tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post6476425464061154444..comments2024-03-29T06:22:47.638-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Transparency in 2013: A FollowupDavid Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-28832159330158041162013-01-17T23:24:46.549-08:002013-01-17T23:24:46.549-08:00OK here's a date-stamped prediction: The gold ...OK here's a date-stamped prediction: The gold bubble turns out to be a bubble with price under $1,000/oz by end of CY 2013.Lorrainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13567383019731167967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-66732391046482735702013-01-17T17:51:27.859-08:002013-01-17T17:51:27.859-08:00locumranch:
Like modern currency, the very concep...locumranch:<br /><i><br />Like modern currency, the very concept of "value" is relative and arbitrary. The term "currency" suggests flexibility, prevalence, general acceptance and/or "flow"; and the term "value" suggests strength, desirability and/or esteem.<br /><br />In other words:<br /><br />Everything financial, especially money and/or monetary units, are "variables" rather than constants. These variables remain unfixed, inconstant and arbitrary-- they don't "add up" -- even though, invariably, we like to pretend that they are constant, fixed or comparable:<br /><br />Financial markets are based on faith<br /></i><br /><br />I don't disagree, but the part that I feel I've learned over time is that the gold-bug idealist is wrong when he believes that a system of trade based upon "objective value" of the currency produces superior results.<br /><br />If one maintains (as Ayn Rand seems to) that gold has an intrinsic value irrespective of what one can trade it for at any given moment, then one is forced to explain how the plundering of a foreign treasury, the discovery of a new lode of gold, or the landing of a gold meteor on earth produces more value in a way that is not produced by the Treasury department printing more dollar bills.<br /><br />It seems to me that the real value of the currency in circulation is determined by supply and demand. As the available pool of "stuff that people want" increases, then prices drop, which means currency is worth more. As the aggregate demand FOR that "stuff" increases, then prices rise, which devalues the currency. That's equally true if the currency is dollars or gold.<br /><br />If a vital commodity becomes scarce, then demand for that particular item (say food or water) can subvert demand for other things. In a famine, food may be the ONLY thing people are willing to buy, which raises food prices and lowers prices of everything else. No "objective value" model of an economy can account for that sort of relative-price shock.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15558807940045353182013-01-17T11:20:02.766-08:002013-01-17T11:20:02.766-08:00Oh, none of this is really all that practical...bu...Oh, none of this is really all that practical...but I was mostly thinking of a system required for folks who insisted on having the sorts of guns impractical for purposes other than keeping the British Dragoons from returning...semi military stuff and all. Obviously most firearms tragedies will be with handguns and I see no practical fix for that right now.<br /><br />OK, here is the WRM safe Mark II. It has a large box occupying the bottom section. It has to be filled with something that weighs at least 150 pounds, otherwise the locking mechanism will not engage. Water in bottles, Spam, Ammo. Gold bars would totally work too.<br /><br />A Well Regulated Militia needs both arms and rations. Might appeal to a certain segment of the populace.<br /><br />Unlikely to do much. Same can be said of all currently proposed legislation but this at least would find some favor on both sides....<br /><br />TacitusTacitushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007086196578740689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-37096390815092157542013-01-17T10:50:48.454-08:002013-01-17T10:50:48.454-08:00Tacitus2,
Re: Water-safe.
