tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post8233732319410751558..comments2024-03-18T21:52:45.757-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Voices in AI - and life-extensionDavid Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger148125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-4758725847231790732016-03-20T16:35:25.423-07:002016-03-20T16:35:25.423-07:00After giving talks in DC to several packed halls f...<i>After giving talks in DC to several packed halls filled with agency civil servants about “threat and danger horizons,” I encountered this Russian video showing a machine-gun armed quad-copter in action. How long before one of these is used to assassinate somebody? First use will likely lead to the banning, then tight regulation of drones in the US. </i><br /><br />Because clearly the most dangerous part of machinegun+drone is the drone…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83769279808804468672016-03-16T15:56:38.048-07:002016-03-16T15:56:38.048-07:00oops. another thread has started. I'm moving o...oops. another thread has started. I'm moving onward. 8)Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-73318397516576164702016-03-16T15:42:46.545-07:002016-03-16T15:42:46.545-07:00Heh. Gratefulness is quite appropriate considering...Heh. Gratefulness is quite appropriate considering how cantankerous some of us can be. Take a good look at what your wife is doing, though, when she chooses to be part of your life. If your relationship is working well, she pays attention to you and learns you. Remember an old TV gameshow involving newlyweds trying to demonstrate they knew each other? It wouldn’t work as well with a couple who’ve been married a couple of decades. Why?<br /><br />There is also this little thing some of us say at funerals. The deceased person is survived by… family, friends, and other loved ones. We generally don’t list people the deceased person loved unless they loved them back. If someone loves you in the copying sense, they really COULD fulfill the ‘survived by’ duty. That’s the only way they could… because they remember.<br /><br />Anyway, Hofstadter explained it better in the Strange Loop book. It is a difficult section because he frames it in terms of his sudden loss of his wife, but in those terms the sense of the thing stands out best. The tragedy makes it clear what he lost beyond his life partner. It also helps frame the runaway case of human evolution and the growth of our brains. We need them to be big enough to represent more than one person within us. It also helps to frame an explanation of the role language plays as a compression algorithm for these copies. I can say ‘cantankerous old man’ in English and fluent speakers will know a lot about the person to whom I am pointing. See the compression? David’s expression about boomers being sanctimonious you-know-whats is similar. 8)Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-5066502293559038422016-03-16T13:03:12.033-07:002016-03-16T13:03:12.033-07:00furthermore...
The word "love" has a co...furthermore...<br /><br />The word "love" has a connotation of something very important and sacrosanct.<br /><br />To say "I am sexually aroused when I see her" is nothing more than a biological function, similar to "My mouth waters when I smell a steak cooking." To say you "love" someone implies that the feeling is momentous, and perhaps even that it is sanctified. It seeks to confer <b>value</b> on what you are describing.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-67663685282429226742016-03-16T12:54:24.972-07:002016-03-16T12:54:24.972-07:00Alfred Differ:
I love a good steak too. 8) Engli...Alfred Differ:<br /><i><br /> I love a good steak too. 8) English is so much fun when we overload our analogy webs. <br /></i><br /><br />I knew that wasn't your point, but it was appropriate enough to require a mention.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i><br />In this case, though, it is the sensory experience I desire from eating a good steak. <br /></i><br /><br />I think "love" in that sense is a metaphor. "I find a steak to be so enticing that my thoughts in anticipation and my feelings during consummation rise to the level similar to that regarding a beloved person." You don't literally "love" the steak.<br /><br /><i><br />Some of us love our wives in a similar way, <br /></i><br /><br />Heh.<br /><br /><i><br />thus the temptation to overload the verb, but love of another person often implies something broader than a desire for an experience. Without that reach, some of us begin to think of a relationship with another person as shallow. We are expecting more. What I suspect we are expecting is to copy that other person to some degree.<br /></i><br /><br />I agree with the broader experience, but am not sure about "copying". What I think of as familial love is tied up with gratitude. I'm grateful someone like her (my wife) with her qualities exists. I'm grateful she is part of my life, and willingly so. Because I find her romantically attractive, I'm grateful that she reciprocates the feeling. I'm grateful that a single package contains both the physical components and the other personal ones, so I don't have to cheat on one woman to get what I'd want from another. All of that and more are bound up in the concept I try to describe by saying I love her.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-5111198108487573692016-03-16T12:39:13.407-07:002016-03-16T12:39:13.407-07:00@locumranch: Bah. The software engineer within me ...