The whole Greenland thing has nothing to do with Donald Trump’s claimed ‘national security needs,’ since a healthy NATO is exactly what thwarts Russia. And wrecking NATO is Putin’s dream. It also has nothing to do with ‘rare earths’. (Norway has more and far more easily accessed.) Just like Venezuela had almost nothing to do with ‘oil,’ there are other explanations.
Is “Greenland!!” possibly a ploy to divert attention? Sure, from Epstein… but also aiming attention to the far-north, when the next manic strike by imperial confederatism will actually be southward? And much closer to Trump’s Florida estate.
Indeed, what the neo-confederate GOP masters may have in mind is something almost identical to a slave-state ambition way back in the 1850s! And an obsession for mafiosi since 1959.
Keep your eye on Cuba.
== But let’s get back to Greenland! ==
One root reason for Trump’s obsession is much simpler - a narcissistic wish to be remembered forever! In this case, for adding to the USA a territory that looks larger (in a Mercator Map illusion) than Africa! And thus out-doing Jefferson’s Louisiana Purchase. Whereupon maybe Don replaces Tom on Mt. Rushmore!
Hm, maybe. But it’s my job to speculate outside normal narratives. So, Iet’s ask… does the Greenland Thing go deeper than just wrecking NATO for Vlad? And Trump wanting to be remembered for some grandiose, map-grabby-grabby?
After all, why should a solipsist care how others remember him, after he is gone?
Or else… will he be ‘gone?’
Remember that his White House is infested with tech-weirdos, from his VP (Peter Thiel’s hand puppet) to jibbering, would-be Machiavellis like Mencius Moldbug and Stephen Miller, to whoever Elon planted in the staff. And one thing that’s guaranteed to have been broached to the Don is… cryonics.
== The ultimate self-pardon and escape plan! ==
Cryonics? We’re talking about body-freezing after death (or nowadays just the head, unless you pay way-extra), with the aim of being revived – or upload-downloaded into a fresh young body – in some future era.
Can you honestly tell me that you doubt Trump would leap at signing a contract, once they tell him about it?
But… how to ensure that revival? Why will future-folks, in that 23rd Century, scientifically-advanced era, go to the effort of repairing all your cells and giving you a great young bod, even if they have the tools and means?
One thing is certain. They won’t do it in fondly-recollected gratitude for goodness or beneficence; not in this case! Those aren’t Trump’s calls to fame.
Most current cryonics customers are at least somewhat rich. I know some who have assured me (perhaps a little frantically) that their investment accounts – funds carefully not bequested to living heirs – will more than pay for revival, someday! A way for rich guys to “take it with me!” Maybe this explains why Trump needs to ‘acquire’ more and more and more wealth by any means, no matter how filthy… in order to make that mountainous bribe convincing enough to cross centuries!
As if future folk could not simply shrug and say “that’s not how we roll here, great-grampa! We’re adjusting the ledgers, now, and applying that capital to something useful.”
Trying to prevent that -- and force a stable, money-based standard of revival -- may be among the top reasons why Trump… along with some of the other New Lords and Olde Families… are engaging in their current worldwide putsch! A full-court press to end the Enlightenment Experiment and re-establish dismal feudalism. Because a feudal society can ensure the continuity and power of inherited or self-bequeathed wealth. In fact, that’s why feudalism dominated for 6000 years, on five continents!
But then, instead of mere lucre, let’s go back to fame! Trump’s passion - for all his life - would naturally extend into purported afterlife!
“They’re sure to revive someone who was as interesting as me! Or who had such great ratings!”
Fame has always been called a version of immortality, right? And can anyone doubt that the same theme pounds through every fiber of Trump’s being?
And what better way to ensure epic fame than doubling (Tripling? Mercator sextupling?) the size of the United States?
== A modest proposal ==
Which brings us to a weird suggestion. (Weird? From me? Never!) And mind you, I am not actually doing this thing that I’m about to discuss, only speculating about it, as if in a sci fi story. Indeed, I might write it, with all the names changed!
Still, it’s a transactional offer that seems straight off the pages of The Art of the Deal. One that might compel something that we want… without violating any current law, whatsoever. And if I’m right about this motive – consistent with the techie-incel brats who now infest the White House – then it goes straight to the core of Donald Trump’s greatest wish and goal.
