tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post3577834348526092364..comments2024-03-28T04:58:13.341-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: More (high) Science weirdness... and more...David Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44784091828429387692019-11-04T15:12:16.920-08:002019-11-04T15:12:16.920-08:00Thanks David, I've already listened to many of...Thanks David, I've already listened to many of your talks;<br />But would love a "Fireside Chat" every new day :) just saying; <br />To be honest your regular blogging is really impressive and abundant; <br /><br />Going through these now <br /><i><br />Thanks Kiwi. Here's a storehouse of hours and hours of podcast & audio interviews:<br />http://www.davidbrin.com/podcast.html<br /><br />Some of the specifics:<br /><br />Ted-style talks about our future!<br /><br />(1) The “Neo” Project aims to create a vividly beautiful film, combining science and art with optimism. They feature my blather about peering into the future. Vivid imagery and remarkable sound editing. http://anewbreedofhuman.com/announcement-trailer/ <==^alt N<br /><br />(2) The XPrize Foundation FB-posted a well-produced video of me explaining the concept of the self-preventing prophecy, and how we gird ourselves through science fiction to face tomorrow's perils. https://www.facebook.com/XPRIZE/videos/808449792667555/<br /><br />(3) Video of my talk on the future of A.I. to a packed house at IBM's World of Watson congress in Las Vegas, October 2016. A punchy tour of big perspectives on Intelligence, as well as both artificial and human augmentation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlwsJpwg3e0 <==^⌘N<br /><br />(4) At the Smithsonian - "Will we diversify into many types of humanity?" http://www.smithsonianmag.com/videos/category/future-is-here/david-brin/?no-ist<br /><br />(5) TEDxUCSD talk on “The addictive plague of getting mad as hell." http://tinyurl.com/wrathaddicts (And the scientific background: http://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/addiction.html )<br /><br />(6) Sober reflections on the TV show "Closer to Truth" - about topics ranging from the search for extraterrestrials (SETI) to philosophy of science, from religion to ESP to human destiny in the cosmos. http://www.closertotruth.com/contributor/david-brin/profile<br /><br />(7) “Multiverses, quantum entanglement and Free Will!” With two other astrophysicists at UCSD’s Arthur Clarke Center. http://imagination.ucsd.edu/_wp/news/the-physics-of-free-will/<br /><br />But here's a great series on sci fi! https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/novum<br /></i><br /><br />kiwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08608148077024141180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83095856765069522992019-11-02T15:24:26.188-07:002019-11-02T15:24:26.188-07:00Huh, a Pirsig fan! Better that than Plato.
onwar...Huh, a Pirsig fan! Better that than Plato.<br /><br />onward<br /><br />onward<br /><br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-2696686988613069532019-11-02T12:06:02.328-07:002019-11-02T12:06:02.328-07:00Larry Hart, my pseudonym is a take off on Phaedrus...Larry Hart, my pseudonym is a take off on Phaedrus' knife from Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. It seemed to be a little egotistical to claim that my own intellect was that sharp so i went with nailfile. I actually got the idea from occams comic that used to post here. If you just want to address it as Phae or whatever i wont take offense. I used to post here under my actual name but when i started posting on other less monitored forums i changed it for more anonymity.Phaedrusnailfilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09496149647457655733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44402452214341930652019-11-02T11:55:59.044-07:002019-11-02T11:55:59.044-07:00Phaedrunsnailfile:
One encouraging thing i have s...Phaedrunsnailfile:<br /><i><br />One encouraging thing i have seen in and amongst those progressive circles i mentioned is a growing number of people throwing around a "vote blue no matter who" hashtag.<br /></i><br /><br />I'm glad that's where you were. I had thought you were arguing for only supporting a particular Democrat, and letting Trump win otherwise.<br /><br />That's exactly my point as well. I have no problem with primary voters wanting to push their particular candidate, be it Biden or Warren or Sanders or whomever. But once a candidate is chosen, for better or worse, get behind him/her in order not to throw the election to Benedict Donald again. Whichever Democrat is is, no matter how bad you think his/her policies are, he/she will <b>not</b> be "just as bad or worse" as Trump. My freakin' <b>cat</b> would not be just as bad or worse than Trump.