You KNOW your party is a festering sewer of iniquity, yet you lawyer and lawyer and lawyer… and never ask for MORE LIGHT.
ReplyDeleteSo where was the "Democrat cheating"? You promised proof in 2020 and 2024. Suddenly crickets, just because you won. Win or lose, shouldn't you be trotting out proof the Dems TRIED massively? And surely Trump woulda blamed that demonrat effort, if he lost? And - just spitballing here - but um, should we trust THESE results? Since all the swing states but one had GOP administrations running the election?
Oh... Right... hypocrisy. But this IMAGE... wow... Dig up Ronald Reagan and ask him what it means. All heil Putin and his "ex" commissars, rebuilding the USSR and starting where it matters most. Red wave, indeed.
Sorry that was in response to FB posted showing USA engulfed in a Red Wave.
DeleteTony Soprano, the fictitious mob boss of the TV series "The Sopranos", once told his psychiatrist that there are only two outcomes for a high-profile guy like him: dead or in the can. Melfi never had the nerve to ask him, "Which would you prefer?"
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Trump has the same problem. He'll dismiss the federal charges, but the state charges remain, and will suffice to put him in the can, come 2028. So which would he prefer? Dead in office, or in the can?
He might try to become president-for-life, but that's just being in the can until death.
Does ANYONE expect him to be in office by 2048? This election bvegin's as Elon's and soon become's Thiel's
Delete2028, not 2048. He'd be a centenarian: not likely. If he does make it that far, then I wouldn't talk about Mule powers: I'd talk about the One Ring.
DeleteOne of Trump’s spokesreptiles said that Crimea is “gone”. Which means Donetsk & Luhansk are also Goners.
ReplyDeleteHow can a rump Ukraine be salvaged? NATO membership wouldn’t be enough, nukes would have to be reintroduced onto Ukrainian territory—if Ukraine is to have any chance of surviving.
answer. This is NOT about Crimea, or even Ukraine. "ex" commissar Putin called the fall of the USSR "history's worst tragedy' and is rebuilding the evil empire, brick by brick, even nationalizing (sovietizing) all russian industries. And actively conquering us.
DeleteThis is about standing up to pure evil, leading the world oligarchic putsch.
Not about Ukraine??
Delete...what do you think
Delete“brick by brick” means in actuality—not in the abstract?
The point is that focus on Ukraine pays attention to a tree when the forest is being threatened.
DeleteDefending Ukraine's integrity is still necessary.
Everyone here knows all that,
Deletethe difficulty is communicating outside of our circles; otherwise we are walking echo chambers.
Because of the price of eggs, right?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.threads.net/@cnn/post/DCRlQYQqm5G
A group of people carrying Nazi flags demonstrated outside a community theater performance of “The Diary of Anne Frank” in Livingston County, Michigan, in a display of antisemitism.
At this stage I'd say it was the price of eggs that encouraged them.
DeleteAttended a couple of zoom webinars last night about how to handle the fallout from Trump's election, with particular emphasis on disonformation (Aus. has an election due next year). For any who are interested, I'll post the recording links when they're available. One of the guest speakers, Erik Petersen, rattled off half a dozen reasons why he thought Harris lost, but prefaced it by saying that a *real* analysis would take until at least February.
@Tony, the point of my sarcastic remark is that people who truly voted for Trump because they think he'll bring down grocery costs or cut government spending or some other innocuous reason don't then suddenly feel the need to act out in racist or sexist or antisemitic ways. The bullies were like that already, and they supported Trump for that reason. Or at the very least, it was one of the reasons.
DeleteWhen he was president, Trump answered a question regarding the negative future impact of Trumponomics by replying,
ReplyDelete“I won’t be here.”
Summing up his solipsism. He cares about his family—however, after he is gone, he’ll not be able to do anything for them, except for what he’s left behind for them.
And notice how clever he is:
“won’t be here” could mean out of office, or it could mean deceased. He left it ambiguous. He’s a crafty old so ‘n so.
Russia passes bill banning 'propaganda' promoting childlessness.
ReplyDeleteThe likelihood that this will be *effective* legislation is... not high, but it's another hobnail in the boot used to stamp on Humanity's upturned face.
... and I daresay 'Shady' Vance will be watching the experiment with interest.
Tacitus,
ReplyDeleteNow, if there were evidence that Trump, had passed secret info to foreign powers, that would be another thing.
No. You are failing to understand the security risks involved and then allowing the goalpost to be moved. The case itself was solid. If there were evidence he'd passed those to foreign powers, there would be ANOTHER case to bring against him.
Lets get real. Trump could have offered them on E-Bay to the highest bidder and would not have been sentenced for it.
DeletePrediction points! I said Trump has learned to never again appoint any professionals or adults to office, since nearly ALL of the grownups from Trump v.1.0 eventually denounced him. That one fact alone should have decided the election, period.) I predicted ALL his appointments would be unqualified maniacs and most of them controllable by blackmail. Can't verify the latter (yet). But the former is now clear, 100% down the line. And when he starts firing civil servants, we all need to remember two words: General Strike.
ReplyDeleteSure, that won't work. Can anything, when we are full tilt into the scenario Heinlein described here? http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2017/03/looking-back-at-heinleins-future.html
Rhyming off Churchill, this time the Old World must come to the rescue of the New. Europe must solve this, bu supporting Ukraine utterly, leading to an end game for Trump's puppetmaster.
Who is the general strike supposed to hurt?
DeleteI still think there will be a revolving door of hirings and firings.
ReplyDeleteOne thing Erik Petersen mentioned last night: there will be a lot of Republicans looking at where the IRA funding went, and developing a sudden reluctance to roll it all back.
That's a D or two more to the chess game Trump is supposed to play.
Europe must solve this, bu supporting Ukraine utterly, leading to an end game for Trump's puppetmaster.
ReplyDeleteSadly, I don't believe that will happen.
There is a chance that Poland and Scandinavia will take a leadership position in supporting Ukraine until we have sorted out who will be in charge in Berlin in spring*. The other European capitals will most likely do nothing, and hope for a miracle.
Of which there is a slight chance happening.
If
a) Zelensky makes Trump believe that they will fight to the bitter end
b) Putin does not give in to Trumps demands an continues humiliating him (like, with the explizit Photos of Melania they published)
Trumps ego might kick in and he doubles down on weapon shipments.
There is an even slighter chance that Russias economy collapses and/or the siloviki try to sort it out among themselves.
But for now, I will assume two things:
Russia will invade the Baltics in the next four years; and
the egg prices will go up here, too. With the same consequences.
*As of now, Friedrich Merz will be Chancellor. Which might be good for Trump and Ukraine, but bad for everyone else.
Departement of government efficiency?
ReplyDeleteUnder Elon von Braun and the Swami?
Really?
And the puppy killer lady and the axeman?
Kennedy for the health department almost seems like a sane decision in comparison.
Oh, the little icon Musk's used to celebrate his acquisition! Well spotted!
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DeleteDepartement of government efficiency?
The Iraq war was originally going to be called Operation: Iraqi Liberation until they realized that the joke was a bit too shameless.
And when he starts firing civil servants, we all need to remember two words: General Strike.
ReplyDeleteAgain, that would require the participation of the worker class, and they just showed you with whom they will side.
If I had a suggestion to make, it would be:
Blue states signaling "We are hiring" and taking in each of those civil servants fired, building the structures on state level the federal government is about to destroy.
Current question being, why did they side?
