tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post1183624521222980695..comments2024-03-29T00:39:31.629-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Political Idea Bomb #1: Rejigger the Immigration DebateDavid Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-71874363463079263882011-10-27T17:01:25.533-07:002011-10-27T17:01:25.533-07:00@Tim - welcome, and why not get a logon - it's...@Tim - welcome, and why not get a logon - it's free.<br /><br />Your attack on the UDHR is irrational. Do have a good day now!rewinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008105385364113371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-56125182814329580432011-10-27T12:43:31.895-07:002011-10-27T12:43:31.895-07:00Rewinn
I was of course satirising the Universal D...Rewinn<br /><br />I was of course satirising the Universal Declaration on Human Rights (UN1948) which outlines that "everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of oneself and one's family, including food, clothing, housing, and medical care." But I do get your point so your Gallactic comedy opera is in the post.<br /><br />its all well and good if human life is more sacred than the resource you use to say feed your own children. I'd fight over that.<br /><br />to Dr Brin (apologies for the Mr, I should know better) I know you do not advocate such a move to do so would be foolish when it is clearly unsupportable-but that I'm afraid will not stop it happening. it is happening here and we have similar measures and similar analysis helping us avoid what seems to many to be inevitable.<br /><br /><br />Think about the US doubling rate of immigration growth over a term of say 120 years, or whatever that function of the rate is, and see if you think that is sustainable then and at what point you or your grand children will think they are reaching a point of no return in terms of standards decline.<br /><br />I won't labour what is after all a simple maths equation any further.<br />but imigration is a factor in that equation.<br /><br />Have a good evening Sir.<br /><br />Best regards<br /><br />Mr.Tim FitzgeraldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-42465461215147465972011-10-27T10:59:55.474-07:002011-10-27T10:59:55.474-07:00I never said that a country should not regulate it...I never said that a country should not regulate its immigration to a rate that it can healthfully absorb.<br /><br /><br />--- onwardDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-60661723920819634662011-10-27T10:27:13.893-07:002011-10-27T10:27:13.893-07:00@Dr Brin - are you actually preaching (as Anon 9:2...@Dr Brin - are you actually preaching (as Anon 9:28 AM says) that <i>"...every human has the right to everything..."</i> ???<br /><br />... because my <a href="http://store.schlockmercenary.com/" rel="nofollow">Schlock Mercenary collection</a> is missing several volumes. Hop to it, my good man, and get some sent over!rewinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008105385364113371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-42036351125191205522011-10-27T09:28:28.193-07:002011-10-27T09:28:28.193-07:00Mr Brin has much to learn, he is an erudite man an...Mr Brin has much to learn, he is an erudite man and I respect his views but we in the UK have our sages too and they have done nothing to save us in our emerging predicament which is immigration related. There is a lesson here and he'll learn it from the UK in a few short years, which will cease to be white and fall to Islam if projections (not some Zany think tsank but our own National Statistic Office) are accurate by around 2080 when the muslim poplution projections outnumber the indiginous British folks.<br />He should review the Daily Telegraph editorial yesterday and the dynamic which appreared in the subsequent blog 543 posts in less than 24 hours)<br /><br />it is a concern to the UK, Germany and France currently but it will spread...<br /><br />See here:<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8851902/Migrants-to-send-Britains-population-soaring-to-largest-in-EU.html<br /><br />Preaching a liberal progressive view is admirable and worthy of our "civilisation" but the US is someway behind the UK and things still appear to be normal there but trust me the rates are exponential albeit slow.<br /><br />our rate is only 0.8% per year but over the 120 years thats roughtly parity-any more and you lost your country in less time, but right now 0.8 seems dandy doesn't it?<br /><br />Now imagine that you are a small overcrowded nation teetering on the edge of an abyss resulting from a huge cultural change and scarcity of resource and overburdened infrastructure due solely to immigratio with a 2nd geneeration immigrant birth rate that outnumbers the existing population by a factor of 10. Then ask will preaching the status quo and accepting it is our moral duty that every human has the right to everything, actually work as a practical human solution to a western and eventually global problem.<br /><br />Unequivacably, mathematically, certainly the answer is "no"<br /><br />There are no easy answers-but without more than just thought, and intellectual debate its coming to you and though you see it now, you will be surprised when it hits.<br /><br />Think bigger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-89041322760469384612011-10-27T07:16:24.934-07:002011-10-27T07:16:24.934-07:00This looks fantastic!This looks fantastic!Men tshirtshttp://www.men-tshirt.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-85672645058729260592011-10-27T05:41:19.351-07:002011-10-27T05:41:19.351-07:00CarlM:
A common problem I see with many of both p...CarlM:<br /><i><br />A common problem I see with many of both progressives and environmentalists: they want every action to be progressive and/or environmentalistic. The idea of overall net benefit gets lost in the shouting.<br /></i><br /><br />Whereas conservatives and libertarians are different...how?LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-18952262633473974822011-10-26T19:42:48.716-07:002011-10-26T19:42:48.716-07:00Thinking of Scott Olsen, Sgt. Shamar Thomas, and O...Thinking of Scott Olsen, Sgt. Shamar Thomas, and OccupyMarines (and other branches) in general, it occurs to me that those '1000 Tim McVeighs' have found a better way to express their frustrations. (Thank goodness!)Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-17660242516389930352011-10-26T19:02:48.530-07:002011-10-26T19:02:48.530-07:00Carl, this is fundamental. You know that I am keen...Carl, this is fundamental. You know that I am keenly aware of horrid maniacs of both left and right. I skewer both.<br /><br />Only one extreme currently owns and operates a major political party, a media empire watched religiously by 1/3 of Americans, and has strong prospects to return to absolute rule over the nation - a rule which led to a perfect record of disaster.<br /><br />They other bunch of extremist flakes make some noise in some NGOs and a couple of hundred university soft-studies departments, control nothing, have zero prospects of power, and are heeded only by right wingers who love them! Because they are great boogeymen.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15362092096347799522011-10-26T17:23:04.369-07:002011-10-26T17:23:04.369-07:00Not a straw man. Read Grist or many of the other d...Not a straw man. Read Grist or many of the other deep environmental publications. They can make Glenn Beck look sane, polite, and well informed.<br /><br />Yes, there are reasonable voices in the environmental movement, but the extremists are loud and numerous.<br /><br />A common problem I see with many of both progressives and environmentalists: they want <i>every</i> action to be progressive and/or environmentalistic. The idea of overall net benefit gets lost in the shouting. So yes, they promote things we ought to be doing anyway, AND things which make sense only if the Antarctic is about to dump 20% of its ice in 12 years if we don't cut emissions by 70% by then.<br /><br />So yes, naysayers can easily pick out ludicrous proposals. It is a trivial procedure. Pick three proposals at random, and the odds are good you have a least one excellent "straw man" to attack.Carl M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01278814334603631598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-41228220143844164232011-10-26T16:26:53.697-07:002011-10-26T16:26:53.697-07:00Some new info on the $40 billion in cash sent to I...Some new info on the $40 billion in cash sent to Iraq and the last CPA official to oversea the money (a naturalized American born in Saudi Arabia):<br /><br />http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/helicopter-geithners-ny-fed-40-billion-iraq-money-drop.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-85500982526510937402011-10-26T16:03:21.176-07:002011-10-26T16:03:21.176-07:00The effects of methylated DNA (epigenetics) are to...The effects of methylated DNA (epigenetics) are touched on in the <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/tv/life/default.htm" rel="nofollow">'Life at 1, 3, 5, (..7)'</a> series. (wrt obesity: seems that poor starving grandparents can end up with obese grandchildren. A rather skewed form of that biblical quote about sins of the fathers)<br /><br />Back to 'twitter' trends. It doesn't really make sense for censorship to be occurring (if so, the #occupychicago tag conversation wouldn't be taking place) What appears to be happening is that tags that come out of the blue are favoured over spike heights. Thus #STANDWITHOAKLAND (and 'Oakland PD') trends at 0.02%, even though #OccupyOakland (0.75%) does not because of earlier traffic.<br /><br />Personally, I think the algorithm's broken.Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-47326294563113827242011-10-26T15:52:23.113-07:002011-10-26T15:52:23.113-07:00http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=12223499935...http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1222349993580&set=a.1222347313513.2031528.1073861966&type=1&ref=nf<br /><br />http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?<br />fbid=1222349993580&set=a.<br />1222347313513.2031528.1073861966<br />&type=1&ref=nfDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-79577681084283947772011-10-26T15:43:08.858-07:002011-10-26T15:43:08.858-07:00See this cartoon that distills a point I'd bee...See this cartoon that distills a point I'd been making for years. Everything we must do re Climate Change are things we ought to do anyway (TWODA). "Ruin the economy?" Who wants that! A strawman. Efficiency is next to godliness. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1222349993580&set=a.1222347313513.2031528.1073861966&type=1&ref=nfDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83382289082580572972011-10-26T13:09:41.740-07:002011-10-26T13:09:41.740-07:00Stefan, amazing article.