<br /><br />BTW, do you care to explain your pseudonym? It's a bitch to spell when quoting you. :)Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-57879000764154628342019-11-02T09:26:06.261-07:002019-11-02T09:26:06.261-07:00Larry Hart, thanks for taking the time to respond ...Larry Hart, thanks for taking the time to respond it is much appreciated. I do agree with your conclusion above regarding a centrist candidate, and will give some credence to the notion that sexism may well play a part if the eventual nominee is a woman. But if Warren is the nominee the defectors from the democratic party will be more from the centrist voter than it would be from those who would identify as progressives. I have already come across various hatchet job articles speculating as to why stocks would tank in a Warren presidency. I lost all the credibility in the progressive circles i comment in when i indicated support for Harris who was just too centrist for their tastes, but whom i found to be incredibly sharp minded despite whatever minor policy disagreements i may have had with her. One encouraging thing i have seen in and amongst those progressive circles i mentioned is a growing number of people throwing around a "vote blue no matter who" hashtag.Phaedrusnailfilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09496149647457655733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-23524008675220264362019-11-02T06:08:25.533-07:002019-11-02T06:08:25.533-07:00reason:
I've come to the conclusion that clim...reason:<br /><i><br />I've come to the conclusion that climate change really is what is driving the craziness (because it is so widespread). Several generations with a view of the world that cannot be sustained and resisting that realisation with everything they have got. <br /></i><br /><br />Well, but is that <b>just</b> about climate change? They have the same reaction to inexorable <b>social</b> changes, such as tolerance of homosexuality or women's autonomy. Same dynamic, but nothing to do with the weather.Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-88891385960958128832019-11-02T06:04:17.183-07:002019-11-02T06:04:17.183-07:00Phaedrunsnailfile:
But there is another thing whi...Phaedrunsnailfile:<br /><i><br />But there is another thing which I have found to be true about siblings tussles, after the fight is over and the emotion of the moment goes away they remember they are still family and support each other.<br /></i><br /><br />Wouldn't the same dynamic apply if the Dems nominate a progressive? The op-ed I was taking issue with was asserting that a Sanders or Warren nomination would cause large swaths of centrist Democratic voters to stay home or vote for Jill Stein. The advice it was giving to Democrats was to nominate a centrist like Biden to keep that from happening. My point was that that's what we did last time, and it most specifically <b>didn't</b> keep that from happening.<br /><br />I don't see the relevance of a statistical breakdown of what Bernie Bros did. The proof is in the (2016) pudding. Trump beat a centrist Democrat. Why do the same thing* and expect a different result?<br /><br />* I do realize that Hillary in particular brought baggage to the table, and that there were never-Hillary people who might have voted for a different Democrat. Then again, I think Elizabeth Warren would have the same problem.Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-41814335695494995502019-11-02T03:48:54.589-07:002019-11-02T03:48:54.589-07:00I've come to the conclusion that climate chang...I've come to the conclusion that climate change really is what is driving the craziness (because it is so widespread). Several generations with a view of the world that cannot be sustained and resisting that realisation with everything they have got. And as is always the case, there are amoral hucksters willing to milk that reluctance to accept reality.<br /><br />I'm of the view that you cannot introduce the massive re-engineering of our basic economic systems without first addressing economic security. If the shape of the future world is unknown, how can we expect people to plan the acquisition of their skill-set for that world?<br /><br />I truly think a universal basic income is the ONLY solution. And I think that is difficult (but not impossible) to introduce with large scale immigration. The only answer to reaction is to model a serious way forward. Liz might be wrong on some of the details, but at least she is trying. Lot's seem to be trying to pretend it will work to continue as before.reasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09488435543492412991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-24843215485586510342019-11-02T03:45:35.073-07:002019-11-02T03:45:35.073-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.reasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09488435543492412991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-11486827924120158502019-11-02T00:47:34.570-07:002019-11-02T00:47:34.570-07:00David,