@locumranch: Bah. The software engineer within me looks beyond the person doing the work and sees the work as something that can be divided and morphed. When we automate some piece of what you do, time might be multiplied because the automation does it faster. A doctor’s 8 hour day with 16 appointment slots might contain 24 slots if part of what she does isn’t done by her anymore. If a machine can do it cheaper, then my appointment will be with a doctor/computer team. I already see this with my current HMO and I’m all for it.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-82437123087090738562016-03-16T12:18:23.964-07:002016-03-16T12:18:23.964-07:00@Robert: Are you are referring to Obama’s victory ...@Robert: Are you are referring to Obama’s victory in ’08? The way I remember it in the general election, there was actually a decent chance he was going to lose up until the financial sector melted down. In the primary season he pulled off a well-orchestrated upset, but I think that was mostly about Dems fooling themselves in a traditional way. After many years of GOP rule, they lost the House and Dem appetites were focused on the White House. Anyone successfully identifying as a candidate of Change was going to be appealing. That wasn’t Hillary. What Obama did was impressive, but Clinton has learned from the experience and we are seeing that knowledge applied this time around.<br /><br />I DO think the Dems need to learn something from Sanders and apply it the next time around. Their voter base is shifting towards Sander’s positions. The pull toward the center by Bill Clinton in the 90’s looks to be long in the tooth. In another decade, I think we will look back at Sanders as a sign of a shift that will be complete by then.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-24045302774383517772016-03-16T12:01:50.721-07:002016-03-16T12:01:50.721-07:00@LarryHart: Regarding Rand, I think the simplest r...@LarryHart: Regarding Rand, I think the simplest relationship is enough to refute the position people say she adopted. Marriage. Many of us enter into it willingly and surrender some of our individual sovereignty. In Vinge's Tinnish terms, I'd argue that married people are a duo to some degree. Their might not be an obvious mind speaking through two parts, but there IS something there that produces behaviors not observed in singletons.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-34742655062036754862016-03-16T11:56:28.307-07:002016-03-16T11:56:28.307-07:00@LarryHart: I love a good steak too. 8) English is...@LarryHart: I love a good steak too. 8) English is so much fun when we overload our analogy webs. In this case, though, it is the sensory experience I desire from eating a good steak. Some of us love our wives in a similar way, thus the temptation to overload the verb, but love of another person often implies something broader than a desire for an experience. Without that reach, some of us begin to think of a relationship with another person as shallow. We are expecting more. What I suspect we are expecting is to copy that other person to some degree. Try doing that with a good steak and see how far you get. 8)<br /><br />A beached dolphin could be carved up into steaks, but suggest that to our host's fans and they'll accuse the person holding the knife of being less than human. There is an obvious deficiency in their ability to love others.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-9570258070118084662016-03-16T10:11:27.194-07:002016-03-16T10:11:27.194-07:00@Robert,
I really am on your side here. I think ...@Robert,<br /><br />I really am on your side here. I think your reading and suggested tactics are incompatible with the goal, and you think likewise of me, but we're both after the same thing in the end. Keep that in mind when I say...<br /><br /><i><br />Thus we do not get constant sound-clips of Clinton saying "black teenagers are superpredators" and how they need to be controlled.<br /><br />Trump would have back-to-back airing of that with Clinton herself saying this on television until when someone says "Hillary Clinton" someone else would respond "Superpredators."<br /></i><br /><br />You mean he'd convince his own supporters go vote for Hillary? :)<br /><br />But seriously, I don't see why you think this attack is so effective, while berating Bernie's self-proclaimed "socialism" is not. No one has been talking about superpredators for 25 years. Trump has endorsed throwing black people out of his rallies while sucker punching them right now.<br /><br /><i><br />I don't view Hillary as inevitable. Consider where Barack Obama was at this point in time. And yet he won. Funny, that. It's like a candidate who has a firm grasp on a set group of voters and who is learning how to get those voters to go out and vote for him could possibly upset the apple cart and deny Hillary her Inevitable Coronation. <br /></i><br /><br />Obama had more delegates by this point in the race. He was also more of a party favorite. I think much of the Democratic Party in 2008 felt as you do and as I did then--that Hillary could lose to a Republican in a year when no other Democrat could. When Obama started to look viable, many backed him because he wasn't Hillary. This time around, the tables seem turned.<br /><br />And I'm still not proposing a "coronation" without her actually winning by the rules. I just think she <b>will</b> win at this point. Michigan was a good upset for Bernie, but it didn't translate to Ohio or Illinois. I just don't see where she'd get the delegates now.