tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post236448914146599358..comments2024-03-28T04:58:13.341-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: The magic folks who can save us, though few are still alive. Plus sending the Electors to "College."David Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger132125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-29499711254332902282019-04-07T14:58:28.213-07:002019-04-07T14:58:28.213-07:00TCB the top problem is defection. Any state can de...TCB the top problem is defection. Any state can defect whenever it chooses. And Red States are guaranteed to rub their hands chortling with glee.<br /><br />Onward.<br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-47793194810540872402019-04-07T14:14:28.877-07:002019-04-07T14:14:28.877-07:00Darn, missed the onward train by mere minutes~Darn, missed the onward train by mere minutes~TCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08153506222271955110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-90629176956177455032019-04-07T14:13:31.745-07:002019-04-07T14:13:31.745-07:00Hi all, I'm the commenter Dr. Brin quoted at l...Hi all, I'm the commenter Dr. Brin quoted at length in the main post, on the actual history of Electoral College results, and how the EC has a much worse track record than the wisdom of the crowd. (Thank you, Dr. Brin, I get a lift from your kind consideration as a host and moderator!) I really don't have anything else to add, but a question. Dr. Brin wrote, <br /><br />"One workaround popular among liberals is the “the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact”… an absolutely stupid idea that cannot possibly work, at any level, at any stage in any realistic process."<br /><br />I'd like a little more detail on what the flaws of such a compact are. At present, the Compact has the support of states comprising 189 electoral votes, needs to surpass 270 to become effective, and may well fizzle out short of that point and never come to pass. If it were to pass, however, it would seem to prevent further EC-over-popular-vote travesties (and I do feel comfortable using that word, since the EC has never made a better choice than the pop vote and 60% of the time did much worse).<br /><br />So, yes, a question: why is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact stupid and unworkable? (Right now, I don't see a problem, except that the states outside it won't like it, and many of them are, ahem, not exactly on the right side of the Civil War, know what I mean...)TCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08153506222271955110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-79110635811683025432019-04-07T14:05:44.918-07:002019-04-07T14:05:44.918-07:00onward
onwardonward<br /><br />onwardDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-56850393102604668802019-04-07T13:43:44.342-07:002019-04-07T13:43:44.342-07:00“Yeah, sure... now it's clearly seen who do no...“Yeah, sure... now it's clearly seen who do not like, do not want to learn, to recieve and process new information. And that's me, of course... how anyone even could imagine something else.”<br /><br />I will leave this up in order to illustrate why your subsequent postings will be erased for two days. If you try this crap again, it will be a week. Then a month. You are a rude and silly person, and the quality of this community refutes your claim that it is me.<br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-27463249624525096212019-04-07T11:39:24.833-07:002019-04-07T11:39:24.833-07:00progressbot: All greatest works was done by people...progressbot: <i>All greatest works was done by people before their 40. Or even 30.</i><br /><br />Nope.<br /><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37578899" rel="nofollow">Why are Nobel Prize winners getting older?</a><br /><br />There is the Feynman 'degeneration of scientific discovery' notion, maybe you're referring to that.Mike Willhttp://scidata.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-23631093409407944542019-04-07T10:00:39.619-07:002019-04-07T10:00:39.619-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.progressbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-57648354351149624932019-04-07T06:57:30.168-07:002019-04-07T06:57:30.168-07:00Tim Wolter:
An adjustment of the Signal to Noise ...Tim Wolter:<br /><i><br />An adjustment of the Signal to Noise ratio* would certainly increase my postings. <br /></i><br /><br />An increase in your postings might adjust the Signal to Noise ratio.<br /><br />Just sayin'Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-19009796864525089422019-04-07T06:53:36.891-07:002019-04-07T06:53:36.891-07:00Tim Wolter:
