tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post6584338141219683965..comments2024-03-28T07:58:16.979-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Politics vs Policy... vs Reality: and the "evonomics" of those tax cutsDavid Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83066939232103840642018-03-17T11:03:40.517-07:002018-03-17T11:03:40.517-07:00Alfred Differ:
Certainly the story of your family ...<br />Alfred Differ:<br />Certainly the story of your family is like a novel. I think you should write that story in a novel format, at least so that the next generations of your family remember that the success they achieved was thanks to the sacrifices and almost slavery of their ancestors.<br />Although I think you said you're not interested in writing. However, your writing style reminds me a bit of Robert A. Heinlein's chronicle style in his novel "Time Enough for Lover" and "Methuselah's Children." So, if you focus on describing what happens and expressing the emotions of the characters with actions, then I think you can get successful novels.<br />Regarding the issue of carbohydrates, have you tried the stevia leaves? That plant, which I know does not have any problem. I have noticed that the plant is sold in "Home Depot". And the plant produces seeds, so you can grow a large amount of plants on a small plot of land. The leaves of that plant are very sweet. But you should harvest the leaves frequently, and put them to dry. The mills and you use them mixing them with your cereals; smoothies, etc. That plant is much sweeter than ordinary sugar.<br />Winter7Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-17971081255754010252018-03-17T10:51:01.206-07:002018-03-17T10:51:01.206-07:00Yep, the N word wasn't always used for African...Yep, the N word wasn't always used for African people specifically. I remember looking up the word in the dictionary when I was larval and the dictionary defined it as 1. an ignorant person, 2. a pejorative for a person of African descent. Since all humans are of African descent, it shouldn't matter, but I doubt the lexicographers were thinking that back in the '70s. When Larval Paul 1.0 tried using the word according to definition one, it did not go over very well. : {Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-23759210666882365782018-03-17T10:49:40.841-07:002018-03-17T10:49:40.841-07:00onward.
I'll be traveling a lot. Checking in ...onward.<br /><br />I'll be traveling a lot. Checking in now and then. Carry on.<br /><br />onwardDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-77436943617268634552018-03-17T09:10:27.476-07:002018-03-17T09:10:27.476-07:00Paul SB:
Exactly, but not so much in Alfred's...Paul SB:<br /><i><br />Exactly, but not so much in Alfred's story. But I wasn't being snarky, just making an observation that seemed kind of humorous.<br /></i><br /><br />Ah. Ok, but the cast of <i>Ragtime</i> certainly has a lot of white people too, even among the poor characters. Also necessary to the plot.<br /><br />And BTW, if Alfred's ancestors were of Irish descent in London, they were probably called "n----r" a time or two.<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-14279996599441889402018-03-17T08:50:54.950-07:002018-03-17T08:50:54.950-07:00Alfred,
McCloskey's comment about the hyper-c...Alfred,<br /><br />McCloskey's comment about the hyper-competitiveness of our Executive Caste being extremely male is worth commenting on. I'm sure you remember what Sapolsky had to say about testosterone, right? This is one of those "everybody knows" things that is entirely wrong. Yes, if you castrate a bull it won't chase you around trying to gore you, but that doesn't work unless you do that when the bull is very young and hasn't learned to be aggressive yet. Experiments with humans have shown that what they expect is what they get. Inject a man with testosterone and if he thinks it will make him aggressive, he becomes aggressive. Inject a man with saline solution but tell him it's testosterone and the same thing happens.<br /><br />Testosterone has clear physiological affects on the human body, like triggering muscle growth and all that ugly body hair, but in terms of behavior the story is much more nuanced. Give it to a police officer (real or placebo) and they become much more diligent in pursuing criminals, or people they perceive to be criminals, anyway, which isn't always the same thing. I had an anthro professor ages ago who, when asked the "Is aggression really natural" answered that you don't need rituals to reinforce behaviors that are natural, you need rituals to reduce behaviors that are natural. What rituals reinforce aggression? Violent sports like football, for one. Also hazing, bullying (which has until recently been largely accepted as both "natural" and healthy male behavior - never mind the number of girls and women who bully, we just close our eyes to things that don't fit our stereotypes), and all the honor given to those who are aggressive in their careers, regardless of whether they are anything like ethical. <br /><br />Part of the problem is that people misunderstand how instincts work. They think instincts are simple programs, instructions that well up inside people and force them to behave badly. Nice rationalization for bad behavior, but it simply isn't true. As Sapolsky pointed out, testosterone only makes you aggressive if you believe it will. Instincts are not programs, they are options that people try, usually at very young ages, and they are either reinforced by society or extinguished by society. Violent subordinates tend to end up in jail or an early grave - exactly the phenomenon that has spurred the Black Lives Matter movement. Violent leaders, on the other hand, not only get away with aggressive behavior, they benefit from it, so it gets reinforced with myelin and dopamine in their brains. As usual, reality is much more complicated than the bumper stickers would have you believe. Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-84694870711623672702018-03-17T08:32:48.185-07:002018-03-17T08:32:48.185-07:00Exactly, but not so much in Alfred's story. Bu...Exactly, but not so much in Alfred's story. But I wasn't being snarky, just making an observation that seemed kind of humorous.Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-465911645654933722018-03-17T07:36:11.320-07:002018-03-17T07:36:11.320-07:00@PaulSB,
