tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post116051472755545938..comments2024-03-29T00:39:31.629-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: ArchiTechs: terrific!... and other newsDavid Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1162394335155566912006-11-01T07:18:00.000-08:002006-11-01T07:18:00.000-08:00When was the piece filmed? Has there been any evid...When was the piece filmed? Has there been any evidence of this getting attention from the national association that VonEssen was talking about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160787926607234232006-10-13T18:05:00.000-07:002006-10-13T18:05:00.000-07:00I know virtually nothing about blogs from the auth...I know virtually nothing about blogs from the authorial side, so this may be a stupid question. Is there any way you, our esteemed host, can turn on a Blotspot feature which gives month-by-month archives? I know I've seen other Blogspot sites with such links in the sidebar, and they would make it a whole lot easier to scan the old stuff for <I>Contrary Brin's Greatest Hits.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160761469198908482006-10-13T10:44:00.000-07:002006-10-13T10:44:00.000-07:00I enjoyed the show quite a lot myself. Most of my...I enjoyed the show quite a lot myself. Most of my comments have already been made, so I'll just add that I loved the fact that Brin 2's head was on the design table later in the show... :PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160761001291457772006-10-13T10:36:00.000-07:002006-10-13T10:36:00.000-07:00The humvee episode was the 1st one filmed but it h...The humvee episode was the 1st one filmed but it has never aired. It will presumably be aired down the road. Maybe after we film a few more... that is, if they greenlight to series.<BR/><BR/>Again, comments to Feedback@aetv.com <BR/><BR/>People are still welcome to gather their own lists of "best of" my past blog entries.<BR/><BR/>---- veering to politics---<BR/><BR/>If you live in a "contested" electoral district, or next to one... (and do not neglect state assembly races! that's is where the nation's real power lies!) one thing you could do is volunteer as a poll watcher, keeping an eye open for Rovean dirty tricks.<BR/><BR/>In any event, such (rare) districts are where the nation's hope now focuses. If you're a Democrat, consider contacting the local candidate to do phone work, or get a sign. If a disgusted independent or a truly patriotic Republican (like me), at least talk to others like yourself.<BR/><BR/>I know there are only a few of you down here at the comments level. That's why most of my efforts on-blog go into creating poitentially "viral" lumps of grenade-like prose... packets that can be copied and hurled (coughed?) onward. Like (apparently) my letter to Newt.org.<BR/><BR/>But I don't fool myself. I cannot counter Diebold. That's up to a nation - a Union - that wants its renaissance back.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160719293673350362006-10-12T23:01:00.000-07:002006-10-12T23:01:00.000-07:00I missed the hummer pilot. Any chance it will be r...I missed the hummer pilot. Any chance it will be reaired?Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160718352213137972006-10-12T22:45:00.000-07:002006-10-12T22:45:00.000-07:00Lawn CHair Larry, yeah!Here's where to send commen...Lawn CHair Larry, yeah!<BR/><BR/><B>Here's where to send comments about the show: Send comments to Feedback@aetv.com <BR/><BR/>But above all, jot a note to start around October 29 nagging folks to catch the prime time premiere on November 1st!<BR/><BR/>Then maybe... the humvee episode.</B><BR/><BR/>I honestly don't know if they'll keep us six exactly. Three of us are left from the 7 who took part in the hummer pilot. Tim is essential as BOTH an idea guy and graphic envisioneer. Dave Stollery is quiet but the best designer on our design A Team. Dunno! But twer a great bunch.<BR/><BR/>I do think we need a woman. Hrm<BR/><BR/>Keep pondering ideas for things we ought to crisis design. I like "habitats for refugees."David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160703559603615292006-10-12T18:39:00.000-07:002006-10-12T18:39:00.000-07:00I suspect the 'ArchiTech' format was based on mana...I suspect the 'ArchiTech' format was based on management course team games, where the aim is not so much about solving a problem but to see how people react under stress (the debrief on these exercises can be as much fun as the game itself!).<BR/><BR/>'Our ABC' might pick it up, one day.<BR/><BR/><I>Me? I'd keep a lawn chair, four deflated weather balloons and a canister of helium. Depart in comfy style!</I><BR/><BR/>...drifting off into the air lanes (didn't some guy do that a few years ago? Ah yes! <A HREF="http://www.darwinawards.com/stupid/stupid1998-11.html" REL="nofollow">'Lawn Chair Larry'</A>!)<BR/><BR/>Roald Dahl advocated seagulls!