DeleteIf it was for the price of eggs, the bosses cancelling end of year bonuses because tariffs have to be paid for won't sit well.
Someone needs to start a meme linking Trump to 'How the Grinch Stole Christmas'
Chris Ladd at Political Orphans suggested weaponizing federalism 4 years ago:
Deletehttps://www.politicalorphans.com/democrats-should-weaponize-federalism/
And 7 years ago:
https://www.politicalorphans.com/federalism-is-your-friend/
Obviously brain drain on the Red states will have the most publicized effects (TX is currently beginning to realize that a doctor storage is looming), but the Blue states ought to learn into welcoming Red state refugees.
Current question being, why did they side?
DeleteIf it was for the price of eggs, the bosses cancelling end of year bonuses because tariffs have to be paid for won't sit well.
Now that it's a done deal and there's no give-backs in any case, I don't expect Trump supporters to have that come-to-Jesus moment and realize they've been had. Psychology doesn't seem to work that way. More likely, they'll either ignore the actual economy or else believe it is improving just because Trump is in charge.
That sort of belief only changes when it runs into hard reality on a battlefield (metaphorical or otherwise).
but the Blue states ought to learn into welcoming Red state refugees.
DeleteAren't they? I supposed it did not matter, and that moving between states would be a normal thing.
Though a mass migration of blue voters to red areas would be needed more. Also, all those states will get difficulties in maintaining housing prices and a healthy job market.
Finally, as a late-stage power move, I would consider "interstate border closures due to imminent threats of terrorist attacks."
That would require (foreseeable) other events to happen first, though.
“Though a mass migration of blue voters to red areas would be needed more.”
DeleteThat would be feasible for the swing states (MI, WI, AZ, PA) with Democratic governors. Places like TX and FL are lost causes for now. Consider TX- the GOPers can neglect the power grid (with fatal consequences), be openly corrupt (state AG Ken Paxton as the foulest example), and pass a draconian abortion law that is literally killing and maiming young women, but most of the voters don’t see that as reason enough to vote them out. In FL, the “war on woke” still has more traction than the increasing difficulty of finding (not to mention affording) homeowners’ insurance. TX just saw the first crack, with a major insurer (Progressive) no longer issuing new homeowner policies, and the Gulf gets hotter and the storms get stronger. These voters aren’t budging without extreme pain.
The (Formerly) GOP is playing a long game, their recent victories were set in motion perhaps fifty years ago with "Conservative" pundits promoting deregulation and vilifying labor unions. Ideologically guided deregulation has, among other faults, thrown entry level housing costs and entry level wages into misalignment, the decimation of union labor has tied the Democrats to the interests of the .01%*, so the solutions that might've occurred to a Roosevelt or Truman are unavailable, at pain of severe funding loss, to a Clinton, Obama, Biden or Harris.
ReplyDelete*I don't think the current situation was their original goal, they wanted a one party Nation, and perhaps have ever since they admitted the "Dixiecrats" to their ranks.
Electoral-Vote.com is looking for a right-leaning contributor who can be respectful. I pass this along because there are a few here who might qualify. You'd reach a wider audience than you do just on this blog.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2024/Items/Nov13-5.html
On a somewhat related note, we are vaguely toying with a notion, though it's just concepts of a plan right now. We are nothing but disdainful of performative bothsidesism. We don't believe that, for example, when CNN hires a Scott Jennings, or The Washington Post hires a Marc Thiessen, they are really trying to enlighten their audience.
That said, we think there would be merit in finding someone who has a right-leaning perspective, and could contribute something to the site once a week (or maybe every other week). To be more precise, we're thinking someone who could pick one (or two) items that we wrote that week, and could say "Here's how this particular story/issue/etc. looks through my eyes." Sort of a conservative ombudsperson. But the candidate needs to have some kind of track record of being intellectually honest and capable of reasoned debate. Someone who pines for how The National Review was when William F. Buckley Jr. was in charge would be nice. Being one of J.D. Vance's Yale Law School classmates would be a plus, but is not a requirement. The person should also expect some what electrical engineers call "negative feedback" from us and others.
Anyhow, if readers have thoughts on this—good idea, bad idea, the best way to execute the idea, etc.—then we would be glad to hear them at comments@electoral-vote.com. As K.H. in Maryville points out, a bubble is something to be watched for, and actively resisted, and this might be a good step in that direction.
@Larry Hart: The laws need to be applied equally. Complaining that "the other guys did it" is not a defense. However, "selective prosecution" could possibly be a defense. A lot of procedural steps take place in any prosecution; my experience is that selective prosecution cases are more likely to have procedural errors that appeals courts will use as grounds for remanding for a retrial or even dismissing the case with prejudice (preventing a retrial).
ReplyDeleteIt is not enough for law enforcement to be fair; law enforcement must also appear to be fair. I will admit there will always be people who can never be convinced, but those people have low credibility and their refusal to see what everyone else sees should not affect policy decisions.
@GMT, just so you know, you're one of the people I thought of when I read the electoral-vote.com item I linked above.
DeleteStarship IFT 6 scheduled for Monday, Nov 18:
ReplyDelete- booster stage capture attempt again (slightly different timings)
- daylight flight, incl Indian Ocean splashdown (good pics)
- near orbit vac engine tests (in prep for later orbital missions)
- possibly the last flight with no payload
- overall focus is on heat management
That's a turnaround time of 36 days from IFT 5 (FAA approval still valid for this flight).
Woo hoo!
DeleteThey also said they are bringing Ship in at a steeper angle this time. Higher pressures, but less integration time for the heat transfer to the flaps.
If you were paying attention, the Dems were running away from woke culture during the election.
ReplyDeleteFor a great explanation see Breaking Points
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA5687kROLk
"I only have one problem with the woke Theory I just didn't recall seeing any Democrats running on woke"
Krystal has what could be an excellent strategy - match the Republicans in divisive politics and go them one better
If Trump can shamelessly declare a race war, we can can shamelessly declare a class war.
If the GOP can viciously attack trans kids, we can viciously attack billionaires.
It is long past time that Dems put on the brass knuckles flip open their switch blades and fought just as dirty and divisively as republicans.
Trump showed us that divisive politics works.
We should be just as dirty - and successful - as he is.
Doing so would put their campaign funding at risk, for reasons I've already noted above.
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ReplyDeleteTrump showed us that divisive politics works.
Yes, but...
We should be just as dirty - and successful - as he is.
My brother, a high school teacher, observed that many of the boys who are jerks and yet get the girls anyway are attractive in the first place. They can swagger and dominate because they (correctly) perceive their advantage.
The non-alpha males take the lesson that "girls prefer jerks" (e.g., "Nice guys finish last") and believe that they will do better with girls if they become swaggering jerks themselves. It doesn't work.
I'm afraid that divisive politics works for Trump, not because it's divisive, but because he's Trump. It won't work for us against the people who don't mind the things that Democrats do but want a Republican to do them.
Can’t remember who said it, but this still rings true- give the voters a choice between a Republican and a Democrat mimicking a Republican, and they’ll always pick the Republican.
DeleteJust on pragmatic grounds selling out your values like that is a bad call. By all means fight the GOP over bad policies that hurt people, but don’t become like them.
So liberals are forever doomed to be the kids that gets beaten up for his lunch money?