Now let’s be careful. T...Stefan, amazing article.<br /><br />Now let’s be careful. This is not Lamarckianism (inheriting of acquired traits by the next generation). Though another science report seems to imply that result in methylization studies, as well! <br /><br />No what this shows is that the effects of childhood conditions can last for life, beyond mere malnutrition stunting of the brain or general health or psychological damage caused by poverty. Those latter effects should be enough to convince anybody that society must invest in the children of the poor, even if adults are consigned to libertarian perdiction, for their foolish choices. <br /><br />As I've shown, the basic thrust of Adam Smith and even Hayek - maximizing the number of skilled competitors - demands this.<br /><br />But the new result reinforces the lesson. I consider myself to be a style of libertarian. But anyone who rejects socialist intervention to help poverty-wracked children is not only evil but also now clearly shown to be batshit crazy. And wrong.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-78634772223883763032011-10-26T12:40:30.833-07:002011-10-26T12:40:30.833-07:00Sorry...I know I shouldn't let this get to me,...Sorry...I know I shouldn't let this get to me, but Pat Buchannan has a recent column in which he complains that (paraphrasing) liberals have so ruined the country since the 1960s that conservatives may be forgiven for giving up on America.<br /><br />http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2011/10/24/what-is-it-we-wish-to-conserve/<br /><br />http://<br />www.theamericanconservative.com/<br />blog/2011/10/24/<br />what-is-it-we-wish-to-conserve/<br /><i><br />...<br />The social, political and moral revolutions of the 1960s have changed America irretrievably. And they have put down roots and converted a vast slice of the nation.<br /><br />In order to love one’s country, said Edmund Burke, one’s country ought to be lovely. Is it still? Reid Buckley, brother of Bill, replies, “I am obliged to make a public declaration that I cannot love my country. … We are Vile.”<br /><br />And so what is the conservative’s role in an America many believe has not only lost its way but seems to be losing its mind?<br /><br />What is it now that conservatives must conserve?<br /></i><br /><br />The reader comments at the bottom are full of excuses why these good conservative readers can no longer love their country as it is. They sound a lot like the guy on the Ayn Randist site declaring himself to be "on strike!" from creating new jobs until Obama's war on small business is called off. They also sound like Jerry Falwell blaming 9/11 on gays and feminists.<br /><br />So much as I sound like a broken record...why is it that LIBERALS are evil if we criticize directions our country goes in that we believe to be wrong and/or immoral? Why are WE supposed to "Love it or leave it" and "Go back to Russia" and "not criticize a sitting president during wartime"? Why is it that those same conservatives who score points by impugning OUR patriotism free to pick and choose the things THEY don't like about America.<br /><br />Why is it somehow patriotic to complain that America is too far to the left, but beyond the pale to comoplain about America being too far to the right?LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1961748695624301832011-10-26T11:56:46.541-07:002011-10-26T11:56:46.541-07:00Stefan Jones:
Your DNA may carry a ‘memory’ of yo...Stefan Jones:<br /><i><br />Your DNA may carry a ‘memory’ of your living conditions in childhood<br /><br />"Family living conditions in childhood are associated with significant effects in DNA that persist well into middle age, according to new research by Canadian and British scientists.<br /></i><br /><br />I think I first heard about this sort of thing on Thom Hartmann's radio show--the notion that even before birth, the fetus and the mother exchange some sort of biological communication which informs the fetus whether he's about to be born into a threatening world or a beneficent one.<br /><br />Weird to think that the old cliche of "His mother was scared by a fill-in-the-blank" to explain an irrational fear might have some truth behind it. :)<br /><br />It also makes me glad that I've strived as much as I have to shield my daughter from thinking of life as threatening, as much as I secretly hold that opinion myself. I used to feel guilty for "lying" to her, but now I see it more as an attempt at making her a better person than I am.