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"Lack of melanin" in the ...@PaulSB,<br /><br />???<br /><br />"Lack of melanin" in the <i>Ragtime</i> cast, or in Alfred's family. I'm not sure what you're snarking here.<br /><br />There were many blacks in the musical. Not just incidentally, but necessary to the plot.<br /><br /><br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-22041582825158736042018-03-17T06:54:07.203-07:002018-03-17T06:54:07.203-07:00"You'd all be at home as characters in th..."You'd all be at home as characters in the musical Ragtime."<br />- Well, except for a conspicuous lack of melanin in the cast ...Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-79442674213161714642018-03-17T06:50:22.859-07:002018-03-17T06:50:22.859-07:00Alfred, again,
"What we actually do will pro...Alfred, again,<br /><br />"What we actually do will probably look more like an ensemble approach where all paths are taken and the winners get to live well."<br />- Most anthropologists will tell you that instead of rigidly prescribing to one paradigm, they follow the "smorgasbord approach" of trying whatever works in any given circumstance. The idea of diversity doesn't bother me, what bothers me is the final clause of that statement. The winners may get to live well, at the expense of everyone else. That's how things work in tooth-and-nail biological evolution, but as I have said before, your bar is too low for my tastes. I would much rather acknowledge that humans are human, not merely mindless predators. As the social animals par excellence, any social system which tries to treat humans as nothing more than predatory individuals will always fail the species.<br /><br /> "Do you REALLY think this is happening, though? Are we heading for a flatline? Are we on a path that could lead close instead? I’m all for warning against the catastrophe, but going back to my original comment, we are one of the civilizations that adapts."<br />- At least 30% of our civilization refuses to adapt. For some of them they are making out like bandits by gaming the current system, while most of them are simply mindless dupes of those who are robbing them blind.<br /><br />My last archaeology job included among my duties monitoring what was referred to as "the big pit" on the site of Howard Hughes' old aircraft factory. A big real estate tycoon had bought the property and wanted to build homes, shopping and even a new school on the property. Fortunately there is a government in California that requires people to clean up toxic waste before selling homes and building schools on a plot of land. The developer sure as hell would not have spent millions doing that if there wasn't a law and people looking over their shoulders to make sure they were meeting the law's requirements. Otherwise it would have become yet another Love Canal.<br /><br />The big pit was 80 feet deep and several hundred square when I was there. They were digging out sold that was neon green, yellow, pink and rainbow swirl. A chemist was always on site with a chemical sniffer to monitor air quality. "Look, there's another benzene ring! Great stuff we're sniffing!" was a refrain I heard from them often enough. The stinking soil was then dumped into trucks, and those trucks drove out to the desert and dumped the contaminated soil out on the ground where the wind could scatter it anywhere. But with real estate prices so unreal in the LA Basin, lots of other real estate developer are building more reasonably-priced homes and apartments goes where? Out in the desert where all that contaminated soil was being dumped! Don't underestimate the power of business to soil the nest, and the power of government to find token remedies that kick the can down the road a little rather than solving the actual problem. That's called crony capitalism, that is.<br /><br />"We CAN go down a path you point out..."<br />- I'm not exactly sure I know what path you are attributing to me. Could you explain what you think I am saying?Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-46596106347363979662018-03-17T06:42:33.104-07:002018-03-17T06:42:33.104-07:00Alfred Differ:
For example, educating everyone (p...Alfred Differ:<br /><i><br />For example, educating everyone (paying to help them build their own human capital) matters a great deal. It did NOT matter much until the latter half of the 20th century, but it matters now. The violation of our principles regarding taxation isn’t as important as getting people educated. We should be willing to tolerate the theft in order to reduce the education gradient. If fact, if we take her ethics chapters seriously, we should be volunteering the money in big buckets, or better yet, getting into the business of making it happen.<br /></i><br /><br />That philosophy has applications in many social areas, from fire departments to public health to retirement. We err when we treat all of these areas as something that individuals acquire or fail to acquire or refuse to acquire as solely personal choices.<br /><br />BTW, I somehow failed to notice your long posts that mixed economic theory with personal history until Dr Brin referred back to them. You seriously should publish your family's story in some form, even without necessarily naming names. You'd all be at home as characters in the musical <i>Ragtime</i>.<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-31563841126432786132018-03-17T06:29:50.968-07:002018-03-17T06:29:50.968-07:00Looks like autocorrect made a hash of your joke an...Looks like autocorrect made a hash of your joke and I didn't catch it before hitting the publish button. Curses, foiled again!Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-88241576376005186382018-03-17T06:28:24.375-07:002018-03-17T06:28:24.375-07:00TCB,
