tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post4314692497060280348..comments2024-03-28T15:48:48.514-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Do Sci Fi attitudes reflect our times?David Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-13011510583629765132012-07-15T16:38:56.298-07:002012-07-15T16:38:56.298-07:00I wonder if the example of Obama versus Romney in ...I wonder if the example of Obama versus Romney in the case of an alien invasion, is a case of xenophobia outweighing xenophobia?<br /><br />I.e. I highly doubt all of those 65% are going to vote for Obama. Worse, a good chunk of them won't vote because he's a [hawaiian-born-kenyan, muslim-in-league-with-Undead-Osama-bin-Laden, reptilian-monarchist] oh wait, I think they really just mean, a black man.<br /><br />But, faced with the hypothesis of some true non-human threat, their alien-xenophobia would outweigh their race-xenophobia, and they would judge Obama to be the more competent candidate.<br /><br />However, unless the aliens show up, I think Obama will have a harder time of it...<br />*sigh*Sangrailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04040805389318812227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83311410491221417252012-07-14T12:16:19.250-07:002012-07-14T12:16:19.250-07:00enough here. we are two blogs oldenough here. we are two blogs oldDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-36162544701714761112012-07-14T12:08:58.085-07:002012-07-14T12:08:58.085-07:00People who can only see Big Brother rising in the ...People who can only see Big Brother rising in the direction they were trained to look... and never in other directions... are pretty pathetically myopic and tunnel vision.<br /><br />When there is NO evidence that the authority figures they fear are getting any worse, then they are delisional.<br /><br />When they can ignore 6000 years of history and the advice of Adam Smith, and instead chant as sock-puppets : "The oligarchic monopolist masters are our friendssssssssssssss"<br /><br />Well, then, that is simply dunce-i-tude.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-25244805119473536962012-07-13T22:47:34.832-07:002012-07-13T22:47:34.832-07:00Tom. First, let's agree to disagree over what...Tom. First, let's agree to disagree over what you consider improper behavior on my part, and what I consider to be you incessantly whining.<br /><br />At least this time you parsed things (because I demanded it) in a way that lets us penetrate your deep, deep errors.<br /><br />You conflate the results... which you admit have been staggeringly positive in the last couple of American generations, with your ASSERTION about the inflated role of government. Which (1) fails any fact test and (2) is fundamentally illogical.<br /><br />(1) The Federal govt's share of the economy, and taxes pulled in and tax rates are all at historic lows. So is regulation. You declare your assertions about govt being a monster as if they were religious dogma, not to be questioned, passionately believed, despite their being abso-freaking lutely untrue.<br /><br />What is the fastest growing accumulation of unaccountable power in America? While you sock-puppet the Fox line about civil servants, a different clade of power - the one despised by Adam Smith - is skyrocketing in power and recovering its ability to cheat and coerce and manipulate and allocate like the lords we had a revolution against. But in your partisan frenzy, you cannot see them at all.<br /><br />(2) You claim to love the outcome of what our parents did, using Franklin Roosevelt's prescription of a mixed economy and mixed use of state and private efforts... then you proceed to screech that their prescription was all wrong!<br /><br />Dig this, our parents, the wise "greatest generation" endorsed and loved and consensus re-elected and ratified the Rooseveltean social contract by such vast majorities and so repeatedly that only an ignoramus would declare that it was not "social contract." And they were there. You were not.<br /><br />This fetish to call FDR satan incarnate is what I deem crazy and rewriting history. I do not endlessly admire him! In fact, I am a Smithian (non Randian, thank God) liberatarian who is glad that later govts dismantled some of FDR's structures! <br /><br />The Interstate Commerce Commission and Civil Aeronautics Board are no more! They were captured by the industries they regulated and thus became oppressors.<br /><br />Ah, but WHO eliminated them? Democrats, who have done more DE-regulating than the whining, bitching, insipidly ineffectual GOP ever even proposed to do.<br /><br />I DARE you now to tell me what industries the GOP ever deregulated when in power, except finance, allowing them to do FIVE MAJOR RAIDS on the middle class in the last 40 years.<br /><br />Finally, your screed earlier made it clear how incredibly illogical you are... and how poorly you actually read passages like this one, before responding.<br /><br />Dig it. If you love the outcome of the last 70 years then you face a steep burden of proof that opur parents' method to get here, building the greatest middle class in history, was wrong.<br /><br />Instead, you defend the trend of the last 20 years which has dismantled FDR,... and which led to the steepest DECLINE in the middle class in US history ...<br /><br />...and the skyrocketing rise in the kind of wealth aristocracy that Adam Smith despised.<br /><br />Rewinn is right. We are moving AWAY from consent by the governed. And the GOP is leading that move. And Libertarians of the "capital L" variety, who have become a cult of sock puppets, never learn from the fact that they get 1% every single time.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-60600057379695875292012-07-13T20:48:09.152-07:002012-07-13T20:48:09.152-07:00@Rob H