“Dear Mister T, have we got a deal for you.
“First, if the core supposition of this missive is wrong, then all of what follows is just moot speculation, worthy of a sci-fi flick.
“But given the nature of the men who have been planted around you, it’s a pretty good guess that you have by now been persuaded to make arrangements. For your cadaver – after death – to be cryonically stored, which is by law merely a process for disposing of human remains, like burial or cremation.
“To be perfectly clear – none of us intend in any way to hasten that demise! Indeed, we vow to prevent or delay it, if ever any of us find ourselves in a position to influence such matters.
“But let’s assume that an end to this life/incarnation does come (it happens to us all) and that – clutching both a death certificate and a cryonics contract – your body commences a voyage of chilled storage and delayed delivery to some future time.
“In that case, it is inevitable that we or others will discover the facts about that body-disposal arrangement. And hence, we now propose a deal! A non-disclosure agreement or NDA (your favorite kind of agreement), under which we’ll refrain from openly revealing the location of your remains, or in any way acting on that knowledge, providing only that the following terms have been fulfilled –
“-- that you have resigned from the office of U.S. president by May 2026… and that you take JD Vance with you. And that whatever foundation or trust you set up, to pay for eventual revival, shall preserve capital for that purpose (what remains after lawsuit settlements), but use the interest in service of what future generations will assess to be good causes.
“Again, this is not, in any way, shape or form, a threat to you, as a living human being. Indeed, each of us vows to protect your life and health from harm, if ever any such power presents itself. We are assuming that neither foul play nor self-harm - nor some crazy 'early freezing' - were involved. We expect that you intend to eke out every minute of this life that your health and modern medicine can provide, as do nearly all of us. The topic here is only what happens after 'natural causes.' And whether you intend - as thousands do - for your remains to be entrusted to specialists who have made promises.
“Furthermore, we are assured that revealing the location and condition of a corpse is routinely done in a vast majority of burials and/or cremations today. There is no rational reason that yours – perhaps in a secure and guarded refrigeration crypt – should not be a matter of public record and/or historical/archaeological or even medical interest. Some folks may even visit yours as a shrine! Whatever others decide to do with the information is not something we care to even imagine. But if your intention is to keep the actual location secret – even (or especially) from your still-living heirs - then our offer stands. With plenty of time and incentives and out of sheer curiosity, we’ll find it. At which point, the NDA will kick in!
“That’s it. A mutually beneficial deal, taken from your book and your business dealings and personal practices. And we who are involved in offering you this deal will feel honor-bound to keep it. And you know that many people do believe in honor. Even if you never did. And we promise to urge others to keep the same deal. Assuming that you keep your side of the bargain.
“And now we’re done… except to remind you that crushing the dreams of a vast majority of human beings on this planet may not be the best way to ensure a safe and successful arrival at your desired, promised land of personal immortality.”
== Take the deal, Don ==
Is this entire scenario likely?
I could not possibly venture what the betting odds might be. Only that it is entirely consistent with the openly-stated thinking of the worm-tongues who now surround an impressionable old dementian. And we’re doing him a favor by getting him to reconsider and reexamine the ice-cold-voyage scenario that those Trump-whisperers have been offering him.
There are implications that Moldbug (Yarvin) or Miller or Vance won’t have mentioned. And maybe Donald Trump ought to ponder them.* And consider perhaps sacrificing a little near-term power in exchange for future immortality. And then – through his early absence – allowing us to resume scientific and social progress that are prerequisites for the kind of future on which his plans depend.
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*Or the South Park guys.

Last time I asked the regulars here if this title works for my AI book.
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or
AILIEN MINDS with the initial AI in red?
I like it.
DeleteWith a subtitle maybe... "R(ai)sing our newest children"
Good idea. Especially the latter.
DeleteRe: Fearless Leader agreeing to be put on ice ahead of schedule, odds hover around 0.1%. No matter what future enticements are promised to him, he judges the entire world by his own trustworthiness, and if HE were promising future immortality - that person's warming corpse would be inhabiting the bottom of a Trump golf course water hazard within hours of the freezing process, well weighted down.
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I never said 'ahead of schedule!' That would make me contemplating murder or suicide and I explicitly rejected any such thought.