I think the virtue ethics philosopher woul...David,<br /><br />I think the virtue ethics philosopher would argue that Curiosity is a mix of some of the others. Hope? Love?<br />Integrity is a mix too of Justice and Faith.<br /><br />The argument goes that the 'space' of character is spanned by the virtues. The exact list isn't important since one can rotate and invert in that space to resolve character into a different basis. Think vector spaces, but with the dimensions curled around on themselves. Too much Prudence (Scrooge) is a vice. Too little Prudence is also a vice, yet not quite the same.<br /><br />The basis for Enlightenment probably numbers seven, but it might be higher. Very unlikely to be less. Authors would know this, though, as any character you write is one you have to resolve in some kind of mental space you imagine.[Donaldson's Thomas Covenent is a coward until he isn't. The story arc addresses this transition.]<br /><br />As for Balance, that sounds like Justice and a bit of Faith and Courage. Lots of modern emergent social rules and a willingness to fight for the ideal. 8)<br /><br /><br />I was taught years ago to seek explicit support from a team that expects to coordinate their action in discovering their core values. What moves us? Pick three words. What people usually offer (after some thought) are virtues, but in a basis that makes sense to them.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-60046437578352437192019-11-02T00:33:39.263-07:002019-11-02T00:33:39.263-07:00Larry,
Two Scoops is a coward. He talks of civil ...Larry,<br /><br />Two Scoops is a coward. He talks of civil war and makes it sound like his people will "back him", but I'll go on record and bet they won't. Civil war requires organized action against a government. There are groups out there who could potentially do it, but I'd bet everything I've got they are almost all already infiltrated by members of our protector clade. The remaining residue of violence will be unorganized terror action. The 'action' they expect to take will fizzle in a miserably embarrassing way and they will mostly slink away. Except for the nuts.<br /><br />Two Scoops isn't attracting the courageous. He's losing them. Look at some of the people testifying lately. <br /><br />Two Scoops IS attracting people who have a sense of justice that aligns with his. Justice is about social rules. What is expected of you or others in particular settings. Among the Greeks, Justice allowed for slavery. Among us, not so much. Look at Two Scoops rant about HIS expectations for what should be for him and done by us. His sense of justice is misaligned with respect to ours, but not so with respect to the people he does manage to draw to him. His is the kind of justice defined by The Godfather. Ours isn't.<br /><br />The followers of Two Scoops are definitely faithful to the crafted image they think represents him. They are hopeful too. How the Christians among them fail to see this as a violation of Commandment #1 leaves me at a loss for words. But I can see both faith and hope in their Glorious Leader. For reference we are dealing with chapters 10 and 11 from Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom".<br /><br /><i> Many such people surely believe that God is watching. </i><br /><br />God IS one of those personifications. Just take my pantheistic set to the limit where one personifies only one of them who manifests all the ideal traits. Ta da! The Christian God.<br /><br /><i> "History has its eyes on you" </i><br /><br />Another personification. We do this a lot. That fact is what provides excellent support for early Catholics to extend Aristotle's list for cultures connected to the Greek tradition.<br /><br /><i> Even when he [Sim] thought that no contemporary reader understood what he was saying, he wanted his thoughts out there for possible future readers to note. </i><br /><br />Ah. That sounds more like Faith and a bit of Hope. He wanted to be loyal to himself (as he idealized, thus personified his own character) and hoped his record would matter in the future. The idealization was likely full of inaccuracies (who can really understand themselves?), but recursion is allowed. Kinda expected actually. Adam Smith's "impartial spectator" from "Theory of Moral Sentiments" is a lot like that.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83139880525925408062019-11-01T21:53:00.065-07:002019-11-01T21:53:00.065-07:00A second article I read from Vox titled "The ...A second article I read from Vox titled "The Bernie voters who defected to Trump explained by a political scientist" also seems to confirm my analysis, but once again I am hoping if it is my own confirmation bias at work then it will be pointed out to me. It is just that something our host said to me kind of started me thinking about the nature of siblings and the way they wrestle fight and squabble which is absolutely true. But there is another thing which I have found to be true about siblings tussles, after the fight is over and the emotion of the moment goes away they remember they are still family and support each other.Phaedrusnailfilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09496149647457655733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-59105407884719997632019-11-01T21:32:23.554-07:002019-11-01T21:32:23.554-07:00Larry Hart, I found the study I was referencing an...Larry Hart, I found the study I was referencing and if you have the time or