DeleteFor you Larry, a face-eating leopard sighting:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.threads.net/@ronaldfilipkowski/post/DCT6edExw4C?hl=en
Dumbasses
Der Oger, you are over there and I am not. We rely upon you(!) for much Euro-perspective. Still, I do not see your scenarios. Every day, NATO gets stronger and Russia gets weaker. Putin has to be worried about both Kaliningrad and even St. Petersburg. And ultimately all of Siberia. Meanwhile, the recent wave of young Russian emigres - despite some of them being sabotage sleeper agents – is likely changing the tenor of the Russian diaspora (e.g. in the Baltics) away from Putin.
ReplyDeleteBut of course General Winter is everything. Freezing weather will:
- Give wider fronts for mass armored attacks favoring RF…
- But also deny infantry tree cover to hide under, exposing them even more to drones, favoring AFU…
- Making Europeans shiver a bit, but they’ve been preparing...
- Making Ukrainians shiver a bit, but they’ve been getting used to it...
- Making Russians shiver a lot, if the drone campaign peaks fast and hard...
- But there’s an aspect of winter I predicted a year ago and was wrong. It required some pretty advanced technology plus a lot of preparation and guts. Restoring to the battlefield one of the principal weapons of the last third of the 20th century….
Your Trump scenarios all ignore Putin’s primary puppet string… blackmail. But Trump now has nothing to lose from any revelations VP might have.Much will depend on when DT realizes he can take revenge now on his blackmailer.
“And when he starts firing civil servants, we all need to remember two words: General Strike.
Again, that would require the participation of the worker class, and they just showed you with whom they will side”
No, that’s the point. They assume they can dispense with folks who actually know stuff. If fact people got REALLY mad, everything would stop.
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Every day, NATO gets stronger and Russia gets weaker.
1) Ukraine isn't in the NATO and gets weaker each day, too. I am not sure they can hold out for much longer. If the frontlines collapse and Ukraine is forced to capitulate, tens of millions of Ukrainians will flee to Europe. Hope is, the anvil breaks the hammer, and both show serious strains. But a 50/50 chance is nothing I''d like to bet on.
2) If you look at the domestic situation, things get a different shade. In short: A sizeabe portion of the population wants the GDR back (this time with free travel, better cars and bananas) and the Americans and Migrants out of Europe. What I have heard from Austria, Czechia, Slowakia is not better, France might be out once Le Pen takes the reigns (a situation quite comparable to the US) and the Netherlands ... well, also nothing I would bet on.
3) We are looking at a conservative chancellorship - meaning, social cuts will be made to finance rearmament. That in turn will increase voters for the Putin-friendly parties.
Putin has to be worried about both Kaliningrad and even St. Petersburg. And ultimately all of Siberia.
My hopes indeed rest on Poland, the Baltics and Scandinavia forming an informal alliance.
Meanwhile, the recent wave of young Russian emigres - despite some of them being sabotage sleeper agents – is likely changing the tenor of the Russian diaspora (e.g. in the Baltics) away from Putin.
Maybe. But as I perceive it, that are quite different social groups: The diaspora is quite conservative, working class, religious and sympathetic to Putin. The newcomers are often highly educated and progressive. (I happen to know some of them). If we were clever, we would employ them for counterpropaganda. Alas, we are not clever.
BTW, an observation: Russia uses "Throwaway Agents" hired over Telegram. Either they conserve sleepers for long-term operations, and don't want to risk them, or they have become rare themselves. Or just dumped the concept.
Your Trump scenarios all ignore Putin’s primary puppet string… blackmail. But Trump now has nothing to lose from any revelations VP might have.Much will depend on when DT realizes he can take revenge now on his blackmailer.
Mmmhaybeee. Over here I have made the observation that it is less blackmail but longterm relationships, especially in the academic sector.
The real problem is something else: It would not matter if Putin died tomorrow. The war would go on (once they have figured out who shall be put on the throne, and a few siloviki left the building through the window or got suicided in another way).
Years of imperialist propaganda and oppression have deformed the Russian civil society, and, to be honest, many also want the USSR back - also with with free travel, better cars and bananas.
In a way, these strongmen are prisoners of their own lies. The threat of an invasion remains whether Putin reigns or dies.
Dr Brin:
ReplyDeleteNo, that’s the point. They assume they can dispense with folks who actually know stuff.
That sounds less like a general strike and more like a general lockout. Maybe with the same result, but they'll be the ones doing it.
The sudden collapse of the US economy that is about to start due to immigration and governmental purges is not a consequence of Trump and Musk's actions - it is the purpose for those actions.
ReplyDeleteT/M are about to cause an extreme worldwide depression, which will allow those on the inside with capital to buy everything at fire sale prices.
It will create political will for things like immigrant slave labor and liberal "reeducation" camps. Hard times equal hard men, etc.
And the captive media will rush to blame the economic conditions on liberals, not on T/M. A general strike would exasperate this blame.
The horrible economy that T/M are purposefully committing that nation to is their own version of a Reichstag Fire.
Conservatives, Centrists, and oligarch controlled media will make sure to blame any resistance to T/M for the hardships.
Note that crypto is designed to kill the US dollar and the bond market. This is the #1 goal for cryptocurrencies.
Combine with a massive sell-off in the stock market (except for favored companies), the return of debtor's prison, and the desired end result will be to keep those pesky women, minorities, and smart folks dependent on the oligarchy.
Warren Buffet cashifying his assets seems to underscore that.
DeleteNormally I'd say I'm glad I don't live at all in the version of reality where matthew lives. But this is not a month when I am inclined toward optimism.
ReplyDeleteThere comes a time when "A man without hope is a man without fear."
DeleteTeflon Don is really Pushing it; he’s nominating a Fox newsreptile as SecDef. But will it be confirmed? These days all wagers are off.
ReplyDeleteProbably the nomination is merely to display his admiration for Fox, and he’ll nominated someone else after the current character is rejected.
He picked the Fox guy because Jerry Springer isn’t available, died last year—and Pee Wee Herman passed away yrs ago.
Trump has made it clear he wants to do recess appointments. That means he's not even confident of getting some of his picks approved by his lickspittle Senate.
DeleteWho could have seen it coming?
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"Uncommitted" Michigan delegate who refused to endorse Harris pleads on CNN with President Biden to do something about Netanyahu before Trump and Mike Huckabee complete an "ethnic cleansing campaign" of the West Bank and southern Lebanon
Sad but true.
ReplyDeletehttps://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2024/11/biden-will-be-remembered-more-for-what.html
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Institutionalism is bullshit. Tradition is often just another word for "behind the times." Goddamn, I can't get over that the president won't even pardon his maligned and persecuted son because of a belief in the innate goodness of institutions. Biden's tragic flaw, like its been for so many Democrats, is believing that if you just show your opponent that you're playing by the rules honestly, they'll respect that and work with you. It simply doesn't work that way anymore (if it ever truly did). The price we now have to pay for that fucked up adherence to an idealized past is incalculable. Despite all the good that Biden did do, much of what he got done will now be reversed by these jabbering jackals who could give a shit less if it hurts people to do it. Despite having made a significant contribution to helping the working class, mitigating climate change, getting us out of a pandemic, and more, that failure by Biden to evolve, even after having a front-row seat to Republicans obstructing Barack Obama endlessly, even while watching Republicans devolve in increasing and frightening ways, will be his legacy.
Remember when Obama said "When they go low, we go high."? It's an example of the idea that the example of the good that you do has power against malice. It has little and thinking that it has much disarms you. There is no way to fight the malicious that will feel good. You have to be prepared to loose some of your peace of mind when you fight evil. The right is doing something worse. They are protecting their peace of mind by developing an appetite for conflict. Which means that they are at their worst when they feel most righteous.