"... a band and call it the Guillotines...TCB,<br /><br />"... a band and call it the Guillotines."<br />- I like the way you think...<br /><br />I also like what moves your mental models. I fact, I have that example of things that move your mental models on DVD.Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-50334576562726603532018-03-17T06:25:57.556-07:002018-03-17T06:25:57.556-07:00Alfred,
On the unions, I'll have to read the ...Alfred,<br /><br />On the unions, I'll have to read the book and look at the details, because I can't say I know a whole lot about them. I can say that America's most prosperous times were when unions were strong, and the country started going downhill when the Republicans were able to convincingly paint unions as corrupt, driving workers away from their most reliable protection against their masters. My own personal experience with teacher's unions is that how they have been portrayed in the press and what actually goes on are rather different pictures. The media only want to talk about teacher's unions when there is a strike in the offing, and when they do they only report about wage increase demands or punitive evaluation systems. What actually went on in the union meetings I have attended is a rather different picture. I have seen unions vote to cut teacher salaries in exchange for smaller class sizes, but that will never be reported in the so-called "liberal" media. The media are much more interested in casting aspersions than reporting the whole story. Most of the things we discussed in union meetings related to issues of education and school safety, but administrators typically pretend to agree to those things while focusing on salary and benefits in negotiations, later reneging on any promises they made about more substantive issues than pay. Without teachers' unions our education would resemble what you see in old Charlie Dickens novels.Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-23453747995178189552018-03-17T06:15:49.274-07:002018-03-17T06:15:49.274-07:00"David Brin said...
Alfred, what an incredib..."David Brin said...<br /><br />Alfred, what an incredible family story!"<br />- Of course you realize that only a bare generation ago - and in many circles of the most powerful - such a story would be considered so shameful it would effectively end any chance of his being able to work for a living within the law. Never mind that most of those rich aristo families came by their wealth through piracy or land grants given out after the burning of villages, and the nouveau riche business barons made theirs by sinking millions of their fellow hominids into poverty. It is a testament to how our culture is changing, in spite of the guardians of none-of-your-business judgement, to accommodate and value your fellow hominids. I doubt the "my daddy has better genes/breeding/table manners/classic car collection than your daddy" mentality will go away until the mechanics of the human brain are changed, but there is plenty of room for the culture to become less divisive, judgmental, xenophobic, hateful and self-destructive.<br /><br />One of the things I love about the better, more well-thought science fiction works is that the presence of alien races is treated not as something to hate and fear, but as something to learn from, adapt and grow comfortable with. The second Uplift trilogy starts on a very multi-racial world where racism is meaningless. They were all united by the fact that they shared an illegal colony that would be in major trouble if they were discovered. That's a huge step up from all those alien invasion stories where the aliens are cardboard bugbears and the humans glorious heroes resisting their onslaught. Contrast something like Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel," where one set of aliens was planning to invade while another was working to thwart them. Our right-wing paranoids would proclaim the better kind to be pie-in-the-sky lovey-dovey kumbiyah (I have no idea how to spell that) BS, ignoring the aliens who do turn out to be enemies in such tales. The clinically paranoid have mentality that both stereotypes, giving all members of the same category the same status (Two legs good, pseudopodia bad!) and turning potential friends into enemies by treating anyone different as enemies. <br /><br />There's a bizarre irony in how some people insist that individuals must merit success individually, yet they collectively condemn entire groups of people to subordinate status regardless of individuality. Humans! What can you do with them? Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-8735083912544958102018-03-17T05:20:05.253-07:002018-03-17T05:20:05.253-07:00Bill Maher interviews Billy Bush:
https://www.you...Bill Maher interviews Billy Bush:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4uABj30AWs<br /><br />Check in around timestamp 5:20. Billy had called Trump on his claim that The Apprentice was number 1 in the ratings when it hadn't been for four years.<br /><br /><i><br />Billy Bush: "And when the cameras are off...he [Trump] says, 'Billy, look. You just tell them. And they believe it.'"<br /></i>LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-36327981804006472712018-03-16T21:18:02.600-07:002018-03-16T21:18:02.600-07:00@TCB | Heh. Her argument about the Unions takes so...@TCB | Heh. Her argument about the Unions takes some development. You have to look at the numbers to see it. I'm not sure I agree, but only because there are intangibles that can't be summed into those numbers. Ultimately, though, she argues that the benefit people assign to Unions is misplaced. It came from elsewhere and the wrong people are getting credit for it. The ENTIRE second book talks about misplaced credit or blame.<br /><br />As for Haitians and Cubans, there is truth to her statement, but it's hard to see until she lays out more clearly what the ethical system is and how they violate it. One doesn't have to be rich to deploy it. One doesn't have to be poor either.<br /><br />The front of that book summarizes a lot because she knew it might be the only part people actually read. It doesn't hurt to skip the Apology, but I suggest coming back to it later. It is written in the classical style of an Apology where the author is not sorry about any of it. 8)Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-35505510718123562572018-03-16T21:07:06.332-07:002018-03-16T21:07:06.332-07:00@LarryHart | The compromise short of violence is ...@LarryHart | The compromise short of violence is impeachment. Judges can be taken down that way too. Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1389851870364906832018-03-16T20:28:03.558-07:002018-03-16T20:28:03.558-07:00Duncan Cairncross said "I believe that at som...Duncan Cairncross said "I believe that at some point he/she will actually realise what has been done and then the blazing brands and guiloteens will come out"...<br /><br />If I were 45 years younger I would start a band and call it the Guilloteens.<br /><br />I am half-following the current debate on Deirdre McCloskey, as I have read only a bit of the introduction to The Bourgeois Virtues. It's tough going for me, and not for the reasons you might expect! It's not too dry nor too abstruse nor am I befuddled by the vocabulary. No, it is this: McCloskey has a dreadful habit of saying things I find perfectly reasonable, and in the next paragraph saying something I find perfectly outrageous and insupportable, each statement offered as fact when much of it is clearly opinion. Unions have done nothing to help the workers? Haitians and Cubans alike would benefit from adopting more bourgeois virtues? Good fucking god. Should she not fly down there and tell them to their faces? This is the information they have waited all their lives to hear.<br /><br />Maybe I had better skip to the first chapter and see whether the road smooths out any.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I like having my previous mental models overturned.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMuzlEQz3uo" rel="nofollow">THIS is how you do it. THIS changed an idea in my head, or rather put a new one in there.</a>TCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08153506222271955110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-37044373419196545012018-03-16T19:45:40.421-07:002018-03-16T19:45:40.421-07:00Alfred Differ:
It all depends on how the Milleni...Alfred Differ:<br /><i><br /> It all depends on how the Millenials take power. Which they will. Some day.<br /></i><br /><br />They'll probably have to insist somehow on removing the right-wing judges the federal courts are currently being stacked with.<br /><br />I know those are lifetime appointments, but at some point, we're going to have to officially recognize that the purpose of lifetime appointments is to keep the judges free of political interference. That one generation gets to saddle the next few with their own ideologues is a bug, not a feature. And if we don't fix the bug, then the only solution would be the obvious one that Dr Brin prefers we don't discuss here. Maybe there's a compromise short of guillotines?<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-31531301427496145482018-03-16T18:54:57.394-07:002018-03-16T18:54:57.394-07:00@Duncan | Well... I've been here at it certain...@Duncan | Well... I've been here at it certainly doesn't look like the end to me. It looks like the end of what we used to be and the start of what we will become, but each generation can say that. <br /><br />Maybe if I had lived where you were I might fell different, but I've been in California now for 35 of those years. Things have changed, but I think we are better off now. All of us. Yes. Even the people at the bottom of the SES gradient. It doesn't show up as income, though.<br /><br />The bulk of the improvement I've seen isn't with the 0.1%. It wouldn't fit in their homes, businesses, and so on. It's the stuff Piketty doesn't track.<br /><br />I'm not going to convince you, though. I know that. We shall have to wait another 40 years to see how it turns out, hmm? <br /><br /><br />However, I do expect some city burning between now and then. My guess a few years ago was for next mid-decade. With the way things are going right now, I'm moving my guess closer to the present. Maybe 2020 or so. It all depends on how the Millenials take power. Which they will. Some day.<br /><br />We will manage.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-4863341781376252842018-03-16T17:42:37.430-07:002018-03-16T17:42:37.430-07:00Hi Alfred
Re - the end of America