inclination I was hoping to get your opinion. My reading of the data indicates that the narrative of progressives defecting because of their disagreement with centrist policies is dubious at best. The article is from 538 and it was published on Feb.21 2019. The title is How Bernies 2020 Map Might Change Without the #NeverHillaryVote." I totally understand if you find such a request is presumptuous and will bear you no ill will if you decline. It is more that my confidence in my own abilities to parse such data is less than perfect and would like other eyes to show me it's flaws.Phaedrusnailfilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09496149647457655733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-9701180071263863322019-11-01T21:10:50.013-07:002019-11-01T21:10:50.013-07:00Oh I left out the pardons! Both pre and post resig...Oh I left out the pardons! Both pre and post resignation. And God bless New York State.<br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-27673844841072994142019-11-01T21:08:38.420-07:002019-11-01T21:08:38.420-07:00The notion spreading now is that the bank & ta...The notion spreading now is that the bank & tax records will spill soon, one way or another. (How I'd love it to include Panama Paper revelations on Romney, Ryan etc.) If it looks way-harsh, Trump could resign and we have a plethora of paths I talk about where I dissect "chess moves" in Chapter 16 of POLEMICAL JUDO.<br /><br />- Tree branches would then depend on whether Pence:<br />1- is implicated<br />2- decides to run for the 2020 GOP nomination<br />3- demurs in order to be a caretaker (while looking for his Book of Revelation opportunity.)<br /><br />-- Also whether Trump thereupon:<br />1- Goes all-out blaming dems & libs - inciting McVeighs and more, while the GOP establishment shrugs and says "we are no longer responsible for that aberration on real conservatism"...<br />2- Goes all-out in jeremiads that include the Deep State and GOP "establishment"...<br />3- Has made a deal with hidden powers (unlikely to work as he boils over) or is martyred.<br /><br />Each of those branches has sub-branches and hybrids, some of them verging on science fictional. So? What kind of reality do you think we're already living in?<br /><br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-59603775487186070412019-11-01T21:05:36.244-07:002019-11-01T21:05:36.244-07:00No doubt sugar plum fantasies of 3rd & 4th par...No doubt sugar plum fantasies of 3rd & 4th parties are fizzing in all directions Putin/Murdoch will pour money/support into them all.<br /><br /> A shambling Naderstein monster to the left, raving 'corporatist" hallucinatons while crippling our coalition.<br /><br />Tulsi/Steyer/ and others concocting a "centrist" movement for national salvation.<br /><br />Romney-Ryan and their cabal finally erupting forth with whatever scheme they've been cooking, or else forestalled by President Pence, after Trump resigns but goes rally-nuts on the road. <br /><br />A monster truck party of the far right? <br /><br />All of it aimed at ripping us apart. Andfor all of the above, we need to be ready with the meme weapons I supply in POLEMICAL JUDO. <br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-9977047321386419102019-11-01T20:06:54.539-07:002019-11-01T20:06:54.539-07:00Conservatives voted third party (or Trump) because...Conservatives voted third party (or Trump) because the DNC wasn't fair to Bernie? Because Hillary was too corporate? I mean, why would they do that?<br /><br />I wasn't originally arguing with you. I was expressing confusion that the writer of an op-ed cautioning Democrats to nominate a centrist because otherwise centrists will vote third party and let Trump win. Wasn't the problem in 2016 that Democrats nominated a centrist?Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83555629729939365482019-11-01T19:36:01.343-07:002019-11-01T19:36:01.343-07:00I think it would be best for me to post the analys...I think it would be best for me to post the analysis since it goes into a more than I can summarize here. But I am not sure of the etiquette for posting links here. The article goes on to break down the fact that not all of the people who defected were necessarily progressive in fact a large number of the defectors identified as conservative. I just want to stress this. I am not trying to pick a fight.Phaedrusnailfilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09496149647457655733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-74361488389282267072019-11-01T19:23:27.186-07:002019-11-01T19:23:27.186-07:00I have mixed feelings about what things'd be l...I have mixed feelings about what things'd be like if Clinton won. Oh, Trump taking office was a national and world disaster. But Hillary in the White House would have been utter hell, with civil war likely gone-hot and a 2018 trouncing for the dems. There'd have been zero legislating done. Zero. Though that includes the 2019 Supply Side Voodoo fift to the rich, so at least our finances would be much better.<br /><br />Unless real proof of total putin-war against us let her smack old Vlad so hard... Maybe I'm underestimating her. And in that other universe the civil service is functioning well and all that. Still, it's a hellish place. Just hellish in different ways. Maybe we were just scheduled for Heinlein's "The Crazy Years."<br /><br />At least in this universe the late night talk show monologues are hilarious. Guffaws mixed with sobs of pain.<br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-20740941957487616342019-11-01T19:07:13.138-07:002019-11-01T19:07:13.138-07:00@Phaedrunsnailfile,