May I disagree with "...America would ...@Rob H<br />May I disagree with <i>"...America would be a little two-bit power that never expanded beyond its borders because there was no profit in it ..."</i> <br />... because before WW1 we ran a pretty solid imperial policy in Hawaii, Cuba, the Philippines and Central America. OTOH our technological advantages have made the casualty ratios of our conquests rather one-sided in our favor. I suppose we'll never know if a more equal level of technology would have led to less of an eagerness for conquest.<br /><br />@Tom Carver<br />Is this an example of your argument:<br /><i>"No politican ran on a platform of funding rockets or the internet."</i><br />I confess that I am elderly enough to recall that precisely the opposite is the case. JFK ran on a platform of closing the "missle gap" (and we need not here debate whether such a gap actually existed; either way, it was a potent campaign issue.)<br />Furthermore, the Moon project lasted through several Presidential elections, succeeding with a president of the party opposite that of the guy who started it. <br />That program, as well as its predecessors such as Mercury and successors such as the Shuttle, was popular enought that no-one of any note ran against it. If that's evidence that it was never voted upon, then so is Apple Pie and fireworks on the 4th of July.rewinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008105385364113371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-69824938263064594992012-07-13T20:17:26.528-07:002012-07-13T20:17:26.528-07:00@Tom Craver:
I don't know what you mean about ...@Tom Craver:<br />I don't know what you mean about <i>"...without putting it to the consent of the governed."</i><br />We still have elections and while there is much to complain about them, it's hard to argue that the things that traditional Libertarians complain about haven't been voted on.<br />Or are you observing that post-<i>Citizens United</i>, our elections have become the playthings of "persons" not eligible to vote, e.g. the monied interests behind Mr. Adelson, who single-handedly kept Mr. Gingrich in the running?rewinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008105385364113371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-64610818515326780452012-07-13T19:35:36.481-07:002012-07-13T19:35:36.481-07:00Shrug - ok, I'll answer your questions, even t...Shrug - ok, I'll answer your questions, even though you ignored my points, and continue to indulge in fantasies of what my political perspectives must be, and continue to throw insults. I even did you the courtesy in my first post, of trying to summarize your position, as you constantly harp on - which I'll note that you either did not do, or summarized so badly as to be unrecognizable.<br /><br />Sure, I like a lot about US society. Some key issues that seem like proper roles for federal govt in our highly interconnected age, have been evolving about as quickly as human nature allows - minority rights, women's rights, gay rights, etc. <br /><br />My dislikes fall in the realm where federal government has usurped roles it was never intended to have, without putting it to the consent of the governed. Up until the time of Roosevelt, whom you admire so greatly, our nation had the grace and wisdom to require constitutional amendments to make major changes to our social contract. Since Mr. Roosevelt, we just pretend that our written social contract with the federal government says something we all know it does not.<br /><br />(I don't care to get into an argument over Roosevelt. Maybe his actions were more symptoms of a change than change itself; maybe he was more an exemplar of the change than the driver. Criticism of him is not my point here - his reign is a historical marker for the period where the change occured.)<br /><br />I have no idea how to quantify how much I like our civilization, as compared to how much I would have liked the different one in which we either renegotiated our social contract, or followed it. I do know that whatever that number would be, it is dramatically lower than it would be if we had explicitly debated and renegotiated, and arrived at the exact same point.Tom Craverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13570100578983177926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-5254830825614083892012-07-12T22:49:40.928-07:002012-07-12T22:49:40.928-07:00I'll leave this window on my tab for another d...I'll leave this window on my tab for another day, then conclude we're both right.