the poster "ratio" whose op...Tim Wolter:<br /><i><br />the poster "ratio" whose opinions I respect even when I disagree.<br /></i><br /><br />A fellow Wisconsinite, too.<br /><br /><br />Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-34078957687776317082019-04-07T06:19:53.686-07:002019-04-07T06:19:53.686-07:00Tipping points are tricky things, and the conseque...Tipping points are tricky things, and the consequences can sneak up on you before you know it. <br /><a href="https://reneweconomy.com.au/renewable-energy-now-accounts-for-a-third-of-global-power-capacity-69547/" rel="nofollow">At the end of 2018, about 2.35TW, or a third of global electricity supply, was sourced from renewables.</a>Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-79763095322383196422019-04-07T06:10:05.726-07:002019-04-07T06:10:05.726-07:00An adjustment of the Signal to Noise ratio* would ...An adjustment of the Signal to Noise ratio* would certainly increase my postings. <br /><br />TW/T2<br /><br />*not, it must be said, an oblique reference to the poster "ratio" whose opinions I respect even when I disagree.Tacitushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007086196578740689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-5861650376683801282019-04-07T04:20:00.724-07:002019-04-07T04:20:00.724-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.progressbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-56089756989338369002019-04-07T04:08:18.241-07:002019-04-07T04:08:18.241-07:00Yeah, sure... now it's clearly seen who do no...Yeah, sure... now it's clearly seen who do not like, do not want to learn, to recieve and process new information. And that's me, of course... how anyone even could imagine something else.<br /><br />Well, I do not understand only... what's the problem with Trump. Than. :) <br /><br /><br />\\ideas flow as interestingly as they do here.<br /><br />It was a joke? Because I'm not quite undestand ams humor, you know. :)progressbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-47964360152739642902019-04-07T00:06:16.344-07:002019-04-07T00:06:16.344-07:00I am utterly bored and did not read the long rant ...I am utterly bored and did not read the long rant by PBot. He is back on probation. He is filling our comments section with denunciations of things that I never said, while claiming that I DISAGREE with things that I already said. <br /><br />His lack of even slight curiosity about Marxist theory is his privilege. <br /><br />But I will not abide him wasting our time and space telling others not to be interested.<br /><br />I am warning you sir. Behave better or find another place where ideas flow as interestingly as they do here.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-34348827902591062322019-04-06T23:42:26.889-07:002019-04-06T23:42:26.889-07:00>> Jon S. said...
\\I thought that might be ...>> Jon S. said...<br />\\I thought that might be the point of rupture between Dr. Brin and the NotBot. Dr. Brin was attempting to discuss the theoretical underpinnings of Marxist thought,<br /><br />Well, I stated it openly and clearly... that I do not count "theoretical underpinnings of Marxist thought" as anything else as militant crankery, absolutly acid poisoning bullshit and bloody stupidity... and I have history of my relatives behind my back to support that claim.<br /><br />And what have dr.Brin? Why he so sure? I dunno. He never gave me chance to reveal that truth. (good grief/ thing I checked meaning of word "revile" I erroneously could place instead %) what a nasty lang that English... that's might be the reason dr.Brin constantly stating that I'm angry -- how should I know what *intonation* one can see in my words in English that way???)<br /><br /><br />\\ while the 'Bot was discussing the practical aspects of Stalinist government - which is not the same thing.<br /><br />Exact same thing. Because as I said above -- Marxism never had "theoretical meaning" what so ever.<br />And only historical applications and circumstances.<br />That, must know and understand anyone, who claim that he know marxism and/or history of USSR (or China) as expert. My claim. <br /><br /><br />\\ (Stalin still appealed to the memory of Marx, which is why his propaganda pushed the Marxist dialectic,<br /><br />You did meant to say "Lenin's dialectics" isn't it?<br />Because masses of people in USSR did not know and doesn't cared about some stupid Marx.<br />And only Stalin's closeness to Lenin was important... well, before he made Purge and became autocrat.<br /><br /><br />\\ but as far as I can tell Stalin's government bore the same resemblance to actual Marxist theory as the modern Republican Party does to actual conservative theory, that is to say none worth noting.)<br /><br />First sane words about this matters here. Yes, it is.<br /><br />And Khruschov made own version. Of "actual Marxist theory". And Bregnev own. Etc, etc.<br /><br />And...<br /><br />>> David Brin said...<br />\\By the way, the Chinese Communist Party goes to great lengths to promote its own version of the Marxist class-succession model. They have had to twist themselves into pretzels to do it. But they give it very high priority. And officials study hard, because one wrong sentence can ruin them.<br /><br />...like something new. :)))<br /><br /><br />>> locumranch said...<br /><br />As always. You do not know what you are talking about, Loco. :)))<br /><br />We in USSR, for example, all was "poor and oppressed... but freed and pure". Want to be one too? :Pprogressbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-39007012737096364422019-04-06T23:02:07.271-07:002019-04-06T23:02:07.271-07:00>> Blogger David Brin said...