DeleteYes, but we’re talking in a different language than MAGAs and their fellow-travelers. What they tell me directly—or words to the effect—is that suffering builds character... the more someone suffers, the more character is built up in them. (And if one has the greatest character of all, one is crucified between two thieves.) They’re taking ‘what doesn’t kill me makes me stronger’ to the maximum.
ReplyDeleteThus we end up communicating at cross-purposes with MAGA-types.
Counterpoint: what doesn't kill me cripples me for life.
DeleteSome of them have it covered:
DeleteWhat crucifies me gives me eternal life in the Hereafter.
They’ve perfected such for millennia.
I do not agree with the rude pundit's assessment. The rules are for you to live by. The question to ask, of course, is can I continue to survive with the rules I follow?
ReplyDeleteA tweet from Sarah Kendzior today. Let's play:
ReplyDeleteWhen I'm bored and there's a new government appointment, I play "How many degrees from Jeffrey Epstein?"
Priztker: two, cousin Thomas being investigated for his role in Epstein crimes https://nypost.com/2023/04/03/google-co-founder-sergey-brin-subpoenaed-over-jpmorgans-epstein-ties/
Blinken: two, stepfather was the lawyer of Epstein and Robert Maxwell
Dr. Brin
ReplyDeleteNormally I'd say I'm glad I don't live at all in the version of reality where matthew lives. But this is not a month when I am inclined toward optimism.
Matthew's version of reality seems brighter than what I'm reading in Seth Abramson's substack. Make sure you schedule time to reset your amygdala after media consumption. For me it has to be weight lifting sessions, HIIT training in the pool or track, or just plain old manual labor.
Oh. And Gaetz for General Attorney.
ReplyDeleteFrom the Republic to Caligula without the detour of Caesar and Augustus.
Roger Stone to head the FBI, perhaps?
ReplyDeleteWe knew it would be awful, so don't waste too much time stressing over how awful it actually is.
Instead, let NZ Maori politicians show you how it's done.
Instead, let NZ Maori politicians show you how it's done.
DeleteRemarkable.
But isn't it what Republicans have done, hindering democratic processes with a lot of obstruction and noise?
But you are right. I did not want to rub it into your nose, so, sorry for that.
ReplyDeletelets talk about Republican senators.
ReplyDeleteWhat was once the greatest deliberative body in the history of government (matched only by the Roman Senate at the height of the Republic) has been reduced to craven cowards who lick Trump's arse.
They had to elect Thune (who Trump hates) as the majority leader in secret so as to not incur Trump's wrath on any one who voted for Thune.
In revenge, Trump nominated Gaetz, whose vote up or down is in the open.
Lets see if there are any republicans left with balls or integrity.
Interesting how history repeats itself.
Trump nominated Gaetz for AG for the same reasons Caligula nominated his horse as Consul - a loyalty test of the Senators.
Thanks to Trump and the white trash shitty people who voted him into office, America is now at the Caligula stage.
The big mistake liberals always make is assuming that the American people are intelligent enough and decent enough to be liberals.
ReplyDeleteI too made that mistake.
After Obama's election I thought we were now past racism.
Damn was I stupid.
I'll never make that same mistake again.
I wonder what will be left of The United Stares by the time the campaign for a CSA restoration runs its course? And will it be more sensible to attempt a new constitution? I expect whatever survives to be much poorer, much of our stature in the world is based on correct choice when faced with fortuitous circumstance, much of this'll be casually discarded, in ignorance of their worth. If we get to the other side of this having lost only the denomination of international trade in dollars, we will be fortunate, if we in the future are seen as a pestilence riddled cesspool of debt and iniquity it will be little surprise.
ReplyDeleteBut maybe that clown show is intentional.
ReplyDeleteRegardless of whether the new administration starts to round op the opposition, incarcerates or kills them, the constant chaos has an effect on people, especially if they have mouths to feed and bills to pay. People turn out of politics, either out of exhaustion or fear. Or both. That's what's happened everywhere else.
That is the real danger, that people stop caring about the society they live in and instead focus on personal survival.
A proposal for the Dems: Conduct Citizen Councils with randomly selected registered voters - and let them decide about policies. Give them access to experts, and maybe a payment to be able to concentrate on their job. After the council comes up with a decision, their vote becomes the official party policy.
Another proposal - support and advocacy for citizen science.
DeleteIt has been the path of least resistance to choose the elites with the least offensive policies. I could imagine the powers that be resenting outsiders... but they might also tire of being blindsided by reality outside their immediate perception.
DeleteMay this be the harbinger of emergence from an astrological nadir, toward some light.
ReplyDeletehttps://apnews.com/article/onion-buys-infowars-alex-jones-6496f198d141c991087dcd937b3588e9
As for this second link, well... here are known cases where the right diet and supplements could maybe do this... sigh...
https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1856770231932522960
On Contrary Brin DP commented: “Trump nominated Gaetz for AG for the same reasons Caligula nominated his horse as Consul - a loyalty test of the Senators.” Very good. I'll spread that around. But then...
ReplyDelete“After Obama's election I thought we were now past racism. Damn was I stupid.”
No you weren’t! I estimate maybe 20% of MAGAs are surficially racist! Most deny it and deeply resent the relentlessly stoopid "racist!!!" accusations from idiot-reflexive lefties, retorting “But I LOVE the GOOD ones!” Pointing at the many black and hispanic and women faces on Fox and at Mar-a-Lago.
That doesn’t make em non-racist! But it makes them feel immune from the accusation. Anyway, race/gender and all that are TRAPS to stick liberals to futility, like fly paper.
It is class. It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
And so far, the proto feudalist inheritance brats have succeeded in making it lower-middle (non-college) class pouring volcanic hate at upper-middle (college) class. While thus diverting attention from the top-most caste whose wealth disparities have skyrocketed for the top 0.01% way past French Revolution levels.
THAT is the reason for Gaetz etc. Because our outrage over this is like wine for MAGAs and their masters, licking our tears. That and prep for the coming all-out war vs the Civil Service.
DP join the campaign to get liberals to SNAP OUT of the goddam “racism/sexism” trap. It is fly paper. Our parents and grandparents -- the Roosevelteans -- would have recognized what's going on. It’s class-war.
Jeepers! See this!! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/you-draw-inference-gaetz-literally-saved-trump-from-report-beckwith-atq9c/?published=t
ReplyDeleteDr Brin:
ReplyDeleteI estimate maybe 20% of MAGAs are surficially racist! Most deny it and deeply resent the relentlessly stoopid "racist!!!" accusations from idiot-reflexive lefties, retorting “But I LOVE the GOOD ones!”
When most people use the term "racist", they mean something like a complete aversion to anyone but their own race. Thus the "some of my best friends" counterargument.
What MAGAts overwhelmingly voted for is some sort of returning to and cementing into law a superior caste for straight, white Christian men. This doesn't require them to hate the castes they consider inferior--they just want themselves to be the ones who get to set policy.
Strictly speaking, the word "racist" probably describes someone who classifies people by race rather than someone who hates those of a certain race. So by the letter of the term, those MAGAts definitely are racist. However the term "racist" probably doesn't sound that way to most listeners, so it's time to stop pretending that it works as intended.
As Asimov put it, "We've known for centuries that 'oxygen' is a misnomer, but what can you do?"
BTW, when I first heard the term "sexist", I thought it meant someone who is in favor of sex, or who spends much of their time dwelling on sex. Given the way the term was first thrown about in the 70s, that probably wasn't far off.