<br /><br />1) that I used excessively pushy language toward you<br /><br />2) that your pretense at intellectual honesty did not stand up to scrutiny.<br /><br />dbDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-81690160878267701742012-07-12T13:54:37.114-07:002012-07-12T13:54:37.114-07:00And notice you did not address a single one of my ...And notice you did not address a single one of my points. All you could do was whine, instead of standing up like a big, boy, with thick skin, and take the rough language as a man.<br /><br />So I used Dunc-i-tude? Grow up and take it man! And dish it out!<br /><br />Whimpering, instead of addressing the issue... which is actually a very interesting one!<br /><br />I repeat: Do you like this society, which made more goodies and advances and comfort and science... and libertarians... than any other? By how many orders of magnitude do you prefer it?<br /><br />In my case it is six or ten orders of magnitude.<br /><br />So explain to me you blithe assumption that the methods our parents used to GET to this condition are all wrong, top to bottom...<br /><br />... and OF COURSE going back to oligarchy, property-idolatry, and short corporate ROI horizons would automatically be BETTER!!!!!!!<br /><br />Smith knew better. He denounced the very things guys like you hold up as religious dogma. Competition is central. But you guys instead worship the notion of feudal lords.<br /><br />good luck with that.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-22979966157829253282012-07-12T08:52:24.411-07:002012-07-12T08:52:24.411-07:00Well, David has presented his well reasoned respon...Well, David has presented his well reasoned response. <br /><br />I am, in fact, a libertarian dunce who has never cracked open Adam Smith and has no historical perspective since I lack any knowledge of history. David must be psychic, to know me so well!<br /><br />Fortunately ad hominem attacks are extremely relevant to the topic at hand, since he presented not one other word of actual counter evidence or argument.<br /><br />I guess I stand corrected!Tom Craverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13570100578983177926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-79157692685928878162012-07-11T17:04:41.679-07:002012-07-11T17:04:41.679-07:00Tony could you write to me separately (after comic...Tony could you write to me separately (after comic-con... meaning next monday!) to guide me back into the predictions wiki? I can then sift-search and (probably) find my password.<br /><br /><br />Tom Craver's stunning rationalization.... amounts to <br /><br />1) "I know our civilization --- with its mix of private effort with consensus-political-democratically-decided joint projects (mediated by "government") --- has been vastly more successful at delivering everything I ever wanted, than any other society that ever existed."<br /><br />but<br /><br />2) "I also maintain that government and all the projects used democratic/consensual/political methods WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ANYWAY and probably heaps better, if we had simply dispensed with that Shared-effort crap."<br /><br />Like every other living libertarian, Tom is displaying the utter dunce-i-tudinousness of a person who has no historical perspective, whatsoever and who never cracked open a single page of Adam Smith. <br /><br /> Dig his reasoning: the society he lives in was successful... THEREFORE any other society would have been, as well, especially if it dispensed with the methods that our parents used to get here...<br /><br />... but instead relied upon the OTHER methods (e.g. reliance on mere corporate investment horizons and on the whim of accumulated power by owner castes)... methods that never ever ever ever worked in the past.<br /><br />That is why it is a simple litmus test. Libertarians know no history at all and don't care and never read Adam Smith. Those who do read Smith and actually study history cannot use the L word. We must find another, even though we are the ones promoting both freedom and competition.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-63820478841591236652012-07-11T16:29:14.234-07:002012-07-11T16:29:14.234-07:00She's moving from the US to the UK to avoid ta...She's moving from the US to the UK to avoid taxes?<br /><br />She'll pay MORE tax in the UK than she would in the US.Ian Gouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07666385933765478081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15474599460063660312012-07-11T15:30:53.873-07:002012-07-11T15:30:53.873-07:00Hey look, Denise Rich just renounced her US citize...Hey look, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/politics/denise-rich-citizenship/index.html?hpt=hp_t1" rel="nofollow">Denise Rich just renounced her US citizenship</a>.