<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>A couple of items relevant to reciprocal accountability:<BR/><BR/>- <A HREF="http://www.openthefuture.com/2006/10/i_want_my_google_data_privacy.html" REL="nofollow">I Want My Google Data Privacy</A> sez Jamais, commenting on an interesting idea from <A HREF="http://www.fredshouse.net/2006/10/im_a_bit_worried_about_this_go.html" REL="nofollow">Fred's House</A>.<BR/><BR/>- <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6044310.stm" REL="nofollow">Air passengers 'could be tagged'</A> (can we tag back?) This article is talking about the use of rfids at airports, but also makes mention of a portable 'compton' camera able to detect radiation sources. It brought to mind one of David's short stories about a fully connected life in downtown LA, skipping the purple tagged street litter someone had marked as toxic.Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160702666078165632006-10-12T18:24:00.000-07:002006-10-12T18:24:00.000-07:00I have to ask, does getting picked up for more sho...I have to ask, does getting picked up for more shows mean that you six, specifically, will be the six archi-techs to do whatever projects come for the next eps? Kind of like the MythBusters team? <BR/><BR/>Also, if I had a crit to offer, I'd actually be more interested in less of a deadline and more of the showcasing of neat ideas. If you'd had *four* days to come up with stuff, and *two* of them could have been dynamic field test or tours of What's Cool...<BR/><BR/>Also, I'd hope for a segment following the ideas themselves around, after they're turned in; someone to follow what's-his-name the fire chief guy as he goes into the International Firefighters meetings and proposes them himself.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, fun show. I hope to see more.Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160698111728300192006-10-12T17:08:00.000-07:002006-10-12T17:08:00.000-07:00I'll try to watch my taped copy tonight.The prime-...I'll try to watch my taped copy tonight.<BR/><BR/>The prime-time trial is good news. I will post plugs in a few more places.<BR/><BR/>The fact that there's rocket technology involved in one of the solutions means I can post about it on rocketry-geek forums.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160697053279491702006-10-12T16:50:00.000-07:002006-10-12T16:50:00.000-07:00Hey, in part thanks to you folks, we've been appro...Hey, in part thanks to you folks, we've been approved to go to the next step... a test showing on prime time!<BR/><BR/>SPECIAL ADDED PRIME TIME PREMIERE: Wednesday, November 01 at 08:00 PM<BR/><BR/>ADDITIONAL TIMES: Saturday, October 14 at 11:00 AM & Thursday, November 02 at 12:00 AM<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the nice messages. Indeed, comments sent to the History Channel are welcome. (I am trying to find out the best email address.)<BR/><BR/>Don't know that I was "the star"... but seeming a bit of a leader helped make up for also being the (good-natred I hope!) butt of most jokes.<BR/><BR/>Yeah the rocket-balloon was silly, but it gave us something busy and dynamic to be seen doing. Gotta get some action! Yes, some high rise folks actually keep base jumping chutes by their desks! Kwazy! Me? I'd keep a lawn chair, four deflated weather balloons and a canister of helium. Depart in comfy style!<BR/><BR/>The screen in our presentation was blank at the time! But Tim did some way cool graphics on the spot.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160692368536553912006-10-12T15:32:00.000-07:002006-10-12T15:32:00.000-07:00You'd rocket-assist so that the chute can be small...You'd rocket-assist so that the chute can be smaller than otherwise. <BR/><BR/>I think the elevator idea was the best building re-engineering idea, but the carnival ride atop the skyscraper gets points for being the most creative, and being a tourist's revenue source as well as a rescue path! :-)<BR/><BR/>And that building-climber robot really ought to be named the "Adam West"...<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>Waiting for it...<BR/><BR/>:-)Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160686271076060962006-10-12T13:51:00.000-07:002006-10-12T13:51:00.000-07:00Gotta love that "Brin2"! :-)I'm not sure why Arch...Gotta love that "Brin2"! :-)<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why ArchiTechs was on the the History Channel instead of TLC, but I enjoyed the show and the solutions you guys developed. In particular, I really like the elevator idea; it was the only one that seemed obvious yet had never occurred to me. Anytime you see a design and find your self going "well, duh, of course that is how you should do it" you know it is a good design.<BR/><BR/>The dirigible was my second favorite idea and more what I expected from the show: more high tech sounding yet kinda obvious. It could be combined easily with the wall climber, all buildings would need is some standard connection point on the roof and let the dirigible bring the wire and, potentially, climber.<BR/><BR/>The balloon/rocket thing seemed silly to me. Why on Earth would you ever use a rocket over a parachute? (On the thin atmosphere of Mars, sure, but why on Earth?) Some bouncy balloon with a parachute might work, though it sounds expensive and too hard to use for a panicked person without training.