DeleteSorry, Larry, I don't even agree with "What MAGAts overwhelmingly voted for is some sort of returning to and cementing into law a superior caste for straight, white Christian men." Yes, some. Even many. But clearly hatred of nerdy fact professions is vastly stronger than exclusivity of self-identity. Just look at both the propaganda and recent outcomes.
ReplyDeleteA majority of red-americans are NOT viscerally about exclusive power for straight, white Christian men. Jesus how many times do I have to say it? MOST of them welcome 'good ones' blacks, hispanics, women who embrace and share their hatred of nerds. They are intermarrying, like Ginny Thhomas, with hardly a peep from MAGAs. F&&&K! How many times do I have to urge you guys to LOOK at what runs on Fox?
Power? POWER? Wholly crap. Power is what it is about! But not power for for straight, white Christian men. In the 1770s poor straight, white Christian men fought and died for power for king and lords. 1860s poor, straight, white Christian men fought and died for power for slaver-plantation barons. In the 1920s poor, straight, white Christian men wore hoods and marched for gilded age aristocrats terrified of unions. Sure, blacks were enslaved or lynched! But the POWER objective was for the oligarchs.
Today poor straight, white Christian men are riled up directly against the meritocratically powerful nerd castes who are exactly the castes who stand in the way of inheritance brats once again being lords.
Snap out of it! It is class. It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
It’s class-war.
Sure, blacks were enslaved or lynched! But the POWER objective was for the oligarchs.
DeleteBut isn't that achieved by tricking the foot-soldiers, who aren't actually motivated by granting power to rich inheritance lords? And isn't that tricking done by riling those foot-soldiers up against such grievances as uppity blacks demanding equality and women supporting themselves instead of relying on a man and illegal aliens taking jobs from Americans?
The end may be removal of the fact-based opposition, but the means involve inciting anger over prayer in schools and treating people as equals (i.e."woke"), and immigrants eating pets and a myriad other things, high on the list of which is the looming demographic loss of the white majority.
You make it sound as if I don't recognize fact-hatred at all. I do. But I don't accept the notion that nothing else is at work here in service of parallel goals. Do you really think that texts are sent to black people saying, "You've been selected to pick cotton..." because of nerds? That they post "Your body, my choice!" on women's Facebook pages because of nerds? That they chant, "Jews will not replace us!" because of nerds.
Mr. Brin,
ReplyDeleteYou are happy to support a country that lists Americans on their publically available hitlist. You are happy to support a country that lists American politicians on their hitlist (there are screenshots online) -- and one in particular that has suffered two assassination attempts this year.
I never imagined to find a science fiction author that would support terroristic countries.
You really ought to talk with your friends who serve as public servants. The -real- adults in the room (one of whom you know, so don't try and tell me they don't exist) didn't say boo about Trump. They're not loyalists (they've got the worst loyalty scores, for the part of the government that keeps track of that sort of thing).
I agree that it is horrible to ban Science Fiction Authors from writing novels -- and yet this is what the Biden Administration has done, via blanket bans on writing anything at all (for members of the administration). Expecting a blatantly pro-censorship administration (they banned Russian State Media on Youtube -- the media that all russians know is lies, and love to debate "how much is the Kremlin lying today?") to offer amnesty for blackmailed people? That's legitimately "off your rocker." Particularly since you're advocating for amnesty for pedophiles and people involved in blood sports (it's a sex thing).
Zed here's the deal. I say that everything you just saiod ranges from 75% to 100% aboslute lies. Including anything you said about me or anything at all. So... how about you have your atty contact me when you have escrowed real $$$ woth my time in wager stakes over what I just asserted about you being a lying raver? %000 might be worth my time. Otherwise, well, I have TONS more credibility. And you are a lying, rabid frothing raver.
DeleteWhere are my fucking waders when I need them?
ReplyDeleteI tried to guess which country, but none that I thought of made sense.
DeleteI'm sure it says something about me that these are the options I am considering for making it through the new Trump administration:
ReplyDelete+ Use the technique from Somewhere In Time to travel back to 1977 and just stay there.
+ Find all six Infinity Stones and make Republicans disappear
+ On the theory that life will soon totally suck no matter what, cash out all my retirement funds, quit my job, and live it up in hedonistic splendor for the next two months. This will almost guarantee that the universe will cause me to regret it by magically restoring a sane future by means yet unguessed.
I'm not an idiot. I know the first two are fantasy, though I can't think of anything realistic that might work better. I'm leaning toward the last one. That's in line with how life works for me. I'll gladly take it for the team, though.
Heh. I was going to offer to buy up your retirement investments on the cheap, but that might make you include me when you do the snap. 8)
DeleteSeriously, though, for the couple of years I expect a volatile stock market. I intend to sell options shortly after the turd-elect opens his mouth and spooks people... then buy them back when things calm down. That should work as a moderate source of income for at least until the turd expiration date arrives. Not sure how to play the second-rate turd yet.
Unsurprisingly, JFK jr for health secretary.
ReplyDeleteSenate had better not recess...
https://www.threads.net/@stonekettle
DeleteNew possible HHS secretary RFK Jr. has said chemicals in the water could be turning children gay:
Keystone Kops for the
ReplyDeleteCapitol Police Board?
Larry,
ReplyDeleteWhen most people use the term "racist", they mean something like a complete aversion to anyone but their own race.
No. I had an uncle who qualified as a classic racist. It was more about superiority and enforced social strata and a whole lot of fear than about aversion. He knew in his bones his people were better and was willing to beat the n***ers who got uppity about that point. I remember a small baseball bat in the trunk of his car and how we didn't talk about him at the dinner table when certain topics arose. He was a nice enough guy in other regards, but he was damn certain of his place relative to their place. [My cousins from his part of the family tree all decided he was wrong about that.]
Racism implies an understanding of inferiority of an entire group of people defined (weakly) by their race and then among many carries an implied threat of enforcing that 'fact' in the form of social opportunities.
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I'm with David on this one. It is class war. Probably always has been through all the phases of our Civil War. The various colonists driven out of England over the decades that populated the early colonies weren't exactly friendly to each other. They were NOT from the same social strata back in the homeland... and we've carried on that practice with each wave of immigrants by adding more layer. Each of the older layers moves as fast as it can to ensure it isn't on the bottom anymore.
Thing is... if it IS class war... it takes more than one side to fight it. I'm pretty sure I DO know better than many in the US how things should work, so I'm quite willing to fight for my side. If that makes me an elitist in their eyes... so be it.
No. I had an uncle who qualified as a classic racist. It was more about superiority and enforced social strata and a whole lot of fear than about aversion.
DeleteDid you read the next part of what I wrote. You're not disagreeing with it.
I'm with David on this one. It is class war. Probably always has been through all the phases of our Civil War.
And still, your uncle who knows that the white race is superior and is willing to enforce that with a baseball bat isn't fighting that war because he's afraid of nerds. He's fighting for white nationalism.
I never said all MAGAts are white Christian nationalists, but I won't concede that that isn't the appeal to a large subset of them.
That particular uncle shuffled off long ago, but I'll let our host speak about what's bothering him. He's doing a better job of it than I am... but I DO agree with him.
DeleteAnd it's only a matter of time before droughts, floods, wildfires, super tornadoes and cat 5 hurricanes are blame on us tolerating lgbtq.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.salon.com/2024/11/05/human-sacrifice-tucker-carlson-says-abortion-is-to-for-freak-hurricanes/?in_brief=true
“Human sacrifice”: Tucker Carlson says abortion is to blame for freak hurricanes
On a podcast, Carlson denied climate change is responsible for the growing intensity of tropical storms
Fuck us just fuck us.