<br /><br />For those who don't remember, she was the lady who gave lots of campaign donations to the Clinton campaign, and then Clinton gave her husband a Pardon.<br /><br />Evidently she's trying to avoid taxes. Except for the lost tax revenue, I say good ridance to bad rubbish.sociotardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697154298087412934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-58301788609662201072012-07-11T14:59:06.663-07:002012-07-11T14:59:06.663-07:00There's no need to go very far to disprove wha...There's no need to go very far to disprove what @Tom\ Craver claims. <br /><br />I know what privately funded internetworks would have looked like, in part because we've already seen them. AOL was just such a network. So was Compuserve. They interoperated only with great difficulty. <br /><br />Novell, in '93, was getting ready with AT&T to launch a venture which would have used Novell's IPX protocols to interconnect subscriber computers. (Frankly, at the time IPX was technically better. That's why so many of its features appear in IPv6.)<br /><br />But AT&T was structuring things the way all phone companies are observed to structure them. They planned to eliminate competition, keep prices very high. The 19th century analogue was railroads. Ironically, even 19th Century railroads had government charters and assistance, at least in the form of guarantees behind their bond issues.<br /><br />And even Compuserve and AOL couldn't have worked at all without a ubiquitous and price-regulated telephone switching system, but that, apparently, is beside the point.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07541997928359883625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-91010195203088939302012-07-11T14:15:46.935-07:002012-07-11T14:15:46.935-07:00@Tom\ Craver, not according to Vint Cerf and other...@Tom\ Craver, not according to Vint Cerf and other architects of "modern" internet -- proprietary commercial interests had little desire in common protocol and their big vision were small sandboxes where they were in control of the technological "tool booth". Even when private sector did great research (i.e., PARC Xerox) most of the great minds there matriculated from government research projects but yielded little benefit for Xerox (despite being scooped up by Jobs and Gates after Xerox foolishly did not know what to do with these units). And most of the innovation that came out of "private" companies was due in large part to being state sanctioned monopolies (i.e., AT&T Bell Labs) that with guaranteed profit margin, could divert resources into R&D.<br /><br />If you study the history of electrical grid, it was the utility companies that clamored for regulation and state adjudication and governing -- without it, meant absolute chaos.Naumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741963276339044331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-90668618235835450262012-07-11T13:59:57.222-07:002012-07-11T13:59:57.222-07:00Yes, and no, a United States government with littl...Yes, and no, a United States government with little regulatory power might not have precluded technological advances, it's a separate problem from development assistance. Government money can accelerate development, and it would be difficult to imagine where we might be without it, for instance, imagine Wozniak & Jobs growing up in some industrial town, without the stimulus of engineers working on defense projects. Heinlein or Hogan could've run with such an idea, me, not so much. FWIW, I see the problem not really in government or Wall $treet, just the human tendency of those who crave power having a hard time with moderation and balance.Tim H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-39130751562969824352012-07-11T12:24:28.364-07:002012-07-11T12:24:28.364-07:00Private industry would never have gone into space....Private industry would never have gone into space. Why bother? What's up there that's needed? The investment in rocketry and developing safe and reliable rockets is quite high and would never have gotten off the ground. Concepts such as telecommunication satellites and the like wouldn't have been able to compete against less expensive pre-existing alternatives.<br /><br />There are plenty of orphan diseases that are unfunded and untreated because the economies of scale are so small there's no value in finding a cure. And without government regulation we'd have plenty of quack cures that cause more harm than good... and don't say that lawsuits would rein them in because whoever has the biggest lawyers wins in a no-regulation environment. After all, what laws are there against bad medicine? None in a regulation-free environment. Thus no laws are broken and the quacks get away with murder.<br /><br />Do you think we'd have a National Highway System if it was all done by private industry? No. We might have a series of toll roads, each owned by a different corporation, and we may even have partnerships between corporations allowing transit of corporate vehicles across toll roads without cost (quid pro quo) but no civilians would travel because it would cost too much. And without a public road system, industry itself would never get off the ground except as localized corporate towns because it would cost too much to live far away from one's workplace... meaning that workers would be at the mercy of their employers.