<BR/><BR/>I'm curious if we ever saw the graphics that guy on the show made, or were the ones presented all perfected in post-production?Xactiphynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254344563346437079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160685991776937792006-10-12T13:46:00.000-07:002006-10-12T13:46:00.000-07:00Ameri-Techs:Just saw the show. I'd love to have th...Ameri-Techs:<BR/><BR/>Just saw the show. I'd love to have that team!<BR/><BR/>No disrespect to your ideas, but your team should have consulted old electronics guru Don Lancaster. Electronics and technology expert going way back, well grounded in science (His "Energy Fundamentals" at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf should be required reading for anybody interested in alternative energy.), AND a volunteer firefighter with experience!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160685089134136832006-10-12T13:31:00.000-07:002006-10-12T13:31:00.000-07:00ArchiTechs was quite entertaining. Good quality T...ArchiTechs was quite entertaining. Good quality TV is hard to find, and I really enjoyed the show. Hearing that David thinks outside the box was one thing, and then to find out that the box wasn't even on the planet sealed it for me.<BR/><BR/>I also think that the flying-fox zip-line guy wire idea has legs. If they hadn't got hung up on the "fun-fair park" source ot might have been accepted too.<BR/><BR/>cheers,<BR/>Robert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160677422707646622006-10-12T11:23:00.000-07:002006-10-12T11:23:00.000-07:00Re: polar bearsI knew something was fishy about 15...Re: polar bears<BR/><BR/>I knew something was fishy about 15 years ago when I first heard about communications going down in Alaska when telephone poles fell over because the permafrost had melted, freeing the base of the poles. I suppose Alaskans all have cell phones now (or ham or CB radio), but what happens when the cell phone towers (or platforms for ham antennas) collapse in newly generated mud as the ground thaws further?<BR/><BR/>Re: plane crash<BR/><BR/>This story will have more "legs" than it deserves because (1) it reminds people of 9/11 and (2) a Yankees pitcher was involved. We can expect lots of sports memorials on this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160676637279046872006-10-12T11:10:00.000-07:002006-10-12T11:10:00.000-07:00Yup. Got to agree. Now that I've seen it, I think ...Yup. Got to agree. Now that I've seen it, I think it's on par with the Bill Nye science shows. That is, a series of such shows would be well worth showing to high school students on engineering or technology tracks.<BR/><BR/>I've got my DVR programmed to record the next ones, if they're produced. Who at the History Channel, and which address, could get a letter offering that sort of info?Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160675285597948462006-10-12T10:48:00.000-07:002006-10-12T10:48:00.000-07:00The wife and I enjoyed it immensely. It reminded ...The wife and I enjoyed it immensely. It reminded us of Discovery's Mythbusters, but with inventors instead of debunkers.<BR/><BR/>We cracked up when Brin2's rocket-powered soft-lander went all wonky and his head exited stage left. It looked pretty good for the first twenty percent of the drop, until that piece broke and the rocket started flying off in every direction.<BR/><BR/>You lent a quirky combination of charm, humor and science the show would otherwise have lacked. Your creativity was astounding. I'm curious, were you aware you would turn out to be the star prior to seeing the final cut? <BR/><BR/>We'd watch it regularly if it went to series. Not blowing smoke at all. It's the kind of stuff we watch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160664134724493712006-10-12T07:42:00.000-07:002006-10-12T07:42:00.000-07:00Chill, Rob. Most people have the sense to see the ...<I>Chill, Rob. Most people have the sense to see the difference. </I><BR/><BR/>Most people get their information about aviation safety from a disasterously irresponsible news media, and even more irresponsible entertainment industry. For example, for over 50 years my own father thought every airport in the country had a control tower. <BR/><BR/>Even so, the Congresscritter (Maloney) was *correct* that airplanes shouldn't be jaunting up and down the East River, unless under traffic control. What she missed is that it's required already!<BR/><BR/>So, sorry, no, not gonna chill. Not when influential leaders are calling for more restriction over what amounts to a Volkswagen full of gas crashing into a building. Once. <BR/><BR/>I have yet to watch ArchiTechs, but it is on the list today!Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160641734036713112006-10-12T01:28:00.000-07:002006-10-12T01:28:00.000-07:00Chill, Rob. Most people have the sense to see the...Chill, Rob. Most people have the sense to see the difference. <BR/><BR/>What I am hoping is that we see (as I learned filming Architechs) just how tough New Yorkers are! In some ways, they are among the best Americans, I think. Certainly they have earned their chops.