\\It is like...>> Blogger David Brin said...<br /><br /><br />\\It is likely that many of them believed their religion, since it made excuses for their power. much<br /><br />Or just pretended it.<br />All my life there was lots anecdotes, showing real attitude toward that crap.<br />Like "they pretend they paying us, we pretend we are working". Etc.<br /><br /><br />\\Putin probably believed it, at one point.<br /><br />Doubt it. Very much. Because he was from generation of cynics already.<br /><br /><br />\\You truly haven’t even the slightest idea what I am talking about. Enraged, you once again refuse to be curious, but instead to screech at a shadow of your own imagining.<br /><br />Well. Some of your assertions was curious. But you denied my inquiries to elaborate that ones. (yawn) <br /><br /><br />\\It’s too bad. You are a smart person. You might actually learn something. But rage controls you.<br /><br />My yawn controls me. :)))<br /><br /><br /><br />\\“you and David trying to teach me what life was in USSR”<br />\\This is an outright lie. I was describing basic Marxist historical-sequence theory and why soviet films and novels had to accept certain basic assumptions in their choice of heroes and villains. I said nothing about your life in the USSR. Nothing at all. <br />\\That was a lie.<br /><br />Very simple. That your "basic assumptions" is plain bullshit. Based on you don't knowing well realities of life in USSR.<br />You trying to say that this "historical-sequence theory" is something big and important. While in reality... it was infinitesimal in importance.<br />Important was OTHER things... but you showed no interest in knowing them. And only continue to accuse me, that I show so little interest in your Unstable Fables about history of USSR...<br />while you do not answer on my questions and that way just deny me to exercise my interest... while I'm really interested -- why you think what you think is true???<br /><br />Only Yana provided some valid (I hope) feedback on that matters.<br /><br /><br />\\As for US films, the ideology is to flatter the audience into forking over more money. Some do this with simplistic-stupid action (Rambo) and some do it with self-criticism chic (In The Heat of the Night)… making the audience feel sorry for an eccentric or minority who is being abused by authority.<br /><br />I see it clear myself.<br />Like that R 1 was clearly anti(Vietnam)war film.<br />But it turned it up to 11, and it become interesting for audience.<br />So next film become PRO-war propaganda.<br />And next just agitka about war if Afgan.<br /><br />That's why Putinists in RFia screeching so much, and even Put_in itself said it sorely... that your propaganda is just so great... that RFia need to learn big time of it. :))) To win. Or just not to lose.<br /><br /><br />\\Again it is a pure lie to say that I was talking about “real life in the USSR.” Show me where I did that. I dare you.<br /><br />Well, Ok. Here is one stark example<br /><br />""“Why I, while having actual experience living in USSR, being soaked with its propaganda.<br />Hear something like that... for the first time in my life??? :)))”<br /><br />I am not responsible for the fact that your ears were filled with wax. Go and find an old communist — an educated one — and ask him about the Marxist historical sequence from feudalism to monarchy to boureoise capitalism then proletarian revolution. Don’t yell at me. Just go and find out.""<br /><br />And that's just after I gave it above here, that "historical sequence from feudalism to monarchy".progressbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-24171521485345595092019-04-06T23:00:33.799-07:002019-04-06T23:00:33.799-07:00>> Blogger David Brin said...
\\I give up. I...>> Blogger David Brin said...<br />\\I give up. It is useless to argue with Progressbot. Perhaps it is the language barrier.<br /><br />It's just the way you do your argumentation. Just providing some separate facts, don't listen to opponent answers and continue to push it on pure emotion, instead of logic. That's all.<br />Well, it's like 99% of inet discussion is. So, please do not take it too closer to yourself. It's not flame. It's just constatation. The same as your POV above.<br /><br /><br />\\He does not disagree with what I actually said.<br /><br />Of course.. I'm not Loco or Yana, to argue with obvious facts. :)<br /><br /><br />\\I said that the communist propaganda machine claimed that marxism accurately understands and predicts history.<br /><br />Yep, they claimed. But supported this claims with guns, with sending to GuLag, not with scientific arguments. That's what you seemingly do not understand. Because such simple truth, known to every post-soviet, is just unimaginable to people living in peaceful and civil place, I presume.<br />But that exact makes it so disturbing and dangerous...<br /><br /><br />\\He shows no curiosity about that pure fact that underpinned all Soviet propaganda.<br /><br />Because there is *nothing* curious to me in that fact. Because it is news for you, but not for me, by obvious reasons I constantly remind about.<br /><br /><br />\\No he screams “bullshit!” at me for something I never said. I never said that the Marxist assertion was TRUE. I never claimed that the Marxist teleology sequence of history was true… though it had some persuasive correlation in the feudal-monarchy-bourgeoise sequence.<br /><br />1. I didn't scream. And don't know what make you think so. My "bullshit" was mild assertions here.