That was one of...Hi Alfred<br />Re - the end of America<br /><br />That was one of the reasons I chose not to stay in the USA, the American worker has been screwed rigid over the last 40 years<br />He/she has shared almost nothing of the improvements wrought mostly by him/her self - YES life has got better - but 95% of that has gone to the 0.1% and the 5% that he/she has got has only been enough to whet an appetite for more<br /><br />I believe that at some point he/she will actually realise what has been done and then the blazing brands and guiloteens will come out<br />They will probably blame the wrong people!! <br />But that will be irrelevant compared to the violence <br /><br />I did not want my family involved in that<br /><br /> duncan cairncrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153725128216947145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-66587045192084531452018-03-16T17:20:52.726-07:002018-03-16T17:20:52.726-07:00@Paul SB | That's been one of my major points ...@Paul SB | <i>That's been one of my major points for a very long time.</i><br /><br />Then you and she would likely agree on that point. Your differences might lie in her belief that most of us are not emulating the sharks. She warns against doing so and even goes so far as to say it is a very ‘male’ thing to do. She points to how our stories used to make it practically a sacred requirement for guys to do this. She also points out that many of us fail to do so and actually reject ethical guide. Any of us who ‘sweet talk for a living’ as she phrases it are breaking away from that guide, thus avoiding shark emulations.<br /><br />I just re-read the pages that follow the one I pointed to where he covers the increased sense of entitlement airline passengers feel when they have to pass through first class to get to coach seats or when first class customers have to see us doing it. Obviously we signal our social status and our objections. I even caught myself doing it a bit the other day when I had my new computer delivered to my work address. (I didn’t want to risk a drop-off delivery at my home address.) I had it out of its box and was showing it to others when I realized I was showing off that I could buy a more expensive model. Oops. I don’t think stopping this behavior is a feasible objective, though. It is part of what makes us human. What we need is for our social institutions to provide coping mechanisms or ways to channel the behavior into relatively harmless paths.<br /><br /><i>Until the hyper-competitiveness that drives our economic/social class system flatlines the ecosystem and we end up being just as much a thing of history as the Romans and the Maya.</i><br /><br />Do you REALLY think this is happening, though? Are we heading for a flatline? Are we on a path that could lead close instead? I’m all for warning against the catastrophe, but going back to my original comment, we are one of the civilizations that adapts. A huge part of how we do that involves our markets. Sure. The dangers you point out also come from those markets. Nothing new here. We deal with these balances all the time. My immune system has done wonderful things at keeping me alive most of my life, but in a moment of excess it damn near killed me. What saved me was another system running alongside that happens to use those markets. Science & Commerce mostly.<br /><br />We CAN go down a path you point out, but I argue that avoiding it probably doesn’t look like your maturity model that you described a while back. If it does, we are in serious doo-doo as usual, but I don’t think it does this time. The West is unusual. What we actually do will probably look more like an ensemble approach where all paths are taken and the winners get to live well.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-69577772802596278652018-03-16T13:54:36.938-07:002018-03-16T13:54:36.938-07:00Dr Brin:
wow re the next generation. One can hop...Dr Brin:<br /><i><br /> wow re the next generation. One can hope.<br /></i><br /><br />I see my daughter and her friends--sophomores in high school--every day and know that the next generation is in good hands. That is, if we don't blow it all up first.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-10967754793233728092018-03-16T13:41:32.700-07:002018-03-16T13:41:32.700-07:00
Alfred, what an incredible family story!
Occam,...<br />Alfred, what an incredible family story!<br /><br />Occam, I asked “compared to what” for very good reasons. Only if you fully absorb how far we’ve come can we appreciate what might be lost… and how far we have yet to go. Concentrating only on the negative is just as lobotomizing as jingo-chauvinist preening.<br /><br />Robert, wow re the next generation. One can hope.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-69433079975355354212018-03-16T13:09:28.100-07:002018-03-16T13:09:28.100-07:00Well, Dr. Brin, it appears some Republicans are li...Well, Dr. Brin, it appears <i>some</i> Republicans are listening to you. The younger generation of Republicans are advocating enacting a Carbon Tax. Further, this Carbon Tax would benefit poor people more than the rich as it is revenue-neutral and would be split evenly among people. Naturally the Republican Leadership has remained completely silent and ignores this offer by their younger brethren to do something about the environment... but it does show that some Republicans are afraid of being called "anti-science" and the like.<br /><br /><a href="www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/climate/college-republicans-carbon-tax.html" rel="nofollow">www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/climate/college-republicans-carbon-tax.html</a><br /><br />Enjoy! :) <br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.com