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, did any of you see the show? Do I take ribbing well? I got to!<BR/><BR/>Now if it goes to series....David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160632466696259012006-10-11T22:54:00.000-07:002006-10-11T22:54:00.000-07:00Let me tell you a little about that plane crash in...Let me tell you a little about that plane crash in New York.<BR/><BR/>First, it was *clear* from the footage, even early on, that what you had was a single-engine four seater, or something similarly sized, which had impacted the building after a stall.<BR/><BR/>Never *ever* ascribe an air incident or accident to malice before all the facts are in, no matter what they're shouting at you. <BR/><BR/>And what did it turn out to be? Yeah: A Cirrus SR-20, in the hands of a private pilot, who lost his airspeed. And crashed into a building, dumping his wingtanks into the broken windows.<BR/><BR/>Four windows. A fire out of four windows. With a death toll of precisely two people. The ones in the plane. <BR/><BR/>This is one of those cases where even if the airplane had impacted that building at full cruise, its kinetic energy is so miniscule that there would have been damage to maybe eight windows. <BR/><BR/>I'm actually more concerned that you panicked than that an airplane crashed. It's the third building impact in almost five years in that area, with maybe three more reported nationwide. Including the terrorist attacks. <BR/><BR/>How many people died the previous *week*, due to negligence or drunkenness or whatever, on the streets of NYC in car accidents? <BR/><BR/>And who did we find shouting "BAN THE PLANES THEY'RE TOO UNSAFE!"<BR/><BR/>That's right, folks: The Democrats. Oh, and Fox News. Without at all noticing in their tone that the emergency plans worked, for this crash, perfectly. <BR/><BR/>Or are you concerned that somehow the Bushies will try and use this event to disappear 200 more people?Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160624336128712272006-10-11T20:38:00.000-07:002006-10-11T20:38:00.000-07:00A belated Pee-e-eep from a henchman!Aide to testif...A belated Pee-e-eep from a henchman!<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6040076.stm" REL="nofollow">Aide to testify in US e-mail row</A><BR/><BR/><I>'A top aide ... is to testify before the House of Representatives ethics committee...<BR/><BR/>...Kirk Fordham is expected to say that Republican leaders knew about Mr Foley's activity at least three years ago, but took no action.'</I><BR/><BR/>Where are you now, Mr. Starr?<BR/><BR/>Between this and Iraq, any 'surprises' will need to be a good deal more rivetting than a wayward airplane. (I do not find that a comforting thought!)Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160617531314285782006-10-11T18:45:00.000-07:002006-10-11T18:45:00.000-07:00Dang Blake... that war good writing! I am most ve...Dang Blake... that war good writing! I am most very pleased to have hosted it...<BR/><BR/>...and several others of y'all have likewise doen us proud on this thread. Good stuff!<BR/><BR/>Oh, I have no doubt that many elements for disputation arenas are now being engendered. And yet, I do yearn someday for some well-heeled group to grok my disputation arenas paper fully and fund the real deal. One in which the call to ritual combat between two sides is primly ritualized and meticulously relentless, allowing the web to actually start achieving its potential as an error-correction system, and not simply a generator of fusion-powered opinion.<BR/><BR/>So far, nobody has chimed in with a set of "best-of" urls for favorite postings of mine... or favorite comment-discussions. I lean friendly toward a group of volunteers slaving on collating and organizing such a collection... and copyright isn't likely to be a problem.<BR/><BR/>Rob, remind me re religion when politics settles down. Too worried right now. I thought for sure that plane crash in New York...David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160613900343143822006-10-11T17:45:00.000-07:002006-10-11T17:45:00.000-07:00Those of you interested in the way the blogosphere...Those of you interested in the way the blogosphere functions as a disputation arena ("We Can Fact-Check Yo' Ass!") may be interested in the following sordid tale of intrigue and skullduggery.<BR/><BR/>Back in September, <I>New Scientist</I> magazine published an article on the "EmDrive", a machine purportedly able to propel itself using microwaves bouncing inside a box. Those of us who remember the Dean drive and umpty-ump other wonder machines have no trouble recognizing this as the same old stuff: like all the wonder-powered spacedrives before it, it can only putter forward by violating the conservation of momentum. <I>New Scientist</I>'s reportage provoked science-fiction writer Greg Egan to write <A HREF="http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2006/09/a_plea_to_save_new_scientist.html" REL="nofollow">an open letter</A> saying he was "gobsmacked by the level of scientific illiteracy" the magazine showed.