tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post348571882251431151..comments2024-03-29T00:39:31.629-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: A Threat to the Internet as We Know ItDavid Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-54454408161146255302012-12-12T16:29:01.027-08:002012-12-12T16:29:01.027-08:00I think that confuses the person with the products...I think that confuses the person with the products of their behaviors. Ah well. No doubt the philosophers will debate this for generations. <br /><br />In the mean time.... <br />Look at what we can DO!<br /><br />Heh.<br /><br />Time to go read the next post.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-45482197443618872422012-12-12T15:19:17.010-08:002012-12-12T15:19:17.010-08:00Hi Adifer
I think a man (person) is (at least par...Hi Adifer<br /><br />I think a man (person) is (at least partially) described by what he does or achieves,<br />I describe myself as an engineer - I don't have spanners grown on the end of my arms <br /><br />"A hammer extends what a person can do, but it doesn't extend them" <br /><br />By extending what he/she can do it does extend him/her<br /><br />As an engineer I am acutely aware of how many generations of shoulders I am standing on - if engineers didn't plagiarize we would be sitting outside our cave wondering what type of stone to make our axes out of.<br /><br />With the ability to make more things I am a different person than I was ten years ago - not better just different duncan cairncrossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-36452573191294895502012-12-12T14:24:33.033-08:002012-12-12T14:24:33.033-08:00"Indeed... the SPREAD of "the spread of ...<i>"Indeed... the SPREAD of "the spread of democracy in South America, South East Asia; Eastern Europe; Africa and most recently the Middle East" is precisely the reason that oligarchic clades are running scared and insisting on greater internet control. And if you look at a map and include Russia, China and Ukraine, Congo, Iran in the color of tyranny... then there's a Looooong way to go."</i><br /><br />Remember that whenever any U.N. supporter pretends to care about human rights.<br /><br />As Bruce Willis said in Die Hard, "Welcome to the party, pal!"<br />RandyBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-89726079758565166892012-12-12T12:29:14.338-08:002012-12-12T12:29:14.338-08:00Back when I was in college in the early 1990s, I h...Back when I was in college in the early 1990s, I had a physicist teacher who felt that any science ending with an -ology wasn't a real science, and any "science" ending with the word Science was a fraud. He was fun. (Though he handwaved away my comments on "geology" by claiming it was an offshoot of physics. As was astronomy.)<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-25954158924759871582012-12-12T11:55:59.975-08:002012-12-12T11:55:59.975-08:00Sociophysicist?! What manner of strange beast is t...Sociophysicist?! What manner of strange beast is that?<br /><br />Physicists like to play in other people's sandboxes all the time, but retaining our subject name makes me laugh at them. It is as if they want to give their new interest a science patina.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-81068791296656290322012-12-12T11:50:30.183-08:002012-12-12T11:50:30.183-08:00duncan,
Oh. Maybe I'm being too literal then?...duncan,<br /><br />Oh. Maybe I'm being too literal then? 8)<br /><br />Hmm... A hammer extends what a person can do, but it doesn't extend them. A few generations (genetic or memetic) later after a few adaptations have occured within us, then we have been extended... I suppose. <br /><br />Is a bird extended by a better-built nest? <br /><br />When I hold a rock that is roughly the size and shape of a old stone axe, I feel a sense of completion. Is that extension? 8)Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-87057089814836318482012-12-12T05:55:21.754-08:002012-12-12T05:55:21.754-08:00Slightly off this topic... but I know an interest ...Slightly off this topic... but I know an interest of yours:<br /><br />Sociophysicists Discover Universal Pattern of Voting Behaviour<br /><br />http://www.technologyreview.com/view/508676/sociophysicists-discover-universal-pattern-of-voting-behaviour/<br /><br />Not sure where it leads or the implications... but it should indicate that the 'design' of a representative system has a lot to do with its operation.Tom Crowlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04444476865484424912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-18496341157589504192012-12-11T21:15:01.318-08:002012-12-11T21:15:01.318-08:00Duncan,
I'm not saying anything, I'm just ...Duncan,<br />I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying...<br /><br /><a href="http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones" rel="nofollow">http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones</a>Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-49490179977910435072012-12-11T17:35:53.383-08:002012-12-11T17:35:53.383-08:00d - was me