Wouldn't an internal...Tacitus2,<br />Re: Water-safe.<br />Wouldn't an internal movement sensor and screaming alarm be another solution? (If the owner wants to move the safe, he can just open it and turn off the switch from inside.)<br /><br />Oooh, what about using gold to weigh it down. Or am I mixing up threads again.<br /><br />Rob H,<br /><i>"one other benefit of a liquid bottom is that in case of an apartment fire... it bursts,"</i><br /><br />Steam explosions are not a benefit. Google "mythbusters water-heater explosion".<br /><br /><i>"You know something? Draw up plans for it, and patent it."</i><br /><br />Or if you don't intend to commercialise it widely, draw up plans and publish it on a hack-space website like instructables.com so that others can benefit. That doesn't prevent you from selling them yourself, but establishes prior art against a major manufacturer driving you out of business (well, not really, but in theory), without restricting others from making/modifying their own.Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-84411160925062863712013-01-17T10:47:27.265-08:002013-01-17T10:47:27.265-08:00Posting here to avoid contaminating the new thread...Posting here to avoid contaminating the new thread:<br /><br />Locumranch,<br /><i>"The very fact that many believe currency devaluation to be laudable and/or reasonable proves that almost every modern currency (dollar, peso, euro, etc) is only worth what we believe the reputation of the issuer to be worth, leaving us (in other words) with a faith-based economy."</i><br /><br />You do know that <i>every</i> business transaction, every debtor/creditor relationship, works like that?<br /><br />Re: Gun safes.<br /><br />Jonathan Roth,<br />I don't believe that gun safes have much of a better record than just a locked cupboard. Opening them isn't enough to cool an overheated brain, and kids know where the key is (or password written down). And "home-defence" gun owners object to them because they claim it slows down their potential response to armed intruders. (Ignoring that the rate of stranger-murder in households with guns is the same as in households without guns, meaning that it's statistically impossible for guns to have a defensive effect. (**)) Then you'll have the paranoia argument, that such a law gives Teh Gubment the right to come in to gun owners' homes to decide if they meet some arbitrary standard.<br /><br />(** People in households with guns have a nearly 3 times greater chance of being murdered. But most of the difference is familial murders. And most of that is handguns, the least likely to be properly secured or even just stored unloaded.)<br /><br />Rob and T2,<br />Long arms aren't especially dangerous in the home, and they are the easiest to secure. Any rifle-safe is going to be cumbersome for a thief to physically remove, even if it's not bolted down. Handguns are the biggest problem, and even proper handgun safes are notoriously weak. (There's a whole range that can be unlocked by being dropped or firmly tapped. Others which have a release to bypass the lock which any thin tool (or stiff wire) can trip.)<br /><br />The trend from padlocked racks in the den to hidden safes in the bedroom does seem to be based somewhat on the illusion of safety. I honestly think you'd reduce gun ownership if you banned gun safes. For many parents, it would eliminate the false-reassurance that keeping guns in the house is okay as long as they are in a safe.<br /><br />[My preference is licence, registration and insurance. With restrictions on the types of weapons that can be kept in the home, (basically hunting rifles and long-barrel non-tactical shotguns) with broader allowances at gun ranges and clubs and museums, provided they have greater security.]<br />Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-26079617526426133512013-01-17T10:29:50.323-08:002013-01-17T10:29:50.323-08:00Heh. So, how much are larger three-dimensional pri...Heh. So, how much are larger three-dimensional printers going for? After all, a one-piece structure would be the most structurally sound, leaving the door itself as the point of access for any wannabe thieves. A honeycomb internal structure would allow for increased strength of the fiberglass so that someone can't just take a sledgehammer to it to break it open with one blow.<br /><br />There can also be variable size gun safes - pistol safes that are maybe two-by-two-by-three feet (with half of that being the water anchor), and rifle safes that are five or six feet tall.<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-21601930258905222322013-01-17T09:57:58.304-08:002013-01-17T09:57:58.304-08:00Use of gold for stabilizing the value of currency ...Use of gold for stabilizing the value of currency would still work today, but only as one of the stabilizing forces. The right way to do it today is to use multiple forces and some of them have to be quite large. Because governments are borrowers they have incentive to screw with the markets when they can't pay their debts. The largest force I know to counter that is to prevent them from having a monopoly on 'legal tender'. If I can pay my taxes in a variety of currencies (including IOU's from my neighbors), they can trade them on an exchange to whatever they want upon receipt and have little control on the value of the assets I hold or offer up for those payments. We would all wind up playing in the futures market in order to stablize our own assets (or buying services from a broker who did it for us) and gold could be one of the assets.<br /><br />Hayek wrote about the denationalization of money late in life. One doesn't have to agree with him on all points to see that there ARE things we could try in order to put an end to government (or anyone else) devaluing our currencies in order to reset their debt. <br /><br />The morally acceptable method for clearing debt is to be honest enough to declare bankruptcy. We should try to block other fraudulent and criminal options.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-12769506245666172252013-01-17T09:08:12.654-08:002013-01-17T09:08:12.654-08:00Robert
Lets just kickstart a WRM* Industries.