<BR/><BR/>So it goes, as they say on Tralfamadore. Claims of exotic spacedrives fuelled by violations of fundamental physics are, sadly but understandably, about twopence a dozen. The aspect of the affair which Egan found truly disturbing -- indeed, reprehensible -- was the way <I>New Scientist</I> glibly provided an news piece full of pseudoscientific gibberish purely to justify how the EmDrive might work. (Their argument really pushed the limits of the absurd, too: Einstein's relativity has momentum conservation built into its mathematical structure, so you can't use relativity jargon like "reference frames" to sidestep the conservation law.)<BR/><BR/>Egan posted his letter to the moderated Usenet group sci.physics.research, and the physicist John Baez put a copy on the blog he co-hosts, <I>The n-Category Café.</I> This spurred enough people to write <I>New Scientist</I> that the magazine <A HREF="http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2006/10/new_scientist_reacts.html" REL="nofollow">opened a blog thread</A> to discuss the issue, opening with a self-exusing note from the editor. (Said note, as far as I can tell, satisfied nobody.)<BR/><BR/>Discussion also continued simultaneously at the <I>Café,</I> eventually including Baez, Egan, the science writer <A HREF="http://www.twistedphysics.typepad.com/" REL="nofollow">Jennifer Ouellette</A> and others. During this merry back-and-forth and round-about, lots of physics people spoke their minds, but naturally physics is only part of what <I>New Scientist</I> covers. In order to sample other viewpoints, I posted links to the relevant pages on a <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/10/carnivalia_and_an_open_thread_28.php" REL="nofollow"><I>Pharyngula</I> open thread</A>. A commentor there, "Lab Cat", pointed out an article <I>New Scientist</I> ran last April about "Water: the quantum elixir".<BR/><BR/>So, off I trundled to <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/10/your_friday_dose_of_woo_h2ooooooommmm.php" REL="nofollow"><I>Respectful Insolence</I></A>, where this topic had just come up as "Your Friday Dose of Woo" (probably putting the idea in Lab Cat's mind). Then back to <I>The n-Category Café</I> to talk about it over virtual hot chocolate, and a little later Prof. Baez cross-posts <A HREF="http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2006/10/new_scientist_reacts.html#c005128" REL="nofollow">a message</A> to the <I>Café</I> and to the <I>New Scientist</I> blog.<BR/><BR/>(As he very justly points out, <I>New Scientist</I> pulled a fast one when they titled their pet thread "Emdrive on Trial" and not "<I>New Scientist</I> on Trial", which is what really concerned the first people to speak up. Again, wonky spacedrives are too common to count; it's the magazine's editorial policy we care about.)<BR/><BR/>Now, all this was fun, and I sure idled away productive life-time hopping from one blog to another. (I bet the Internet could even subtitute for real friends! Has anyone ever tried that out, and if so, how did it work?) It does strike me as inefficient: all these people in different places obviously cared enough to write about it, but without my going all evangelical, would the biology fans at <I>Pharyngula</I> have heard the physicists' complaints at <I>The n-Category Café</I>?<BR/><BR/>Towards the end, the <I>Café</I> discussion started getting less than civil, so commenting on that thread was turned off and a few comments were deleted. (The thing which replaces blogs will have to solve this problem, or rather make it easier for people to implement whichever workable solution they prefer! Trolls are probably an inescapable product of human psychopathology, but we could sure do a better job of handling them than we do right now.) As the discussion was winding up, Prof. Baez said:<BR/><BR/><I>I also think we're seeing the emergence of a science blogosphere somewhat analogous to the political blogosphere, which among other things can catch some of the mistakes of the "mainstream media".</I><BR/><BR/><I>(Among other things - alas, including a bunch of really silly, annoying things.)</I><BR/><BR/>Now, <B>why has it taken so long for a scientist to say this?</B><BR/><BR/>One lesson of <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_Affair" REL="nofollow">the Bogdanov Affair</A> which nobody seemed to learn was that our peer-review system is shoddy and imperfect, but the disputation arenas provided by the Internet can take up some of the slack. The deduction is almost trivial: if the Net hadn't caught the papers in question, the fraud would have gone undetected. All the brouhaha which erupted after the story hit Usenet happened because the system worked, but too late -- or rather, the "wrong" part of the system did the necessary job.<BR/><BR/>(It's sort of neat: when one studies the Bogdanov Affair, one can follow the progress of debate from Usenet to blogs, web forums and eventually the Wikipedia. What can I say -- the people involved keep up with the times!)