We're a nation of morons
"..., but I won't concede that that isn't the appeal to a large subset of them."
ReplyDeleteWhich is what I've said over and over and over and over again till I'm blue. JESUS. Seriously. AGAIN! There are many racist-sexist dog whistles of varying degress aimed at various kinds of MAGAS, from pure haters to those who have adjusted to interracial marriage and "normal gays' but swallow the involuntary-trans shit... and THEY ARE ALL RESPONDING TO DOG WHISTLES FOR ONE REASON. Because they aren't being offered the real enemy.
Dog whistles to keep MAGAs aimed at hating all libs. And Libs FALL FOR IT, by screaming absurdly counter-productive denunciations at MAGAS of the latter kind WHO DO NOT FEEL RACIST AND DEEPLY RESENT THE SMUG ACCUSATIONS.
It is flypaper. And libs dive onto it and roll and roll around untill swaddled in sanctimony and utter futility. And the time has come to stop being mealy mouth about it. STOP screaming at non-college whites that they are immoral people! Stop it. Simply stop. Stop it now. Stop it or this will keep happening. STOP IT!
No one is rying to re-establish the Rooseveltean coaltion, because NO ONE has any concept of history or how it happened or what the Greatest Generation knew, or what motivated those folks - MOST OF WHOM were far more "racist and sexist" than all but the worst MAGAs today - yet they were motivated to nevertheless join an alliance to save the enlightenment from restoration of feudalism. Because even the ill-educated then had a f-ing clue what it was about and almost ZERO folks today - even Fareed Zakaria - have no clue at all.
It... is... f***king class war. Stop it. Stop it now.
With all due respect Dr. Brin these non college educated whites knowingly voted for and reelected a corrupt racist rapist felon fascist.
ReplyDeletePlease excuse me if I am feeling less than charitable towards such people.
Because they are riled up with unsapient hate, sure, toward us, because we are too stoopid to use our brains to redirect it where it needs to go. Bad tactics are bad tactics. And screaming at them does not guide them toward light. Screaming at them is what the would be masters want us to do. I give up.
DeleteI've been screamed at by elites. I've also been befriended by a few. That made all the difference (that and reading SF as a kid). Charity has little to do with it.
DeleteNow, David wants to yell "class war?"
ReplyDeleteWell, welcome to the team I guess. Better late than never?
Just remember that a bunch of folks to your left have been pointing this class war out to you for literal decades and you had spent very much of your efforts demonizing your allies for doing the pointing. Arguing that liberals were to blame for poor misunderstood billionaires doing bad things because the oligarchs were autistic or doing *some* less-evil oligarching.
Remember that when multiple people pointed out to you that our new shadow president was evil at his core morals and in his behavior, you said that he had been very nice to you at dinner, and might even take your calls?
David, you have a lot of amends to make for your years of making excuses for the oligarchs that were polite to you, even as they were plotting to undo your stated life's work. You, personally, David, made a lot of excuses for billionaires behaving in the same way that you now (correctly) call class war.
When you are bragging ad nausium about how much good you personally have done in the world, don't forget to add the bad karma on your personal balance sheet for giving cover to multiple monsters that stroked your ego and got you to speak out in support of them.
At how many of your seminars have you spread the meme of the "good enlightened billionaire?"
How many times did you use that line when talking to techbros or centrist intelligence agency-types?
How many of your audience were willing to give a benefit of the doubt to the guy that wants to destroy our dollar, because of *your personal vouch for him*?
I know the number isn't zero, because I gave Musk more credit than he deserved simply on your personal word. You convinced me to give that evil asshole chance after chance until I simply learned to discount what you said and actually looked at what the jackass was doing.
In this main posting, right here, you call for a "good billionaire" to come in and save us, and then you jump to say "class war" in the comments?
Forgive me if I don't take your sudden fervor seriously. You pointed out that oligarchs were trying to send us back to feudalism in The Transparent Society, and then you spent the next 25 years of the fight telling oligarchs, guardians, government officials, and anyone that would listen how great some of those oligarchs really were.
If nothing else, you, like Trump, are a spectacular bad judge of character.
"Just remember that a bunch of folks to your left have been pointing this class war out to you for literal decades and you had spent very much of your efforts demonizing your allies for doing the pointing."
DeleteBull puckey., You ignoramuses know nothing about what "left" or "right" mean. Your notions of class war bear little overlap with anything from Marx or Adam Smith or any of a myriad things my dad could have told you because they were all steeped in the history and the vocabulary. And your notions of "left" are Dr. Suess level.
YOU did this catastrophe. ASK the Red voters. They felt your hate and returned it, in kind. As for my 'becoming aware.' Step up now with wager stakes whether there is ANY difference in what I'vejust said and what I've been saying for years -- e.g. about 6000 years of feudalism and the only innovations that ever got us out of it.
But you know this and that makes every single thing you just said a deliberate and outright lie. If you were remotely sapient you would right now be asking for reading material.
Never thought I'd be cheered by John THune. But while a deep red Republican he appears not to be a blackmailed Kremlin shill. And Senate Repubs voted him in as leader by secret ballot, so they can individually tell Trump "it wasn't me!" And...
ReplyDelete...and DT overplayed his hand. He stood a real chance of getting Senate repubs to adjourn and let all Trump's appointments in as "recess" appts. But now (Please God) - because of Gaetz and RFKJ and Gabbard, there will be hearings for every one.
Matthew
ReplyDeleteYou are conflating two entirely different things - OGH - is not supporting the inheritance brats and never has been
He does support those who USE the tools of society to make things better
Just as he does support those RICH people who implemented "The New Deal"
As far as Musk is concerned - the good that he has done outweighs the bad ten thousand to one
And if you can't see that then you are blind
Well, Duncan. I used to say the ratio was hugely in favor of ERM, for advancing the electric car by 15 years, putting up 2 million solar roofs, advancing home batteries and those self landing rockets*... all prevailing vastly over his increasingly unhinged blather. I even jested that his one great business failure was on that darker side of the ledger.
DeleteNOW? I'm not so sure. I personally doubt that twitter made the difference in the election. But if later analyses show that it did? That whole balance could shift wholly over to damnation. In other words. I am adaptable.
Let's be clear. When I denounce 'inheritance brats, hedge/wallstreet parasites, carbon moguls, murder sheiks and "ex"commissars in a Kremlin that is unchanged except new paint and icons... I DO (as matthew implies) exclude many 'industrial' billionnaires! Those who serve functions of 'capital formation' that Marx utterly admired and deemed totally necessary. (And matthew's pretensions of 'leftism,' while knowing NOTHING about all that, reveal a pompous ignoramous.)
What lenin tried for a few years - and was too impatient to let play out - but that FDR succeeded at - was allowing industrial capitalists to perform their function in creating the means for vast wealth, but forbidding their exploiting/tormenting the working class (who the roosevelteans successfully invited into a vast middle class that Marx NEVER expected). And taxing those capitalists sufficiently that they could not become feudal lords.
Reagan and successors changed all that and for 40 years democrats fumbled around making the case, alas. They must make it now. Despite the yowls of dopes like m, who (again) merit huge partial blame for the recent calamity. And haven't the slightest curiosity about how to do course corrections. And smugly refuse even the concept of coalition building.