DeleteBut I have added the following para to make that clear:
“Again, this is not, in any way, shape or form, a threat to you, as a living human being. Indeed, each of us vows to protect your life and health from harm, if ever any such power presents itself. We are assuming that neither foul play nor self-harm nor some crazy 'early freezing' were involved. We expect that you intend to eke out every minute of this life that your health and modern medicine can provide, as do nearly all of us. The topic here is only what happens after 'natural causes.'
AILIEN MINDS in the continuing American Civil War would necessitate the use of the term Antebellum Cerebellum AC/DC Quorum.
DeleteRum tum diddly rum tid dee eye tie, in all respect.
I believe a much more likely occurence is that the Orange one will kick the bucket and it will be concealed
ReplyDeleteAn animatronic puppet will be built that will continue to be the puppet president
If Donald starts being more coherent - less rambling - then it may have happened
"An animatronic puppet will be built that will continue to be the puppet president"
DeleteGiven Elon Musk's obsession with humanoid robots, I've speculated that this is already happening. That the necrotic carcass is being animated cybernetically.
Like any good story, it explains a lot.
There is a good chance that he has already had a stroke sometime this year. His behaviour fits that. I'd guess a better than even chance but not by much.
ReplyDeleteWell,
ReplyDeleteOften I say something only when I notice that prevailing opinion around here is leaving out some valid arguments, which is why I often get perceived as a lefty on rw sites, and a raving conservative on me sites.
But man, I can't even come up with an alternative perspective for trying to bully Denmark into selling us Greenland. Its simply nuts.
One, it makes NATO think we're a bigger threat than Putin.
Two, We already effectively control it due to having a.big base there. It's not as if 50k or so locals could stop our military there if there was some strategic need to stop China or Russia.
Three, if Russian hypersonic missiles mean we need more extensive warning systems, wouldn't all of NATO want something like that? So just propose it to our r80-year allies.
Four, if its about exploiting natural resources now becoming accessible with global warming, uhh see three above. Pretty !such all of Europe would want that. Seems to me we can come to some kind of mutually beneficial development agreement that involves firms in all of NATO. Its a found money situation so that the parties should be agreeable.
Five, if four is the big rationale, uh huh how does that square with calling global warming a hoax?
Six, the only thing that makes sense is Trump wants The Great posthumously attached to his name and be recognized as the First Emperor of. the American Empire. At the very least he wants to be seen as a transformative President that expanded the US a la Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase.
What the Hell? Is this coming from Stephen Miller, or some oligarchs who aspire to become the worlds first Trillionaire through controlling vast swaths of new natural resources?
I'm sorry John, I've read your post twice, and I don't get it. What is your point.
DeleteUhhh...my point is that Trump attempting to intimidate Denmark into selling Greenland to thr USA makes no sense. His asserted reasons don't make sense.
DeleteMaybe he just wants to be buried in the ice sheet. He always was a cheapskate and a bit of a luddite.
ReplyDelete@ Larry:
ReplyDeleteI hope you don't mind if I ask a somewhat personal question. If you choose not to answer, I won't ask again.
I wrote comments two or three times, but did not get published. I share my initials with you, L.H. and the city I'd name is Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, Germany.
"I share my initials with you, L.H."
Delete"How much longer can I go on being an atheist?"
Maybe we should give Greenland to Trump and all of MAGA.
ReplyDeleteAs a penal colony.
...As a penal colony.
DeleteI've thought the same about Mars. But Greenland might be easier.
With Greenland on the front page, nobody is talking about the Epstein Files now are they?
ReplyDeleteBTW, some time ago I made a post about "low level fascism," which I said has grown over the last 30 years by the tactics police use in citizen encounters to get around constitutional rights.
ReplyDeleteWell, ICE tactics in Minnesota are amped up to no pretense of respecting ANY restriction. They're using pure force and demanding total compliance to any whim.
Police have been trained to issue demands phrased as questions, hoping to intimidate citizens to "give permission" for searches and trick and lie to suspects to get confessions. ICE agents are smashing through windows and dragging people out of cars for no apparent reason.
One video showed ICE agents smashing through the window of a guy with his hands on his steering wheel, while offering no signs of apparent belligerence. Of course, you can do a lot by showing truncated clips of an incident, but some of these explanations just don't wash.