<br /><br /><i><br />Of course, this also suggests that Sanders would win even bigger than Clinton when facing Ryan... and it also makes you wonder as to what would happen to the Republican Party if suddenly they lost their House and Senate majority... and even the ability to filibuster. And if there was a knock-off effect on the State level.<br /></i><br /><br />That's my wish list as well, believe me. My only caveat is that I don't think enough Senate seats are in play for the Dems to be fillibuster-proof (they couldn't even count on all of the 60 members they did have for awhile in 2010).<br /><br /><br /><br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-32917889808872082212016-03-16T10:05:20.042-07:002016-03-16T10:05:20.042-07:00While abstracting a science journal, I had an inte...While abstracting a science journal, I had an interesting thought.<br /><br />One of the problems with sending satellites into space is they have a limited lifespan... but need to have sufficient power to be able to transmit information back to Earth. But there is in fact a way around this.<br /><br />What we need to do is create several satellites that serve three purposes. First, they retrieve radio signals from other satellites... and then they transmit them to specific locations, probably toward Earth. Third, they can also store data in case there is a reason transmissions cannot be sent to Earth (say we're behind the Sun at the time).<br /><br />We then can send multiple Cubesats to a location to do research. The cubesats use less power, especially if they don't need a high-power transmitter, and can send data to that central dedicated communications satellite. And additional cubesats can be sent via solar sail or the like for a reduced cost compared to traditional larger satellites. <br /><br />Such a system could even be used to send missions to Uranus and Neptune - an initial investment in the larger communication satellite and several Cubesats, and then each nation could send any additional smaller mission as needed or desired. <br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-53377051629374007892016-03-16T10:05:08.109-07:002016-03-16T10:05:08.109-07:00LarryHart:
The fiddle Ryan established as a condit...LarryHart:<br />The fiddle Ryan established as a condition of becoming Speaker (no more shut-down threats or continuing resolutions in lieu of budgets) ends with this Congress in January, and barring a Democratic takeover, the next Congress will revert back to playing the same games--even if the President is a Republican.<br />Ryan doesn't want to be the next Boenher.Zepp Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16261339498383415026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-75938563576611207602016-03-16T09:52:31.758-07:002016-03-16T09:52:31.758-07:00locumranch:
Entropy always wins & Flint MI is...locumranch:<br /><i><br />Entropy always wins & Flint MI is our collective future.<br /></i><br /><br />In the long run, everybody is dead.<br /><br />Now that we know that, what do we know?<br /><br /><i><br />Why would Ryan want to run for Prez? As 'Speaker of the House', he's already 3rd in line for succession if & when anything happens to the Prez & VP.<br /></i><br /><br />Maybe he'd prefer to be first in line?<br /><br />The "3rd in line" thing is only if anything happens to both Prez and VP before another VP takes his place (Gerald Ford). It hasn't happened in 200+ years. He probably doesn't see that as good odds.<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-50468554144021975502016-03-16T09:39:53.268-07:002016-03-16T09:39:53.268-07:00Deserving of the pending Democalypse, some of you ...<br /><br />Deserving of the pending Democalypse, some of you are sociopolitical morons who mistake time as fungible, individuals as machinery & competition as cost-effectiveness.<br /><br />I could explain to you how the current Political & Medical Non-Economy actually works, but the lot of you would rather not know about rate-limits, diminishing returns & five-year plans. <br /><br />Simply put, you can't just 'carrot & stick' time-limited producers to work harder & produce more, especially when all-cause producers & physicians are a vanishing demographic resource. <br /><br />It's analogous to shoving excess sewage through a pipe diameter designed to handle less flow capacity: It can be done (temporarily) at the risk of cataclysmic long-term consequences.<br /><br />Entropy always wins & Flint MI is our collective future.<br /><br /><br /><br />Best<br />_____<br />Why would Ryan want to run for Prez? As 'Speaker of the House', he's already 3rd in line for succession if & when anything happens to the Prez & VP.locumranchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-51215593296001241742016-03-16T09:37:05.793-07:002016-03-16T09:37:05.793-07:00Paul451,