<br /><br />Further, we have historical evidence of what happens when the government does not regulate employment law. Just 100 years ago unions were broken apart by private armies and police gangs paid by the corporations. The lack of minimum wages impoverished millions of people.<br /><br />In short, without government regulations, America would not be great. America would be a little two-bit power that never expanded beyond its borders because there was no profit in it and ultimately we'd have been conquered by the Russians after they eventually overwhelmed Germany and Europe after World War I ended.<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-59880672157899491272012-07-11T06:07:04.086-07:002012-07-11T06:07:04.086-07:00Tom Craver,
Re: Internet vs...
I don't think ...Tom Craver,<br />Re: Internet vs...<br /><br />I don't think the Internet would have developed as naturally as you think. Watching it happen at the time, it felt like the rival schemes were caught utterly flat-footed.<br /><br />All top down solutions (whether government ordained, or business created) were extraordinary clumsy, expensive silos. From Minitel to AOL. Everyone seemed to think that way.<br /><br />FIDONet was the closest to the internet in being community driven development, a network of equals rather than a silo. But while there were commercial BBSes, it was not being picked up by companies for their own use, nor did it have the architectural flexibility to evolve into something as amazing as the internet.<br /><br />It's those underlying protocols that allowed the internet to thrive, not the surface stuff that we think of as "The Internet". I can't see how anyone would have quickly thrown together something like WWW protocol on top of FIDONet.<br /><br />(But it's hard to roll the tape back and imagine how it would it would have turned out. Some things are inevitable, and would have merely changed form. For example, trains appeared when they were not only due, but over-due. Britain's canals are testament to that. Steel and steam apparently had been independently invented many times before. So had someone invented the idea of rail centuries earlier, it might have happened earlier. But when people were looking for rail-like bulk-transport solutions, <i>something</i> was going to emerge. Likewise, flight was being hammered at relentlessly, something had to break. But there's a big difference between aircraft (the internet) and airships (Minitel/AOL.))Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-42177981380724419532012-07-11T05:38:06.780-07:002012-07-11T05:38:06.780-07:00David, let us know if there's anything you wan...David, let us know if there's anything you want putting back.<br /><br />Version control is a wonderful thing!Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-75146908274559243132012-07-11T05:32:57.409-07:002012-07-11T05:32:57.409-07:00'Charlene' has editted before. Most of it ...'Charlene' has editted before. Most of it is minor, but I'm not so keen on the changes she's made to the predictions index (Separate spreadsheet!?)Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-17199598010023399302012-07-10T22:52:12.933-07:002012-07-10T22:52:12.933-07:00"Flew this afternoon with a jerk who spun out..."Flew this afternoon with a jerk who spun out anecdote after anecdote but would offer no facts nor take any wagers... and who did not know who Barry freaping Golwater was... while heaping scorn on all "over-educated pinheads.""<br /><br />Tell him he was the Republican candidate for President in 1964 who ran on a platform of opposing the Civil rights Act of 1963.<br /><br />Yeah, yeah he was "opposed to the extension of of Federal power" no matter how many people suffered as a result.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739671401151990700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-17888478643174468842012-07-10T21:47:49.956-07:002012-07-10T21:47:49.956-07:00"folks who actually believe we would have had..."folks who actually believe we would have had jets, rockets, telecom, weather forecasting, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, the Internet, or countless other things, without the advanced R&D that we, as citizens, agreed to pay for because the benefits and ROI lay beyond any plausible Return on Investment horizon of major corporations..."<br /><br />First, the "we as citizens agreed to pay for" part is pure nonsense. No one asked you or me or our parents or grandparents for our consent. That's just not how government works. No politican ran on a platform of funding rockets or the internet.