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-14860766032443643402011-10-26T11:21:05.564-07:002011-10-26T11:21:05.564-07:00Science is making it increasingly hard for the Soc...Science is making it increasingly hard for the Social Darwinist clade of conservatism to condemn populations as inferior and beyond help:<br /><br /><a href="http://scienceblog.com/48584/your-dna-may-carry-a-%E2%80%98memory%E2%80%99-of-your-living-conditions-in-childhood/" rel="nofollow">Your DNA may carry a ‘memory’ of your living conditions in childhood</a><br /><br /><i>"Family living conditions in childhood are associated with significant effects in DNA that persist well into middle age, according to new research by Canadian and British scientists.<br /><br />The team, based at McGill University in Montreal, University of British Columbia in Vancouver and the UCL Institute of Child Health in London looked for gene methylation associated with social and economic factors in early life. They found clear differences in gene methylation between those brought up in families with very high and very low standards of living. More than twice as many methylation differences were associated with the combined effect of the wealth, housing conditions and occupation of parents (that is, early upbringing) than were associated with the current socio-economic circumstances in adulthood. (1252 differences as opposed to 545).<br /><br />The findings, published online today in the International Journal of Epidemiology, could provide major evidence as to why the health disadvantages known to be associated with low socio-economic position can remain for life, despite later improvement in living conditions. The study set out to explore the way early life conditions might become ‘biologically-embedded’ and so continue to influence health, for better or worse, throughout life. The scientists decided to look at DNA methylation, a so-called epigenetic modification that is linked to enduring changes in gene activity and hence potential health risks. (Broadly, methylation of a gene at a significant point in the DNA reduces the activity of the gene.)"</i><br /><br />Can you imagine Conservatives spending as much energy on making life better for poor children as they did protecting protecting embryos?<br /><br />Fat chance.Stefan Joneshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/stefan_e_jones/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-38739261534019280452011-10-26T10:04:06.051-07:002011-10-26T10:04:06.051-07:00David Brin said:
But the Dakotas should simply be ...<i><b>David Brin said:</b><br />But the Dakotas should simply be given to the First Nations as reparations. Wouldn't that solve two problems at once? See EXISTENCE.</i><br /><br />Assuming that all tribes got to keep their current reservations in addition to the Dakotas, but that the 'state' government of the Dakotas switched to representation from all tribes . . . <br /><br />I could see that working.sociotardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697154298087412934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-50752412218219663552011-10-26T09:17:20.739-07:002011-10-26T09:17:20.739-07:00Heh...that should have been FOUR hundredth's a...Heh...that should have been FOUR hundredth's anniversary.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-70181681165805383812011-10-26T09:15:46.616-07:002011-10-26T09:15:46.616-07:00Katherine Vanden Heuvel had an article in the Wash...Katherine Vanden Heuvel had an article in the Washington Post about the GOP wanting not only to repeal the 20th century, but the 19th and 18th as well. In there, she had this throwaway line:<br /><i><br />It seems worth reminding the candidates that these debates have been settled, many for decades, some for centuries and that the year is 2011, not 1611. <br /></i><br />...which made me wonder, has ANY attention been given to the 500th anniversary of the King James Bible?LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15998902250581515412011-10-26T06:34:27.283-07:002011-10-26T06:34:27.283-07:00Paul451:
The difference, though, is that Perry tw...Paul451:<br /><i><br />The difference, though, is that Perry twisted it into a "states good, Fed bad" theme. It wasn't the Southern states who violated the rights of the North, it was "The Federal Government". And had the Federal government stayed out of the issue, it would have somehow been sorted out at the state level.<br /></i><br /><br />Wow! That line of argument can blame any right-wing actions ("Citizens United") on the power of the federal government, which the right-wing claims to oppose. It's like they're campaigning on "Vote for us, so we'll limit the federal government from doing all the stuff that WE'RE doing now."<br /><br />The sad thing is that it seems to work as a campaign strategy.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-25422335400680809482011-10-26T06:31:56.616-07:002011-10-26T06:31:56.616-07:00Paul451:
Just had a quick look at 9-9-9.