On an entirely different subject Amazo...d - was me<br /><br />On an entirely different subject Amazon seems to have changed a bit and now I find it will let me buy the books (Kindle) that I wanted<br />no more<br />The book you requested is not available in your region<br />(not so far)duncan cairncrossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-48949422461250686712012-12-11T16:30:37.278-08:002012-12-11T16:30:37.278-08:00"The internet can't be an extension of ou..."The internet can't be an extension of our nervous system. I don't see how that analogy can work."<br /><br />It is! In the same way that a club was an extension of our arms and claws in the early hunter gatherer daysdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-57204640680219534062012-12-11T10:59:11.522-08:002012-12-11T10:59:11.522-08:00The internet can't be an extension of our nerv...The internet can't be an extension of our nervous system. I don't see how that analogy can work. What it can do is extend the reach of behaviors we already manifest and support social institutions that were previously too expensive to be worth building and maintaining. I am no better or worse, but I am more successful when embedded in powerful processes.<br /><br />I think of the internet more as an environment for us than as an extension of us. We shape it and the activities that occur within it to our desires and the successful structures grow and propagate. The demarcation between the landscape and the structures on the landscape is murky, though. Since those structures are built from our memes I can see why some see it as a personal extension, but I argue that we are already that large. It's just that previously prohibitively expensive behaviors are now emerging.<br /><br />When we start integrating or adapting our physical selves to these structures, that's when I'll see the internet as an extension of us.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-52304617516483792432012-12-11T10:11:43.682-08:002012-12-11T10:11:43.682-08:00If the internet is "like" an external br...If the internet is "like" an external brain, then a big car is "like" an external phallus. <br /><br />Easy access to information isn't "like" being smarter. Intelligence comes from the application of information rather than its possession.<br /><br />As in the case of the freedom fighters, a man is defined by what he does rather than what he owns and/or possesses. <br /><br />Just like owning a full-sized truck does not necessarily make me, like, so virile.<br /><br />Duncan makes himself a better man by applying his internet info.<br /><br />Bestlocumranchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-20098053144593849552012-12-11T08:45:46.304-08:002012-12-11T08:45:46.304-08:00And they emerge from the Sham II vehicle with glea...And they emerge from the Sham II vehicle with gleaming hair. Sham-poo? Needs some conditioner.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-36179606545888984722012-12-11T03:49:55.434-08:002012-12-11T03:49:55.434-08:00Syrian rebels have been watching an awful lot of T...Syrian rebels have been watching an awful lot of The A-Team between firefights...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.france24.com/en/20121209-sham-ii-new-fighting-machine-syria-rebels" rel="nofollow">http://www.france24.com/en/20121209-sham-ii-new-fighting-machine-syria-rebels</a><br />Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-65186319795999446552012-12-11T03:41:07.845-08:002012-12-11T03:41:07.845-08:00The proposal to the ITU to take over the internet ...The proposal to the ITU to take over the internet has been withdrawn by its sponsor nations (mainly Russian and China). So it may have just been a tester.<br /><br />The fact that they put their name to it (previously the idea would be floated by a single nation), suggests they think they're getting close to the numbers, but not this year.Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-6893923038651546762012-12-11T03:06:02.752-08:002012-12-11T03:06:02.752-08:00"I see the internet more along the lines as a..."I see the internet more along the lines as a better tool whose use will not necessarily make me a better (or bigger) man, analogous to the little man who buys a compensatory big car."<br /><br />But man is the tool using animal - its his tools that sets him apart<br />My library - or the internet - is like an external brain - If I want to know something - its there - I have used the internet to find things out and to make things that I would not have been able to without<br /><br />I am a "better" man because of the internet - I can make a lot more things<br /><br />Last Thursday my DIY electric car actually went - I highly illegally drove it down the road<br />Among other things it has an open source power controller - $600 as opposed to a $4000 store bought one<br /><br />duncan cairncrossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-70780699110490049662012-12-10T22:48:53.006-08:002012-12-10T22:48:53.006-08:00That comment was not person-specific & it came...That comment was not person-specific & it came off too harsh.<br /><br />We are like little weak twigs, and like the Roman Fasces, the internet binds us together & makes us a strong bundle even though (individually) we remain little twigs.<br /><br />Best.locumranchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-55491312521743447832012-12-10T22:31:09.429-08:002012-12-10T22:31:09.429-08:00Thought so.