When I wrote that post not long ago, little did I image wed see such immediate evidence how that "low level" fascism can explode into full on federal officers run amok.
I then and now mention things being slippery slopes. Like, torture and extrajudicial killings of islamist terrorists.
DeleteIt seems like Trump's had his TACO moment over Greenland?
ReplyDeleteIn announcing his (illegal) tarrifs vs the European countries that sent troops to Greenland, Trump had this to say:
“Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, The United Kingdom, The Netherlands, and Finland have journeyed to Greenland, for purposes unknown. This is a very dangerous situation for the Safety, Security, and Survival of our Planet,”
So it sounds like someone in the JCS sitting Trump down, and pointing out that there's a stick of SAS in Greenland now, so any plan for a bloodless takeover of Greenland relies on them not being stubborn. And there's a squad or two of German troops there, so any plan for a bloodless takeover relies on them not following orders to defend the place.
Now there have been historical occasions when British troops were not stubborn, and there have been historical occasions when German troops didn't follow orders, but man that's a bad bet.
c plus quoting DJT:
Delete"This is a very dangerous situation for the Safety, Security, and Survival of our Planet,”
Me quoting Batman villain The Minstrel:
"So what? Who cares? It's their world!"
The German contingent has been ordered back, officially because the bad weather prohibited a further exploration. They were brass evaluating the situation and showing support.
DeleteTechnically, we have a brigade of rapidly deployable soldiers ("Gebirgsjäger/Mountain Rangers") trained for operations in that climate.
That said, I believe it mostly was to make a political point Instead of a "Recon Mission"it was declared at.
Currently, news are that economic counter-sanctions are discussed.
BTW, the Dog sleds Trump uses to mention in a deragoratory way:
Yes, they have them. They are loaded with a rifle capable of killing polar bears at a distance and explosives.
Denmarks current King served with them.
And ICE might have a bit of difficulties filtering out Danes inserted into the US by racial profiling alone. Just saying.
https://www.threads.com/@briantylercohen/post/DTntPbzEXUm
ReplyDeleteMore than 200,000 Danish citizens have signed a petition to buy California as a response to Trump’s attempt to take Greenland.
They say they will provide Californians with “rule of law, universal health care, fact-based politics, and a lifetime supply of Danish pastries.”
Take Illinois too, please.
How about a third option for your new book title?
ReplyDelete"Alien Minds", paired with colored & capitalized "A" and "I" so those letters pop off the cover, as in "Alien MInds.
I still think that you have Trump all backwards, as he is an absolute master of Reverse Psychology, starting with his 2016 dismissal of NATO (which dramatically INCREASED Europe's pro-NATO commitment), his attempted Ukrainian peace deal (which made Russia's NATO trading partners declare Russia an 'existential threat' & offer up 'boots on the ground' there), his unpopular demand for the release of the Epstein files (which suddenly became a Democrat imperative after Trump dismissed them as 'a nothing') and his recent Greenland takeover proposal (which prompted our hands-off NATO allies to actually show some interest in defending it for a change).
Trump even drove some of his opponents to overdose-related suicide, simply by suggesting that Tylenol may be bad for them.
It's said that notorious conman Bernie Madoff also mastered this same technique as he frequently refused to take his mark's money until his otherwise street-smart investors BEGGED him to do so.
I mean, really, is there anything our Conman-in-Chief can't force his opponents to do for him by just suggesting (or saying) that he is against it?
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I'd start with the conclusion: Frozen heads of the fascist political circus with which he surrounds himself, stored in an interstellar ASRS system. In essence, a vending machine hurtling towards any alien race that could enjoy it. We would need an AI (or, depending on budget, a 1980s video game algorithm) which steered it away from planets populated by anything planarium-flatworm-like. Eons from now, we wouldn't want flatworm-infested swastika-decorated warships (or foodcarts) showing up in San Francisco. There might be an epilogue of dark-forest-theory systems simply moving their planets or lifting their skirts, allowing our ASRS to roll right on through to the Cosmic Event Horizon -- literally "out of sight" and out of mind. With our ending mapped out, we just have to create the characters who could make it happen, craft a killer hook, and (in 6 months or so) we're off to the best-seller list -- or possibly a foreign prison, depending on who wins the November Elections.
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