<br /><br />And let's be clear what you're claiming. <br /><br />You are not talking about government as a big customer for privately developed tech, which then advances further or faster thanks to profits from selling products to government. <br /><br />You are not talking about those items failing to be developed if not for precursor technologies government R&D helped pay for - that would just pointlessly push the question back a level.<br /><br />You are claiming that no one would have developed anything on that list of technologies into useful products, if government had not directly spent on R&D to develop them from mere ideas or prototypes. <br /><br />Sneer away, but I do believe that had government not stepped in, most of the items on your list would still have been developed and commercialized by now, though of course in slightly different forms.<br /><br />Before the US government got into direct R&D funding in a big way, a large number of key technologies did get privately funded and developed to the point of commercial exploitation. The steam engine. Electric motors. Electric power distribution and lighting. The telegraph and telephone. The airplane. This demonstrates the potential to develop radical new technologies without government R&D.<br /><br />So what changed? <br /><br />Government R&D funding eliminates much of the need for private R&D funding, and creates the financial incentive to let government pay for work a company might have otherwise had to pay for to stay competitive or to break into a profitable new field.<br /><br />Consider the internet and telecommunications: Private companies offered consumer and business time-sharing and dial-up information services well prior to government development of packet switching or TCP/IP. AT&T and others offered high speed switched data links. Private bulletin board systems predate standardization of the internet, and Fidonet protocol preceded commercial internet services. None of these were derivative from Internet technologies. <br /><br />Had the internet never been developed due to lack of government funding, those would have evolved into something much like the internet, with the cheap/free and highly cooperative BBS services driving the big balkanized services to open up and interoperate or die.Tom Craverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13570100578983177926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-72400877753781305892012-07-10T21:30:23.342-07:002012-07-10T21:30:23.342-07:00Just home from an exhausting book tour. Ran into ...Just home from an exhausting book tour. Ran into Stefan and Sociotard and others at Powells!<br /><br />Tacitus, there is no excuse for the down-pandering... or else genuine stupidity... of politicians who are deliberately lowering the bar in public discourse.<br /><br />You have Fox news anchors who were Rhodes Scholars with several masters who now go "aw shucks" and pretend not to know what 10th grade level words mean! Several have been caught on tape having used the words cogently and correctly just a few years earlier.<br /><br />It is part of the deliberate stupidification of Red America, in which the Red Neck Comedy tour guys make it a badge of confederate pride to be dumb and unwise and unknowing and incurious.<br /><br />Flew this afternoon with a jerk who spun out anecdote after anecdote but would offer no facts nor take any wagers... and who did not know who Barry freaping Golwater was... while heaping scorn on all "over-educated pinheads."<br /><br />Sorry Tacitus. There are genuine medical syndromes in which a declining vocabulary is a very real symptom of serious health decline. What's more, you know this is true.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-35144639129767086232012-07-10T21:19:48.530-07:002012-07-10T21:19:48.530-07:00Alert to Tony Fisk! I've been told there'...Alert to Tony Fisk! I've been told there's been activity on the PBworks wiki about my "predictions" includingDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-84364586055047654712012-07-10T20:16:04.351-07:002012-07-10T20:16:04.351-07:00I can think of three other national politicians th...I can think of three other national politicians that speak at a high grade level with relatively low obfuscation-quotients. One is a Senator from my home state, Ron Wyden (also known as the champion of a free internet.) Two are candidates for the Presidency: our current officeholder and the Libertarian Candidate, Governor Gary Johnson. BTW, I do consider Gov. Johnson to be that “honest foe” of liberals like myself. He’s a (partial) wingnut, but he will negotiate, and he likes ideas. One of the good guys in my experience. Plus, while Governor of my other home state (NM), he would find time to talk to any child that came to see him, as long as the child would run or do pushups or other exercise while they would talk. <br />I was at the Portland signing too, but I was one of the early signatures. I had to get back to my work to pour off about 16k pounds of molten superalloy. Sorry I missed meeting Sociotard, we could have a fun time arguing liberal policy together. Most sorry that I missed some of the question and answer session. Next book, then.matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17757867868731829206noreply@blogger.com