Bets re a Biden surprise? No he won't do the blackmail maneuver, dammit. But he MIGHT resign a month early and make Kamala President.
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ReplyDeleteI would be amazed if Twitter made a measurable difference!
If it had been a squeaker - just winning - then it could have been reasonable to put some blame on Musk
But it wasn't!
I thought he was mad to support a loser - I was wrong
If I was Musk and I thought that Trump was going to win THEN his support makes perfect sense -
The GOP are the "Bad Guys" - you need to placate them
The Dems are the "Good Guys" - they are going to try and do "what is right"
Supporting the Dems does not buy you much - but NOT supporting the GOP could destroy your dreams
On the "plus side" - those huge utility batteries are going to make an enormous difference over the next few years - they have already "killed the California duck" - and without Tesla they would not be here
I'm quite certain Musk sees the Dems as the bad guys and the GOP as the less-bad guys.
DeleteI too doubt Twitter made much of a difference beyond giving Musk a place to speak. I didn't see much movement among those who responded to that speech.
Stumping for Trump apparently did matter, though. Some.
I think it would help people understand Musk's potential impact if they watched the crowds who watch the rocket launches. Those events likely speak louder than Musk can even with his ownership of Twitter. Look at the viewer counts, comments, and all the secondary videos that pop up related to the Starship tests. Those are speaking to the hopes and dreams of many.
Alfred Differ:
ReplyDeleteThat particular uncle shuffled off long ago, but I'll let our host speak about what's bothering him. He's doing a better job of it than I am
Ok, I see that tarring all MAGAs with the racist brush makes them resentful. I'm not doing that, but neither was Hillary when she said that some Trump supporters were deplorable, but that we should try to reach the other ones who weren't. Doesn't matter--all they hear is "You all suck."
I'd like to ask the same favor in reverse. I've never shamed anyone for using gendered pronouns or defended urban crime, but because I'm on the side advocating for justice and equality and rule of law, I get to hear all the time that "All you talk about is pronouns and woke." Why is it acceptable to blame liberals for the worst rhetoric that comes from our side of the aisle, while right-wingers get a free pass from their extremists?
Is it because a droid doesn't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose[, but] wookiees have been known to do that?
On the other topic:
Seriously, though, for the couple of years I expect a volatile stock market. I intend to sell options shortly after the turd-elect opens his mouth and spooks people... then buy them back when things calm down.
Heh. I'm not sure it was clear, but selling now (not cheap, btw) and living it up for two months was not meant as a strategy for maximizing wealth. It was a concession to the idea that things would never calm down, and that there'd be no point to saving money for the time when we'd be living in a Postman world. It was a "Party like it's 1999" strategy.
And if things do actually calm down enough for your own strategy to pay off, then that's what you'd be able to thank me for. See, if I set things up so that I'd be disappointed with a return to normalcy (because I've already blown my funds), then the universe will conspire to make sure that happens. That's what I meant by taking one for the team. Yes, it's all about me. :)
When I finally get around to reading your blog after my own little healing from this disaster, I've come to one conclusion, especially given pronouncements from Russia. Trump is a Russian asset. I know you've said as much of others, Dr. Brin, but I don't know if you stated this directly or not. Here's the quote that got me to believe it's true, from an article by Fred Kaplan in Slate.
ReplyDeleteThe final twist of this saga came on Monday when Russia’s intelligence
chief, Nikolai Patrushev, made the following comment in an interview
with the Moscow newspaper Kommersant:
"The election campaign is over. To achieve success in the election,
Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding
obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them."
I would suggest that you, Dr. Brin, go on as many media outlets as you can and start stating this and your other ideas that others are compromised as well. Notify responsible congressmen and senators if possible. Hopefully, someone will listen. And yes, your idea for truth and reconciliation type thing is spot on. When someone from the Russian government states such it should immediately spark an investigation.
DeletePutin wants two things, I feel. 1) The U.S.A. drop support of Ukraine and 2) the destruction of our government. It doesn't even take that many compromised people when you have such craven egomaniacs and otherwise corrupt overly-rich working with Trump to succeed either. Just a few in well chosen places of power.
Larry I agree with all you said... and I have tried hard to make the distinction clear, over and over and none of my memes ever get used and most media do not want ideas Not Invented (actually just parroted) Here. Still here goes again.
ReplyDeleteYes, the FAR left CONTAINS fact-allergic, troglodyte-screeching dogmatists who wage war on science and hate the American tradition of steady, pragmatic reform, and who would impose their prescribed morality on you.
But today’s mad ENTIRE right CONSISTS of fact-allergic, troglodyte-screeching dogmatists who wage war on science and hate the American tradition of steady, pragmatic reform, and who would impose their prescribed morality on you.
There is all the world’s difference between FAR and ENTIRE. As there is between CONTAINS and CONSISTS.
Better c-words neither cult can utter = COMPETITION and CONSENSUS. If it were possible to bridge the ideological divide and negotiate, even a little, there are some incremental things we could agree to do. Alas, one party has a 'Hastert Rule' against ever negotiating. Ever.
All of that could have clarified the landscape ages ago. But both parties have allowed themselves to be utterly bullied by their fringes. In the GOP case it is utter discipline fiercely enforced and augmented by blackmail. (And who woulda thunk John Thune might be an American hero?)
Dems accept wide diversity and a majority are sane. But the bilious hate that pours from the so-called 'left' onto Bill Maher for standing up to bad tactics is appalling. Sure, he's a smartass provocateur who cares foremost about being an asshole comic. But 80% his crits are also valid.
gmknobl I have been calling Trump a Russian asset for ten years. There is a photo I have posted on blog a dozen times of the giddy joy when in January 2017 he invited as his 1st guests Lavrov & Kisliak and they seemed about to plotz from ecstasy.
ReplyDeleteI've often thought that a century ago, it would've been far less expensive to have placed modest limits on markets and finance, compared to what was needed to pick up the pieces later. Should Trump succeed in running this nation as he would one of his enterprises, similar thoughts may occur to those who survive this. I think those who've fought so vigorously against anything that vaguely resembles the new deal share a portion of the blame.
ReplyDeleteComedian John Fuglsang:
ReplyDelete"Recess appointments are how Matt Gaetz meets his next date."
And he's already got as much foreplay as he'll ever get from this one.
DeleteIt's not just Twitter.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/15/republican-ads-false-flag/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3fa6637%2F67377d29037c425c211f3af9%2F63c32bbdc5a38f50378b8b80%2F13%2F58%2F67377d29037c425c211f3af9
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Muslims in Michigan began seeing pro-Israel ads this fall praising Vice President Kamala Harris for marrying a Jewish man and backing the Jewish state. Jews in Pennsylvania, meanwhile, saw ads from the same group with the opposite message: Harris wanted to stop U.S. arms shipments to Israel.
Another group promoted “Kamala’s bold progressive agenda” to conservative-leaning Donald Trump voters, while a third filled the phones of young liberals with videos about how Harris had abandoned the progressive dream. Black voters in North Carolina were told Democrats wanted to take away their menthol cigarettes, while working-class White men in the Midwest were warned that Harris would support quotas for minorities and deny them Zyn nicotine pouches.
What voters had no way of knowing at the time was that all of the ads were part of a single $45 million effort created by political advisers to Tesla founder Elon Musk who had previously worked on the presidential campaign of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), according to a presentation about the group’s efforts obtained by The Washington Post.
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Just pretend the excerpt is italicized? Cool?