So what are you questioning? ...@Phaedrunsnailfile,<br /><br />So what are you questioning? Sounds like your own figures back up my sense of things. Are you not counting the 12% because they didn't vote "third party"? The point was that they voted in such a way as to let Trump win because they thought Hillary was worse, or "just as bad".Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-43432820518791171762019-11-01T18:55:53.020-07:002019-11-01T18:55:53.020-07:00Larry Hart, I am just curious as to where you came...Larry Hart, I am just curious as to where you came to the conclusion that regarding progressives not voting for Hillary and instead voted third party. The analysis of Bernie supporters from 538 showed that 12% of voted for Trump, 4.5% voted for Stein, and 3.2% voted for Johnson. Phaedrusnailfilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09496149647457655733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-45275533414525242932019-11-01T17:52:25.617-07:002019-11-01T17:52:25.617-07:00If I truly had my druthers, I'd have Mayor Pet...If I truly had my druthers, I'd have Mayor Pete as prez and Liz as the frenetic-busy "plan" effusive veep. Buttigieg is the only borderline genius in the bunch and he has by far the best approach. And I'm not at all confident the nation - especially blacks/hispanics - are ready for him.<br /><br />My second - more likely - choice is Warren-Inslee, so she'd have an able administrator in the building who could also explain practical politics.<br /><br />My crackpot theory is that Biden knows he's a lightning rod, intending to draw fire. Always, in life, consider the possibility that what you just saw happen might have been intentional.<br /><br />No tears over Beto. Or Tulsi (soon I hope). Castro's likely next though I like him. Bennett deserved better, methinks, but it's taking shape.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-62555741895580909872019-11-01T17:47:06.252-07:002019-11-01T17:47:06.252-07:00The lie is that it is "The Democrats" ar...The lie is that it is "The Democrats" are the ones who dislike Trump, and that their reasons for doing so are partisan. And so, if The Democrats won't give us what we want--a Bernie or a Warren nomination--we will punish <b>them</b> by foisting Trump on <b>them</b>. As if sticking the entire country with Trump is mere collateral damage.Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-28317855479062394992019-11-01T17:46:12.213-07:002019-11-01T17:46:12.213-07:00DD the grain of truth is that many dems know where...DD the grain of truth is that many dems know where the tax dollars come from, that has let us expand so many good endeavors. "Capitalism is a loaded-useless term. But flat-fair-creative-competitive-innovative enterprise has been a partner with taxpayer supported R&D, infrastructure, education, health, lustice and safety net. Neither could have worked without the other, something Marx never envisioned, though Adam Smith did and the Greatest (FDR) Generation found a sweet spot.<br /><br />Which is why the oligarchy's agenda has been to tear down the GGs' whole edifice and re-install feudalism. And with allies like jim, they may succeed.<br /><br />In POLEMICAL JUDO I show that flat-fair-creative-competitive-innovative enterprise has always done better under democrats, even as they invest in children and infrastructure and justice and science. It's a positive sum arrangement that most on the entire-right and far-left simply cannot comprehend, in their desperation to have simplistic enemies.<br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-90658755432946088912019-11-01T17:11:32.489-07:002019-11-01T17:11:32.489-07:00Jim and DSmelser are doing EXACTLY what Dr Brin sa...Jim and DSmelser are doing EXACTLY what Dr Brin says they are doing and by doing so they are buying the GOP's BIGGEST LIE<br /><br />The HUGE LIE that<br />"Both parties are the SAME"<br /><br />That the "Corporate Wing" of the Dems is the same as the GOP<br /><br />Back in 2000 when Bush 2 was elected there was a smidgin of truth in that lie - but anytime after Bush 2 - that LIE has been horribly massively a LIE - with NO truth in it at all<br /><br />The "Worst Case" - the most "Corporatist" Democratic Government will be an ocean better than the "Best Case" GOP Government<br /><br />You can always try for a "Best Case" with Warren - but even a "Worst Case" Biden or Tulsi Government will be oceans better than any GOP Government duncan cairncrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153725128216947145noreply@blogger.com