I love Mcluhan & the other logic...Thought so. <br /><br />I love Mcluhan & the other logical positivists, but here's where you & I differ.<br /><br />I see the internet more along the lines as a better tool whose use will not necessarily make me a better (or bigger) man, analogous to the little man who buys a compensatory big car.<br /><br />Despite the big car, the man remains the same literal size, uncompensated. <br /><br />;)<br /><br />Best.locumranchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44736381454773411872012-12-10T21:57:15.246-08:002012-12-10T21:57:15.246-08:00Said it frequently. The internet MIGHT make us sm...Said it frequently. The internet MIGHT make us smarter... if we add tools of discourse, Twitter is not the direction.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-18091787647883247542012-12-10T21:53:56.795-08:002012-12-10T21:53:56.795-08:00Just realized that I probably missed the main assu...Just realized that I probably missed the main assumption of DB's internet post:<br /><br />The literal acceptance of Marshall Mcluhan's electric-age analogy.<br /><br />So, I put it to the group:<br /><br />Do you believe that the internet (along with our other electronic gadgets) represents the de facto extension of our human central nervous system?<br /><br />And, if so, do you then believe that your internet-based interconnectedness somehow makes you larger, smarter and more globally relevant?<br /><br />???<br /><br />locumranchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-70333618204953480362012-12-10T19:56:49.964-08:002012-12-10T19:56:49.964-08:00Anonymous,
Re: Nuisance laws on property.
Interes...Anonymous,<br />Re: Nuisance laws on property.<br /><br />Interesting idea. How would you define a basic "nuisance" law for intellectual property like copyright/patents/trademarks?<br /><br />Looking at the simpler examples from around the world, the land-property version is usually...<br /><br />A nuisance is doing, or allowing through negligence, anything which,<br /> (a) annoys, injures or endangers;<br /> (b) is offensive to the senses;<br /> (c) is offensive to decency;<br /> (d) interferes with the use of any commons (waterway, park, or street);<br /> (e) restricts another's free use of their own property, or makes uncertain/unsafe that use.<br /><br />I can see how IP laws currently fail in many of these areas, but how do restrict "IP nuisance" without just eliminating IP?<br /><br />[The blogger Turing test is now showing me pictures of spray painted numbers. If it starts on full graffiti murals, I may not be able to post.]Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-10957202130167777882012-12-10T16:14:48.680-08:002012-12-10T16:14:48.680-08:00I am told (cannot vouch) that a petition aiming at...I am told (cannot vouch) that a petition aiming at 1 million folks objecting to increased state control over the internet is gathering signatures. <br /><br />http://www.avaaz.org/en/hands_off_our_internet_i/?byWQqbb&v=20018 David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-39015491306461600672012-12-10T16:14:48.319-08:002012-12-10T16:14:48.319-08:00I am told (cannot vouch) that a petition aiming at...I am told (cannot vouch) that a petition aiming at 1 million folks objecting to increased state control over the internet is gathering signatures. <br /><br />http://www.avaaz.org/en/hands_off_our_internet_i/?byWQqbb&v=20018 David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-88513784617122622392012-12-10T15:27:01.509-08:002012-12-10T15:27:01.509-08:00Ian, Russia and China and Iran are the leaders of ...Ian, Russia and China and Iran are the leaders of the movement to make the Internet wholly subsumed under national sovereignty.<br /><br />Sociotard, it was China and death in the fictional version.... by Ray Bradbury.<br /><br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-61902922007973015352012-12-10T13:19:45.724-08:002012-12-10T13:19:45.724-08:00"And if you look at a map and include Russia,... "And if you look at a map and include Russia, China and Ukraine, Congo, Iran in the color of tyranny... then there's a Looooong way to go."<br /><br />Except in the UN voting isn't based on either geographic extent or population.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739671401151990700noreply@blogger.com