He'...Paul451:<br /><i><br />Just had a quick look at 9-9-9. <br />He's basically got a double tax on sales to replace business tax, and a double tax on wages to replace payroll tax. Oh, but it "ends the double tax on dividends", so proclaims Cain's website... because double-taxing... is bad?<br /></i><br /><br />Well, taxing the "job creators" is bad. But I think that argument is finally fizzling. As I and others on this thread have mentioned, there's a kind of sea-change going on where people are waking up to the fact that there's a difference between "hating and envying the winners" and "calling them out for cheating", and that OWS etc are about the latter, not the former.<br /><br /><i><br />I also noted he's already started modifying it to allow exemptions. ("909"). That's the problem with "flat" taxes, they never stay flat for long.<br /></i><br /><br />Just this very morning, a conservative listener called into Bill Press's show and said he'd be in favor of Perry's 20% flat tax because he'd know exactly how much money he'd owe and be able to plan his life accordingly, whereas the current system is too complex and uncertain. He seemed to have no idea that the reason the current system is complex and uncertain is NOT because of multiple tax rates (a calculator or a tax table solves that "problem"), but because of deductions and exemptions, most of which are STILL a part of Perry's tax plan.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-72015917495141432332011-10-26T05:31:34.253-07:002011-10-26T05:31:34.253-07:00Tim Morgan,
"I'll bite, what did Perry sa...Tim Morgan,<br /><i>"I'll bite, what did Perry say about 1851?"</i><br /><br />Google "perry civil war".<br /><br />Essentially, he said it was violation of Northern sovereignty which was the real cause of the civil war, not violation of The South, nor slavery itself. David has riffed on a similar theme.<br /><br />The difference, though, is that Perry twisted it into a "states good, Fed bad" theme. It wasn't the Southern states who violated the rights of the North, it was "The Federal Government". And had the Federal government stayed out of the issue, it would have somehow been sorted out at the state level.<br /><br />(<i>"Unwilling to give up a way of life inexcusably based on an abominable practice, southern states persuaded Congress — the federal govenrment — to pass the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which </i>compelled<i> citizens of northern states to act against their conscience and help return escaped former slaves to bondage. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court got involved, striking down states' personal liberty laws and ruling in </i>Dred Scott v. Sanford<i> that federal territories could not be free and that free states were not entitled to offer the rights of citizenship to former slaves. Thus, while the southern states seceded in the name of "states' rights," in many ways it was the northern states whose sovereignty was violated in the run-up to the Civil War" ... "we can never know what would have happened in the absence of federal involvement" </i>)<br /><br />I think David likes it (beyond "Hey, I wrote that!"), because it uses one Republican shibboleth (State's rights) to gently challenge another (Civil War was The War Of Northern Aggression.)<br /><br />Critic deride Perry for ignoring slavery, but I think the <i>"Unwilling to give up a way of life inexcusably based on an abominable practice"</i> seems clear enough. Slavery as an addiction.<br /><br />David,<br />Saw a comment in this article that I thought you might find interesting:<br /><br /><a href="http://ussc.edu.au/blogs/Rick-Perrys-War-of-Southern-Aggression" rel="nofollow">http://ussc.edu.au/blogs/Rick-Perrys-War-of-Southern-Aggression</a><br /><br /><i>"This is a mistake too often made when people remember the civil war. It is formulated as a conflict between two sides — the slaveholding South and the abolitionist North — leading to the strange notion of a slaveholding country with no actual slaves. It's better to see the battle as being between <b>at least three parties: The South, who wanted to maintain slavery, the North, who wanted to preserve the Union [and] black people who, for centuries, had wanted to be free.</b>"</i><br /><br />(deranc: Warcry of the Dred Scott.)Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-81159551909930869582011-10-26T04:17:18.246-07:002011-10-26T04:17:18.246-07:00Tony,
Re: Your take on spatial sorting.
Damn. I h...Tony,<br />Re: Your take on spatial sorting.<br /><br />Damn. I have this whole universally applicable solution to Fermi's Paradox based on Spatial Sorting.<br /><br />(Expansionist colonies have more colonies, rinse&repeat until the wave reaches the edge of the galaxy, turns on itself and burns out.)<br /><br />But if the slower stable colonisers can expand into territory conquered by the less "fit" hyper-expansionists, my beautiful theory she is rooned. <sob><br /><br />Re: Aussie immigration hysteria.<br />[Everyone else: The amount of illegal immigration Australia gets is tiny compared to most countries. So, obviously, the level of media hysteria about it is higher.]<br /><br />I had an plan, back in the '80s, to allow unlimited so-called "economic refuges" via a 5 year Work-To-Live scheme. Anyone who didn't qualify for existing legal migration/refuge-status could still earn residency if they were willing to sign up to a 5 year work program.<br /><br />They work for the government on labour intensive infrastructure projects (from roads/rail to weeding national parks). Housing and meals are provided (built by, cooked by, guess who), along with mandatory language and civics classes. The program would be designed to have a 30% drop out rate in the first two year, 15% in the remaining three.<br /><br />Each year, the workers are increasingly mainstreamed into society, to give them a clear sense of progress and seniority, and to avoid institutionalisation. After 5 years, they have full permanent residency (even citizenship if they pick that "stream".)<br /><br />Five years is a long time to be, effectively, an indentured servant. But 1 or 2 years might still earn a "Meh" from the Haters. 5 years is... worthy. "Mate, you'd have gotten less time for [crime]!"Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.com