<BR/><BR/>During that sorry incident, it was the electronic disputation arena which saved the dignity of the profession. Unfortunately, nobody realized how valuable that ability was, and we continued to muck forwards. Hello, <A HREF="http://scientificactivist.blogspot.com/2006/02/breaking-news-george-deutsch-did-not.html" REL="nofollow">George Deutsch</A>, who didn't graduate from Texas A&M after all. Hello, <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/03/ben_domenech_creationist.php" REL="nofollow">Ben Domenech</A>, the creationist plagiarist <A HREF="http://yourlogohere.blogspot.com/2006/03/nail-meet-coffin.html" REL="nofollow">snared</A> by the <A HREF="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/23/152531/888" REL="nofollow">Amazon search-inside feature</A>.<BR/><BR/>As Fox Mulder might say under similar circumstances, "Do you see a pattern forming here, Scully?"<BR/><BR/>I have gone on at much greater length than I intended to ramble. I have too much in common with the Mencken character in <I>Inherit the Wind,</I>, who has only been in love "with the sound of my own words, thank God." (At least it's a requited love, most of the time.) To give this tapeworm of a tale something like a moral, suffice to say that we need to study online disputation far more carefully than we have done so far, with a historical eye.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160612574284118252006-10-11T17:22:00.000-07:002006-10-11T17:22:00.000-07:00I think you'll find that blogspot policy is full c...I think you'll find that blogspot policy is full copyright protection by default (which is the current legal situation). Since David hasn't got any <A HREF="http://creativecommons.org/" REL="nofollow">CC licenses</A> in evidence, I suggest you be polite to your host (and your fellow commentators!)<BR/><BR/>I think I've already droned on enough about the relative virtues of blogs vs wikis. One thing that I find very interesting is that people apparently feel much more comfortable with the blog format than the asynchronous wiki. (From comments, woozle has noticed it, too). I would have thought wikis were a surefire hit. (Oh well, one more victim of a Cartesian fallacy!)<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, anyone considering a 'blook' would be well advised to start by correlating the material via links in a wiki. (Incidentally, you *can* obtain a link to individual comments by clicking on the timestamp at the end of each one. eg the first comment of this post is <A HREF="http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/10/architechs-terrific-and-other-news.html#116052206650201518" REL="nofollow">here</A>. I've only just found this trick, having trawled through source dumps in the past!)<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>*sigh!* Can we get away from it?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6040054.stm" REL="nofollow">'Huge rise' in Iraqi death tolls</A><BR/><BR/><I>'...John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (JHBSPH) estimate that the mortality rates have more than doubled since the invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein, causing an average of 500 deaths a day...'</I><BR/><BR/><I>'..."Six-hundred thousand or whatever they guessed at is just... it's not credible," Mr Bush said.'</I><BR/><BR/>Mr. Bush, they weren't guessing. At least, the Lancet doesn't seem to think so. Which part of 'peer review' don't you understand?<BR/><BR/>Welcome to Club Genocide.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Anyone wanting a bit of extraterrestrial escapism after that should go <A HREF="http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000727/" REL="nofollow">here</A>, or <A HREF="http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000719/" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1160592804116866952006-10-11T11:53:00.000-07:002006-10-11T11:53:00.000-07:00I'm seriously tempted to try putting together a sa...I'm seriously tempted to try putting together a sample chapter for Contrary Brin Vol. I, as if I didn't have enough other stuff to keep me busy ;-). Each chapter would focus on a particular thread or topic, rather than being strictly sequential; all text would be edited for clarity.<BR/><BR/>Blake Stacey raised the issue of co-authorship. Does anyone know what the legalities actually are? Does BlogSpot have any kind of default copyright policy for blog comments? Should Contrary Brin have a posted copyright policy, so as to be able to freely reuse comments in the future?<BR/><BR/>I would suggest that it seems reasonable, in this context, to use people's comments without compensation or explicit permission (requested exceptions dealt with on a case-by-case basis), though attribution would probably be a good idea. (Once it has been decided which comments to use, the individuals in question could be contacted to find out how they would like to be attributed in the actual publication, with non-replies attributed by however they signed their posts.)Woozlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17948248776908775080noreply@blogger.com