Mi...Robert<br /><br />Lets just kickstart a WRM* Industries.<br /><br />Might be a government grant in there somewhere. NRA can kick in a little too.<br /><br />Tacitus<br /><br />*CEO of Well Regulated Militia IndustriesTacitushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007086196578740689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-26058332274637828932013-01-17T08:53:45.681-08:002013-01-17T08:53:45.681-08:00As far as gun safety regulation go (safes, locks e...As far as gun safety regulation go (safes, locks etc) why not require no-fault third party insurance: if one of your guns is involved in a shooting (other than justified defense of people or property), your insurance company has to compensate the person shot or their estate.<br /><br />The insurance industry would work out pretty quickly what were cost-effective safety measures and price policies accordingly.<br /><br />"You want to display your guns in an open rack along with 500 rounds of ammo?" That'll be $500 per gun per year.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739671401151990700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-74559854375175961842013-01-17T08:29:10.801-08:002013-01-17T08:29:10.801-08:00That works. It works better if the company include...That works. It works better if the company includes a product statement that it is not liable for loss of objects stored in the safe if the bottom is not filled according to specifications. (There is also the question on how you drain such a device if you have to move it; while a key unlocking that section would be useful, the problem is that most people would store the key in their apartment (or in the safe), thus negating its value.)<br /><br />Actually one other benefit of a liquid bottom is that in case of an apartment fire... it bursts, and thus slightly retards the expanse of flames (especially useful seeing gun safes would often also have ammunition within it). <br /><br />You know something? Draw up plans for it, and patent it. Seriously. I suspect a number of people would want to own something like this. And not just to store guns!<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-45194754648658319952013-01-17T08:04:18.111-08:002013-01-17T08:04:18.111-08:00Robert
In each case we are not looking for perfec...Robert<br /><br />In each case we are not looking for perfect answers (although I am mechanical enough to have some fun mentally designing that gun safe/rack). Perfect answers do not exist.<br /><br />We are looking for somewhat improved deterrents. <br /><br />How 'bout this design...<br /><br />Kevlar/fiberglass shell. Large water tank on bottom can only be filled from inside. Alarm that sounds if water level drops from hoodlums puncturing it. I could build this in my shop for a few hundred bucks...<br /><br />T2Tacitushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007086196578740689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-35371453910708018052013-01-17T07:17:41.930-08:002013-01-17T07:17:41.930-08:00There is one potential problem with a light-weight...There is one potential problem with a light-weight gun safe - you can just pick up the entire safe and walk off with it (if you're a thief) and then break into it at your leisure. And apartment complexes (and people who rent out houses and the like) tend to be leery about people drilling holes in the floor or walls to secure objects. Given that when criminals are robbing a house they tend to take everything that isn't nailed down (because you don't know when you might find something valuable) just snagging the safe for later opening isn't going to be a problem to them. And if you rig the inside of the safe to detonate to damage the guns... well, I can see an enterprising criminal getting harmed breaking into a gun safe and then suing the gun owner for injuries.<br /><br />Seriously. You cannot boobytrap your own house. If a criminal is harmed when breaking in, they can (and have successfully) sue the homeowner for injuries sustained. It's #&@)#!ed, but it's still a fact.<br /><br />I do agree with Tacitus. Tasers are the more effective tool. The problem is that tasers have been used in dealing with problem children before and resulted in a public outcry. In these circumstances the guard would have to know "you are only to use this weapon against someone who is armed and a threat." Of course, the other thing with these guards is that they would have to be like Air Marshals - you don't know who in the school is the guard so they're not targeted first.<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83459749539850488552013-01-17T06:50:17.309-08:002013-01-17T06:50:17.309-08:00Regards gun safes. Also trigger locks and whateve...Regards gun safes. Also trigger locks and whatever sort of fancy biometric sensor guns/phasers that may come in the future.<br /><br />I've been steering away from the gun control/rights discussion, but it seems to me that there are basically four reasons to own a gun.<br /><br />1.Collectors. There really are some fine examples of history and craftsmanship. These guns don't often turn up at crime scenes.<br /><br />2. Hunting. Weapons that put grouse in my freezer do not require any of the problematic features being discussed. These guns are occasionally crime weapons, but not mass killers.<br /><br />3. Self defense. Lots of room for debate on this one. I have previously commented that a carry permit should require annual marksmanship test etc.<br /><br />4. And finally, lets be honest. The Constitution sanctions an armed citizenry in part to forestall a predatory government. But in that context a "Well Regulated Militia" could certainly find room for a few, well, regulations. Wider background checks? Sure. Means for safe storage. Sure, would't want the Tories to swipe your guns. <br /><br />I am quite confident a lightweight gun storage rack with locking ability is within our technology. And we subsidize so many other things, in exchange for a concordance on this we could probably make them free or cheap somehow. <br /><br />Although I still think tasers in schools would do more good regards school shootings. Deny monsters the dramatic death they seem so badly to want<br /><br />TacitusTacitushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007086196578740689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-6320266573743281632013-01-16T23:29:39.144-08:002013-01-16T23:29:39.144-08:00I liked Robert Heinlein's economics in