<br /><br />2. You corollaries are just strange... like that -- USSR tried to "validate" their "knowledge", or that soviet writers should write about "good princes become good kings"... and do not corresponds to anything, literary anything, I know from USSR.<br /><br />3. I don't know reasons, and tried to ask you questions to find out, so our discussion could be more productive. But you ignored it, add just added more such things -- what should I do?<br /><br /><br />\\You do not have any idea what the top communists actually believed. Are you a mind reader?<br /><br />And you.<br />Well, I thought about such argument myself, days ago.<br />And... does it matter what plots have had higher-ups in their minds???<br />It's not with that ideas people was going into fight, ready to kill, ready to die... but with that ideas that was introduced into masses by "agit-prop" (agitation and propaganda), isn't it?<br /><br />Other way... it just conspirology. That "what they had in their minds".<br />But well, I heard such arguments, and very often... from "vatniks".<br />But for them, I understand why they use it -- out of desperation...<br />And why you...<br /><br /><br />\\Every public pronouncement that they made exclaimed their belief in the Marxist historical sequence.<br /><br />Why you say "historical sequence" here? I dunno.<br />Most of my life, most important topic of propaganda, was "West is bloody and dangerous".<br />Not about some gibberish "historical sequences".progressbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-72708159775513482092019-04-06T20:52:35.418-07:002019-04-06T20:52:35.418-07:00Not much time (traveling)... But, one more quick t...Not much time (traveling)... But, one more quick try at an optimal procedure to elect a president (I know this is "fantasy" from the standpoint of getting it passed--multiple constitutional amendments, etc.)<br /><br />eligibility:<br />Citizen with cumulative residency of at least 25 years<br />Between the ages of 35 and 65 on inauguration day<br />Served at least four years as a representative, senator, governor or mayor of a city with over 300000 population<br /><br />No electoral college.<br />Residents of territories can vote.<br />Process is structurally nonpartisan (candidates qualify independently, regardless of party).<br /><br />"One stop filing" (places the candidate on the ballot nationwide with no late entries or withdrawals).<br /><br />Requirements for filing: <br />Complete financial disclosure for candidate and immediate family. Release of 5 years of tax returns by candidate. <br />Filing fee 5% of salary ($20000 at the moment, I think).<br /><br />Filing deadline in first week of January.<br /><br />Primary run under a staggered, elimination format with four rounds.<br /><br />First round held on the same day in the first week of March in the smallest 12 states, DC and the four minor territories (about 5% of the population).<br /><br />Primary open and structured as a truncated rank choice with the voter designating 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choices. Rank choice tabulation performed on the pooled results of all 17 jurisdictions. Top 12 candidates move forward.<br /><br />Second round held on the same day in the first week of April in the next twelve larger states and Puerto Rico (around 11 percent of the population). Same rules. Top nine candidates move forward.<br /><br />Third round held on the same day in the first week of May in the next 13 larger states (around 23% of the population). Same rules. Top 6 candidates move forward.<br /><br />Fourth round held on the same day in the first week of June in the largest 13 states (a bit more than 60% of the population). Same rules. Top 3 candidates move forward to the general election in the fall.<br /><br />Top 3 candidates appoint their vice presidential candidates (withing 10 days?). VP must meet all eligibility and filing requirements for president except the filing fee. Appointed VP inherits the ballot line if something happens to the candidate during the election. If the candidate is elected, VP serves in current role but nomination may be rejected by a 2/3 vote of the senate.<br /><br />General election held under Condorcet rules with the voter designating 1st and 2nd choices.<br /><br />By the way, "for the record" the number of jurisdictions stated in my last post if Main/Nebraska system was adopted nationwide should have been been 486, not 536--"brain glitch."<br /><br />CPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-88508738130092616132019-04-06T20:19:19.141-07:002019-04-06T20:19:19.141-07:00By the way, the Chinese Communist Party goes to gr...By the way, the Chinese Communist Party goes to great lengths to promote its own version of the Marxist class-succession model. They have had to twist themselves into pretzels to do it. But they give it very high priority. And officials study hard, because one wrong sentence can ruin them.<br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-57122597366272630792019-04-06T16:36:18.569-07:002019-04-06T16:36:18.569-07:00Kal, California requires all new homes to be solar...Kal, California requires all new homes to be solar. That's a big step.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-14087261993393668192019-04-06T15:47:00.620-07:002019-04-06T15:47:00.620-07:00Hi Kal Kallevig