The boy didn't get the notion in a v... Paul451,<br /><br />The boy didn't get the notion in a vacuum. I've spent a fair portion of my life learning to commit mayhem on my fellow man. Fortunately, I've also spent a fair time learning why I should nearly never do so.<br /><br />No local HEMA worth mentioning a this time. They're either irregular, or gone. And I'd know.raitonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-52264061731992211952016-03-16T09:23:58.544-07:002016-03-16T09:23:58.544-07:00Larry, Sanders is entirely too gentile a candidate...Larry, Sanders is entirely too gentile a candidate to do to Clinton what Trump would.<br /><br />Thus we do not get constant sound-clips of Clinton saying "black teenagers are superpredators" and how they need to be controlled. <br /><br />Trump would have back-to-back airing of that with Clinton herself saying this on television until when someone says "Hillary Clinton" someone else would respond "Superpredators."<br /><br />I don't view Hillary as inevitable. Consider where Barack Obama was at this point in time. And yet he won. Funny, that. It's like a candidate who has a firm grasp on a set group of voters and who is learning how to get those voters to go out and vote for him could possibly upset the apple cart and deny Hillary her Inevitable Coronation. <br /><br />Whether it is Sanders or Clinton, however, if the Republicans have a brokered convention and select Ryan to be their savior, then Republicans are going to lose. Big.<br /><br />Of course, this also suggests that Sanders would win even bigger than Clinton when facing Ryan... and it also makes you wonder as to what would happen to the Republican Party if suddenly they lost their House and Senate majority... and even the ability to filibuster. And if there was a knock-off effect on the State level.<br /><br />What else matters is in 2018 - on the State level. Because that is when the economic impact of low oil prices will have on Republican Shale Oil States that failed to diversified their economies. If unemployment is increasing and Republicans are cutting all services to make budgets meet... voters are going to get rid of them. And if the Democratic Party gets their heads out of their asses and starts preparing now, then they can capitalize on this.<br /><br />It won't happen. Democrats are creatures of comfort as much as Republicans are. But disruption in politics can be a good thing.<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-9012544856802395122016-03-16T08:17:25.553-07:002016-03-16T08:17:25.553-07:00And, for drones, civilians competing with military...And, for drones, civilians competing with military designs? Really? Perhaps if the force is with the civilian pilot, and the military pilot flubs their skill roll, and with some luck, then the drone equivalent of a Bell 222 might possibly destroy an attack choper. Signs point to no; the notion of kamikaze attacks using random civilian gear against purpose-built miltary hardware as a viable strategy smacks of desparation or wishful thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15498002072913153902016-03-16T08:15:21.639-07:002016-03-16T08:15:21.639-07:00@Robert,
Does it seem yet as if Hillary is the in...@Robert,<br /><br />Does it seem yet as if Hillary is the inevitable Democratic nominee? And that this isn't because the fix is in, but because she's winning more delegates? I'm almost at the point where it's no longer a question of whether I'd prefer a Sanders presidency, but on making sure Hillary beats whoever the Republicans throw at her.<br /><br />Earlier, you mentioned a concern that Trump could convince black people not to vote for Hillary because she once said "super-predator"? Did you see anything like that at work in last Tuesday's results? 'Cause I sure didn't.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-55082231038863652112016-03-16T08:11:04.935-07:002016-03-16T08:11:04.935-07:00Robert:
Boehner has endorsed Paul Ryan for Presi...Robert:<br /><i><br /><br />Boehner has endorsed Paul Ryan for President in the case of a brokered primary. Though it would be amusing to see the finagling going on to ween away Electoral votes from Trump should he barely squeak over, just to GET a brokered result.<br /><br />My prediction? Massive outcry, claims of "stealing the election," and the populist base that backed Trump would choose not to vote, giving Hillary the election. And possibly the House and Senate, but due to low voter turnout.<br /></i><br /><br />That would be a best case scenario.<br /><br />What if Cruz almost catches Trump in delegate count? Would a brokered convention give it to Cruz, or still to someone like Ryan or Romney? If we're really lucky, they alienate both Trump <b>and</b> Cruz supporters.<br /><br />I'm sure the Chicago Tribune would find a way to endorse Paul Ryan in the general election, though.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-62223190489308676092016-03-16T08:04:53.484-07:002016-03-16T08:04:53.484-07:00Alfred Differ:
Somewhere in the chain is an impli...Alfred Differ:<br /><i><br />Somewhere in the chain is an implied assumption that the humans willingly rely upon each other. I won’t specialize if I don’t trust my neighbors to provide for my needs outside my specialized skills.<br /></i><br /><br />Which is what is all wrong with the Ayn Rand notion that there is no collective, no society, but only individuals who make specific deals with each other. It might appeal to some in theory, but in practice, that doesn't describe the way humans function.<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15248227704172842812016-03-16T08:04:08.057-07:002016-03-16T08:04:08.057-07:00Alfred Differ:
We don’t eat what we love any more...Alfred Differ:<br /><i><br />We don’t eat what we love any more than we would eat one of our own limbs.<br /></i><br /><br />A minor semantic quibble, but in the sense that we "love a good steak dinner", we eat what we love all the time.<br /><br />In fact, I once read a short story which was a misogynistic screed comparing feminie companionship to vampirism. The man who realizes that his wife has always been a vampire is horrified to discover that when she (truthfully) professes love for him, "You love me the way I love a good meal!"<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-2453399537423481182016-03-16T08:03:34.557-07:002016-03-16T08:03:34.557-07:00Paul451:
Robert,
Re: Anti-gerrymander redistricti...Paul451:<br /><i><br />Robert,<br />Re: Anti-gerrymander redistricting committees.<br /><br />I believe there's a Republican-led Supreme Court challenge to the very concept of independent redistricting committees, on the grounds that the US Constitution gives that power to the state legislatures but not the power to delegate that power.<br /><br />(Of course, such a ruling would make all govt departments illegal, requiring the President and Governors to directly perform every action made by their government.)<br /></i><br /><br />Republican-led Supreme Court rulings don't even pretend to make sense. In "Citizens United", Roberts asserted with a straight face that large donations don't even create the <b>perception</b> of corrpution. In Bush v Gore, they bent into pretzels to explain why the Florida state legislature (which happened to be GOP-controlled) represented the will of the people, and therefore what they decided had precedence over the Florida Supreme Court (which happened to be Dem-controlled). And of course, my favorite, the Texas case that would have been ruled upon this coming term found alternate meaning for the Constitution's clear wording "Whole number of persons" to mean something more like "number of likely-Republican voters" for allocating congressional and state legislative districts.<br /><br />What makes this particularly onerous is that you just know they'd rule the opposite way if the parties were reversed--if the Florida Supreme Court was GOP-controlled, or if more states had Democratic legislatures. Say what you will about liberal activism such as Roe v Wade, but there's no comparable "They would have ruled the opposite way if..." scenario. Liberal justices might have stretched to find the decision they wanted, but they didn't have to speak gibberish in order to do so.<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83327818558975682112016-03-16T07:29:21.741-07:002016-03-16T07:29:21.741-07:00You were right again, Dr. Brin.
Boehner has endor...You were right again, Dr. Brin.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/boehner-endorses-paul-ryan-for-president-220855" rel="nofollow">Boehner has endorsed Paul Ryan for President in the case of a brokered primary</a>. Though it would be amusing to see the finagling going on to ween away Electoral votes from Trump should he barely squeak over, just to GET a brokered result.<br /><br />My prediction? Massive outcry, claims of "stealing the election," and the populist base that backed Trump would choose not to vote, giving Hillary the election. And possibly the House and Senate, but due to low voter turnout.<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-6004360949619565212016-03-16T02:57:28.917-07:002016-03-16T02:57:28.917-07:00Hi Donzelion
You figures are a bit "sus"...Hi Donzelion<br /><br />You figures are a bit "sus" $1000/shift is $250,000/year!!!<br /> <br />$3000 for everything else?<br />That is maybe one nurse/doctor and a building that is basically an office building<br /><br />$750,000/year for an office and a nurse<br /><br />Those costs are wat too high! <br />Here (NZ) the costs are a good bit lower for the doctor and maybe about 1/4 of that for the other <br /><br />Then lets look at other costs <br /><br />How much would a screw-up cost?<br />Somebody has been given the wrong medicine - there will be reports to write, people to see, extra doctors to check on what has happened,<br />If it is a serious event and somebody has suffered injury we can easily be talking about a "Doctor Year" in time diverted<br /><br />In fact that time and cost is built into your model as it will have to be paid anyway<br /><br />So the two strategies are <br />(1) Operate the old fashioned way and pay for the mistakes as they happen<br />(2) Use more time and effort up front to prevent some of these things happening and save on the mistake costs <br /><br />As I said the problem is persuading "management" - which like Dilbert's pointy haired boss is rarely very numerate - to actually invest in the effort to do it right first time<br /><br />"For assembly lines, if any line falls behind, the shortfall can be remedied either by bringing in additional laborers from elsewhere in the plant, or bringing in temps from outside as needed: either way, fixed costs of retasking workers are low."<br /><br />NO NO and NO<br />If a line costs $1m/day to run and you have to run it longer it costs a LOT more, if one part of your line runs slowly it sets the pace for the entire factory - a medical practice is much much more flexible than a large modern production line - it is a lot easier to move a few people than to have tonnes of material going out of sequence<br /> <br />duncan cairncrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153725128216947145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-67442935426783108842016-03-16T02:53:55.922-07:002016-03-16T02:53:55.922-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.donzelionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991849781932619746noreply@blogger.com