Beyond...I liked Robert Heinlein's economics in <br />Beyond This Horizon<br /><br />As physical production increased the "Board" had to increase the symbolic structure (money) to match<br /><br />So as production increased the amount of money/credit available had to increase to balance<br /><br />As an engineer this sounds like a reasonable approach to achieve a stable system<br />This could be done with "fiat" money but I'm dammed if I can se how gold could be used duncan cairncrossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15756689580154430642013-01-16T20:54:31.189-08:002013-01-16T20:54:31.189-08:00"The old 'gold standard', despite all...<br />"The old 'gold standard', despite all its flaws, tied the value of a currency to a set amount of commodity (whether gold, wheat, opium or coffee beans) and provided wage earners, investors & borrowers with a modicum of protection against such a loss of faith and/or reputation."<br /><br />Except for the several hundred (literally) examples of countries suspending redemptions of their currency for gold, requiring citizens to sell their gold to the state at an inflated rate or changing the gold value of the currency overnight. <br />Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739671401151990700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-72910018549878858052013-01-16T19:29:05.457-08:002013-01-16T19:29:05.457-08:00Like your answers, LarryHart, but my comments re. ...Like your answers, LarryHart, but my comments re. "gold standard" are more about evaluation and/or value than they are "gold".<br /><br />Like modern currency, the very concept of "value" is relative and arbitrary. The term "currency" suggests flexibility, prevalence, general acceptance and/or "flow"; and the term "value" suggests strength, desirability and/or esteem.<br /><br />In other words:<br /><br />Everything financial, especially money and/or monetary units, are "variables" rather than constants. These variables remain unfixed, inconstant and arbitrary-- they don't "add up" -- even though, invariably, we like to pretend that they are constant, fixed or comparable:<br /><br />Financial markets are based on faith.<br /><br /><br />Best.locumranchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-90064982081342770302013-01-16T19:23:20.811-08:002013-01-16T19:23:20.811-08:00Pioneer Hi-Bred (Dupont now owns them) in Iowa bio...<b>Pioneer Hi-Bred</b> (Dupont now owns them) in <b>Iowa</b> biotechnology patents versus <i>Monsanto</i> when they have a case near home turf of St. Louis are geographically hidebound too. <br /><br /><i>Monsanto</i> though has been very heavy handed by projecting its IP as an over shadow on non-customers of various sorts. The terminator gene Monsanto tried to work into their product line became a thankful public relations albatross that almost no one mentions much anymore.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05675781921906678898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-31854285853501072252013-01-16T18:53:43.849-08:002013-01-16T18:53:43.849-08:00Oh, and locumranch, you just described... price-fi...Oh, and locumranch, you just described... price-fixing. Oh wait, that's the Government telling you what you have to spend in order to get a product... in short, it's not Capitalism and thus Heresy. What, are you a Communist or something? ;)<br /><br />As I've stated before, the Gold Standard (without price-fixing) is subject to supply and demand. Gold is worthless in a time of total economic and social collapse. It's a pretty metal, but a soft one that has no true value. And there's a lot of it, so there's not even a scarcity factor. (I mean, look at the number of gold wedding bands out there, and gold jewelry!)<br /><br />In short, a Gold Standard has no true benefit for the situations you envision it for. It has plenty of drawbacks for more normal times. And really... how are you going to eliminate all the money currently out there to RETURN to a gold standard? In order to do so you have to undergo massive deflation to eliminate the excess money. That will cause massive harm to the economy. So... no. No return to the Gold Standard. It has no benefit and plenty of drawbacks.<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-5869511146708058812013-01-16T18:47:58.233-08:002013-01-16T18:47:58.233-08:00Because gun safes are often large and expensive (a...Because gun safes are often large and expensive (and heavy, which may be a problem for upper-floor apartments). And people who have guns for safety reasons don't want to try and get the gun out of the safe while someone is breaking in. Mind you, it's a good idea. But there are plenty of people who will refuse it or who if forced to own one won't use it. Just as there are people who keep their guns loaded with the safety off despite the sheer idiocy of doing so.<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-79363417081839423272013-01-16T18:42:01.884-08:002013-01-16T18:42:01.884-08:00locumranch, when I was much younger, I used to be ...locumranch, when I was much younger, I used to be in total agreement with you about the gold standard. As I grew older and saw more of how economies actually work, I came to agree more with the likes of Paul Krugmann. It wasn't so much a change of ideology as a recognition of the practical.