While don't eat the seed corn ...Hi Kal Kallevig<br />While don't eat the seed corn is critically important when you are getting a return of two or three to one with an energy return of 60:1 it becomes a lot less critical!<br />Today's farmers DO "eat the seed corn" because the seeds produced my the agri companies give a return of over 100:1 and it's more effective to get new seed every year<br /><br />As far as the transition to renewables is concerned when I look into my battered and cracked crystal ball I see a transition that is now inevitable - driven by lower costs of renewables - BUT one that is too slow to avoid the effects of Global Warming<br /><br />I expect us to have to do some quite intensive "Geo Engineering" to make the transition acceptable - (I like OTEC and ocean fertilisation)<br /><br />I look at the history of Britain and the Commonwealth in WW2 as an example of the amount of effort that we as a species are able to put into that transition and I feel confident that we will be able to weather it - but I hope it will NOT require that level of effort duncan cairncrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153725128216947145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-71305288312056952872019-04-06T15:13:58.030-07:002019-04-06T15:13:58.030-07:00Hyperbolic with a tendency to reducto absurdum, mo...<br />Hyperbolic with a tendency to reducto absurdum, most definitely. Insanity, I wish, for such a designation would render me commonplace in this our insane society.<br /><br />The purpose of my self-identification as 'victim' is to illustrate both the ongoing absurdity & future inutility of Leftist Victimology, this societal glorification & investment in what Bertrand Russell termed 'The Superior Virtue of the Oppressed' fallacy.<br /><br />For when all of us claim special, marginalised, minority, outcast, oppressed, victim or underprivileged status, then <b>none of us are</b> which renders us all average, unexceptional and undeserving of empowerment, reparation or even acknowledgement.<br /><br />Omnia mors aequat, aka 'The Fruit of the Tree of Equalism'.<br /><br /><br />Best<br />______<br /><br />Apparently, it is now 'slander' to repeat Larry's own words back at him. In response to my assertion that the Blue State Majority's attempt to eliminate the Electoral College equals the 'Tyranny of the Masses', Blogger Larry Hart questioned whether the Red State minority's utter contempt for the Blue State majority opinion is justifiable, the unstated answer being an unequivocal YES as the oppressed minority is always right, according to his very own leftist victimology doctrine, elsewise Kristallnacht-like actions taken by any dominant majority are forever appropriate & justified, so Blue State majority member Larry_H may now apoligise to me & all concerned for his ill-advised attempt to oppress my Red State minority arse.<br />locumranchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06812045410916208141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-70501264569521847022019-04-06T14:30:18.007-07:002019-04-06T14:30:18.007-07:00I thought that might be the point of rupture betwe...I thought that might be the point of rupture between Dr. Brin and the NotBot. Dr. Brin was attempting to discuss the <i>theoretical</i> underpinnings of <i>Marxist</i> thought, while the 'Bot was discussing the <i>practical</i> aspects of <i>Stalinist</i> government - which is not the same thing. (Stalin still appealed to the memory of Marx, which is why his propaganda pushed the Marxist dialectic, but as far as I can tell Stalin's government bore the same resemblance to actual Marxist theory as the modern Republican Party does to actual conservative theory, that is to say none worth noting.)<br /><br />Jon S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13585842845661267920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-30686244003397766662019-04-06T12:09:01.741-07:002019-04-06T12:09:01.741-07:00David Brin:
As for locum. Poor fellow’s screams a...David Brin:<br /><i><br />As for locum. Poor fellow’s screams are NOT intelligent. They are jibbering insane. <br /></i><br /><br />They're also lies, no longer bordering on slander but actual slander. In the last screed before I stopped reading his posts (I know, again?) had me calling for breaking windows of conservatives or shooting them in the streets or something like that. I've given up even trying to figure out what he <b>thinks</b> he's referring to.<br /><br />And despite the hatred of Republicans that I wear on my sleeve here every day, if there were to be a mass shooting at my place of work, the one person I would make sure was out safely before escaping myself is a conservative--most likely a Republican, though I make a point of not asking, And I would literally give my life to save hers. Human emotion is paradoxical and strange.Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-35725461832813343892019-04-06T11:37:54.639-07:002019-04-06T11:37:54.639-07:00Duncan,
"We are getting close to the Whale O...Duncan,<br /><br />"We are getting close to the Whale Oil situation with fossil fuels."<br /><br />I wish.<br /><br />You are apparently a highly competent engineer, so please go through the exercise of calculating how long it would take to produce enough power with PV to replace the existing fossil fuel consumption budget worldwide while at the same time diverting enough energy to the manufacture and installation of the renewables you have projected as being needed.<br /><br /><br />I have seen a couple of such calculations that show it might just be possible, provided fairly massive changes are made to the current consumption rate. I think it is worth trying, but it is not a sure thing. Professor Ugo Bardi published one such discussion: https://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-sowers-strategey-how-to-speed-up.html<br /><br /><br />Of course, projections are difficult when there are so many variables, the greatest of which is human behavior.<br />Kal Kallevignoreply@blogger.com