DeleteBut the point (besides "Elon Musk is more responsible for this than we give him credit/blame for") is: How much does it matter if we don't call them all racists or talk about pronouns and Latinx? The right-wing mediasphere will tell them that we're calling them all racists and flogging pronouns and Latinx.
DeleteLH, if wages had kept pace with productivity, would "Drumph!" have gained much traction at all?
ReplyDeleteThe way I see it, outsourcing and automation and other means of corporations making more profit with fewer employees (or keeping the wages of the employees they do have down) has been in line with Republican laissez-faire, anti-union policy since Reagan's time. It blows my mind that voters blame the effects of that policy on Democrats and think Republicans are fighting for them on that issue.
DeleteLH you persist in missing my point. We cannot eliminate lefty sanctimony-yammerers nor should we. But they are in-effect servants of the real enemy, helping MAGAs to rile up against Lib'ruls... when the real campaign - about to his full flame - is against the professions and especially the civil service...
ReplyDelete...and liberals like you will NEVER stand up to be enraged against that real, desperate struggle. You will always swallow the bait.
I'm not missing the point--I'm making different points. Not everything I say begins with an implied, "You're wrong because..."
DeleteI've personally argued as much as anyone that the main reason to vote for Harris (or Biden, or Hillary before) was the competent professionals she would surround herself with, in contrast to the nominations that Trump is making as we speak.
I also remember a meme making the rounds about the time of Occupy Wall Street: A Koch brother, a middle-class person, and a union organizer are at a table with a dozen fresh, warm cookies before them. The Koch brother grabs 11 of the cookies, then leans over to the middle class guy, and whispers, "Watch out for that union guy. He's after your cookie." The point was being made over a decade ago, but it doesn't seem to have the same visceral appeal as, "Haitians are eating pets."
Even earlier than that, I vividly remember an old Clarence Page column in which he quoted a conversation between Nixon and Henry Kissinger in which Kissinger let anti-Semitic remarks roll off his back. Page then addressed the reader, "Attention blacks and Jews. People with real power are laughing at you while convincing you to fight with each other."
My own evaluation--and this is just me thinking it--is that a certain type of person finds more pleasure in punching down than in punching up. The arguments that one's powerful superiors are the real enemy just don't have the persuasive oomph of the arguments to beat up on powerless inferiors. I'm not sure how we break through that, especially when so many voters get all their information on right-wing media anyway, and those media won't carry our message accurately.
Breaking news: Infowars went onto court-ordered auction, and was bought by The Onion.
ReplyDeleteThat's not an Onion story, it really happened. But it sounds like an Onion story. The Onion's bid was supported by the Sandy Hill families.
Dr. Brin, does this buy-out count as rhetorical judo? The real fake news outlet buys the fake real news outlet? If the foe's power is in absurdity, then satire and humor are a working defense. Chaotic Evil vs Chaotic Good.
Pro tip: do not defame grieving families. The First Amendment does not protect libel. Under U.S. law, truth is an absolute defense against any libel charge, but Alex Jones did not convince the judge that his slander was true.
The Onion gets the studio, the website, some vehicles, some supplements, and the gay frogs. Future Onion headline: "Gay Frogs Buy The Moon".
The Onion needs to be careful of Poe's law.
Delete@Don,
DeleteI noticed a long time ago that it's hard to do parody because real life is so satirical on its own.
Alex Jones is back in court arguing that the auction was rigged against him. He was bidding for Infowars using one of his subsidiary companies.
DeleteMusk will buy the Onion, and Trump will buy Musk...
DeleteThey swallow each other:
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And Trump might make Jan 6th a National Holiday, after pardoning the 1/6 convicts; but he will also—to appear evenhanded—pardon Hunter Biden.
Conspiring to do an insurrection, I see. Hmmmmmm.
ReplyDeleteWhat? The supreme court said it's legal to do that now. In fact, the Constitution practically requires it.
DeleteAll the NASA and JPL layoffs worrisome. Tough times for galactic civilization types like me.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I was talking about when I said it's not just a matter of balancing on a scale the good things vs the bad things that Elon Musk has done.
DeleteHe's now doing bad things that threaten to erase any benefit of the good things.
The future of the Enlightenment may indeed hang on that 20 minute face-to-face between Musk and yours truly :)
Delete"All the NASA and JPL layoffs worrisome. Tough times for galactic civilization types like me." Aliens would suppress us this way.
ReplyDeleteLH I deem my point to be proved. Everything you say is true. And nothing in it addresses any of my challenges. Especially, I ask when, ever-ever-ever-ever will you admit that the main objects of BOTH lower-MAGA ire AND Oligarch enmity is the nerdy fact professions?
BY FAR the most spews on Fox etc. and BY FAR more web dog whistles than anything clearly identifiable as racist or sexist. Not a single scroll down on FB or Twitter fails to reveal another spew of hatred of universities.
But you cannot step up and defend your own kind. Even when shown how those attacks are THE central agenda of the enemies of the Enlightenment.
Will you wake up ONLY when the full frontal attack to destroy the US Civil Service and military officer corps is in full swing?
Again. the core purpose of racist dog whistles is NOT to rile confederate asses against races. It is to lure liberals into focusing ONLY on that and never to actually defend themselves.
But you cannot step up and defend your own kind.
DeleteWhat exactly would you consider "stepping up" to look like?
DeleteAgain. the core purpose of racist dog whistles is NOT to rile confederate asses against races. It is to lure liberals into focusing ONLY on that and never to actually defend themselves.
Since you're calling me out personally, I don't focus ONLY on race. I focus quite a bit on bullying of all kinds, including when the victims are nerds. Again, what am I failing at? I should ignore the torture-death of George Floyd and the MAGAts who make a hero and role model of the cop, because that's not the real issue? Ignore the women dying of treatable complications of pregnancy because that's not the real issue?
"Defend my own kind," how?
Ok, my wife is laughing hysterically at this one.
ReplyDeleteShe says someone on Facebook posted a picture of Matt Gaetz with the caption, "When Q-Anon said they wanted to bring pedophiles to Justice, I didn't know this is what they meant."
Least surprising face-eating leopards:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/muslims-who-voted-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks-2024-11-15/
WASHINGTON, Nov 14 (Reuters) - U.S. Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration's support for Israel's war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his Cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
"Trump won because of us and we're not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others," said Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
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Hassan Abdel Salam, a former professor at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities and co-founder of the Abandon Harris campaign, which endorsed Green Party candidate Jill Stein, said Trump's staffing plans were not surprising, but had proven even more extreme that he had feared.
"It's like he's going on Zionist overdrive," he said. "We were always extremely skeptical...Obviously we're still waiting to see where the administration will go, but it does look like our community has been played."
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Trump made several visits to cities with large Arab American and Muslim populations, include a stop in Dearborn, a majority Arab city, where he said he loved Muslims, and Pittsburgh, where he called Muslims for Trump "a beautiful movement. They want peace. They want stability."
Rola Makki, the Lebanese American, Muslim vice chair for outreach of the Michigan Republican Party, shrugged off the criticism.
"I don't think everyone's going to be happy with every appointment Trump makes, but the outcome is what matters," she said. "I do know that Trump wants peace, and what people need to realize is that there's 50,000 dead Palestinians and 3,000 dead Lebanese, and that's happened during the current administration."
You know what Trump administration officials call 50,000 dead Palestinians and 3000 dead Lebanese? "A start."
For anyone interested, here's that webinar Erik Petersen did with the Australian Conservation Foundation earlier this week
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