<br /><br />I'm reminded of my favorite Yogi Berra-attributed quote:<br /><br />"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is."<br /><br />In practice, gold is also a promissory note for what that gold can be exchanged for later. Hardly anyone works for gold as an end in itself--they want the economic power that the gold represents. I see no difference between getting paid in dollars whose value erodes with inflation or getting paid in gold which I can then exchange for items whose prices rise over time.<br /><br />Again, I know where you're coming from and I was there once myself, but I've come to believe that the real world money supply should be flexible in times of depression (and to be fair, in times of inflation as well).LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-51602449937601886852013-01-16T17:37:20.843-08:002013-01-16T17:37:20.843-08:00You are sadly mistaken if you think the modern fin...You are sadly mistaken if you think the modern financial economy possesses some sort of objective value.<br /><br />As Paul451 pointed out in prior post, paper currency represents a promissory note backed up by faith in the reputation of the issuer.<br /><br />Currency devaluation is yet another example of such a loss of faith and/or reputation. The untrustworthy borrower (who admits that he can't pay off what he owes in 'old currency') pays off in a 'new currency' which is worth a fraction (maybe 10%) of the original. <br /><br />In other words, currency devaluation is a cheat, fraud and/or breach of trust. <br /><br />The very fact that many believe currency devaluation to be laudable and/or reasonable proves that almost every modern currency (dollar, peso, euro, etc) is only worth what we believe the reputation of the issuer to be worth, leaving us (in other words) with a faith-based economy.<br /><br />The old 'gold standard', despite all its flaws, tied the value of a currency to a set amount of commodity (whether gold, wheat, opium or coffee beans) and provided wage earners, investors & borrowers with a modicum of protection against such a loss of faith and/or reputation.<br /><br />Best.locumranchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-49229049490912478102013-01-16T16:30:12.334-08:002013-01-16T16:30:12.334-08:00I don't see what's wrong with using game t...I don't see what's wrong with using game theory to clarify things; it in no way discounts the Koch brothers, Murdock, The Saudis, etc.. Where I would disagree with with the article is when it states that Republicans have less to lose than in December, that the blame for failure would be shared more equally. It seems that more and more Americans are seeing them as obstructionists, not Obama.<br /><br />On a somewhat similar tangent, we're seeing more partisan bickering on gun issues; what I don't understand is why we're not hearing more about gun safes. Many shootings are accidental, by kids playing with guns, heat of the moment arguments between couples and friends, and from guns stolen from homes. If we can require car owners to buy insurance and have seat belts, why not a law that says, "if you can buy a gun, you can buy a gun safe." it wouldn't prevent all such shootings, but as with seat belts, it would cut down on fatalities. Jonathan Rothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-21896598225500941802013-01-16T15:40:15.927-08:002013-01-16T15:40:15.927-08:00Dr Brin:
Also, nations often get themselves out o...Dr Brin:<br /><i><br />Also, nations often get themselves out of terrible jams by devaluing their currency. It worked so well for Argentina and Brazil that they recovered beautifully. Greece cannot do that because of the Euro. Mistake.<br /><br />Can't do it with gold-based curency!<br /></i><br /><br />"Mistake" for the debtors is a "feature" for the creditors. Why do you think the oligarchs have been not only discouraging monetary expansion (stimulus), but pushing for a return to the gold standard? Even during a Great Depression?LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-13866864267130750002013-01-16T14:34:58.399-08:002013-01-16T14:34:58.399-08:00In case anyone is interested: this article looks a...In case anyone is interested: this article looks at the Argentine devaluation and its economic results.<br /><br />http://www.economonitor.com/blog/2010/06/from-centennial-to-bicentennial-100-years-of-lassitude/<br /><br />In summary: real wages fell more than 20% and didn't recover for years. The economic growth experienced post-devaluation lagged behind that other commodity-based economies in the same period.<br /><br />The current account corrected because most Argentines could no longer afford any non-essential imported items(or in many cases essential imports like medicines) while employers took advantage of the fall in wages to undercut foreign competitors.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739671401151990700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-80906629266397179232013-01-16T13:50:40.729-08:002013-01-16T13:50:40.729-08:00Dr. Brin, you're edging into Conspiracy Theory...Dr. Brin, you're edging into Conspiracy Theory territory again. Given the number of Republican politicians out there, and the gains to be had for squealing on their fellows, a NeoCon Conspiracy would fall apart fairly quickly. What we have here is instead the backlash of change-resistant Americans who elect change-resistant politicians who jimmy the system to ensure their reelection. They cannot negotiate lest they alienate their most diehard supporters who are the ones who vote in primaries.<br /><br />In short, you're talking human nature here, not the actions of a few opportunists who are getting rich off of the change-resistant by feeding them the news diet that they want.<br /><br />Rob H.Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.com