tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post5307201665499054549..comments2024-03-28T20:50:49.311-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Shining light on cyber-secretsDavid Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-36875005023860681572016-11-17T06:14:35.075-08:002016-11-17T06:14:35.075-08:00"Among my list of Proposals for the new admin..."Among my list of Proposals for the new administration, that I'll issue in January, is to tell all citizens that their computers and printers etc may serve as botnet hosts, and that every person will share in tort liability for any major Net Disaster, unless they have at least tried, twice a year, to download a reputable anti-malware program."<br /><br />Does GNU/Linux count as an anti-malware program?Lorrainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13567383019731167967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-27273278176796187912016-11-12T10:08:14.795-08:002016-11-12T10:08:14.795-08:00Okay. Okay. Here it is. For the weekend.
Enjoy?
...Okay. Okay. Here it is. For the weekend.<br /><br />Enjoy?<br /><br />onward<br /><br />onwardDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-10917147330496128892016-11-12T09:09:52.276-08:002016-11-12T09:09:52.276-08:00Paul SB:
As to the victim giving himself shocks, ...Paul SB:<br /><i><br />As to the victim giving himself shocks, a couple years ago there was an experiment I read about in which people were given electric shocks and asked to rate their willingness to experience those shocks again. Most people checked the "Would pay money not to experience those shocks again." Then they were left alone in the room with nothing but a chair, the electric shock device, and nothing else. Many of these subjects began giving themselves shocks - that they had just said they would pay money not to feel again - because they were bored.<br /></i><br /><br />I can actually see myself doing that. :)<br /><br />The rationale would be along these lines--I just checked the box that essentially said "I'm such a coward I would do anything to avoid that situation". Is it <b>really</b> that bad as all that? As I am in complete control--I can stop at any time or any intensity--let's try that again and <b>see</b> if I'm not actually more resilient than I thought.<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15360928767184795142016-11-12T09:02:09.791-08:002016-11-12T09:02:09.791-08:00Flypusher,
Good luck, but tread carefully. It is ...Flypusher,<br /><br />Good luck, but tread carefully. It is dangerous to open wounds so recent they haven't even begun healing. Do the deep breath thing, and avoid rolling eyes at all costs. Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-81621631115528044392016-11-12T08:58:12.143-08:002016-11-12T08:58:12.143-08:00This is kind of funny, but there are some misconce...This is kind of funny, but there are some misconceptions here about the Milgram Experiment. 64 of Milgram's test subjects were willing to turn the dial over into the red zone, but they were not the majority. Most of his subjects, in fact, refused to do so and walked out of the room. But the press focused on those 64 (as did Peter Gabriel) because it was shocking that anyone would go that far.<br /><br />As to the victim giving himself shocks, a couple years ago there was an experiment I read about in which people were given electric shocks and asked to rate their willingness to experience those shocks again. Most people checked the "Would pay money not to experience those shocks again." Then they were left alone in the room with nothing but a chair, the electric shock device, and nothing else. Many of these subjects began giving themselves shocks - that they had just said they would pay money not to feel again - because they were bored. Tell me how you humans are logical beings endowed with great powers of observation and wisdom... Some humans are.<br /><br />You can find references to this experiment easily enough. Here's Scientific American's "60 Second Science" take on it:<br /><br />https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/guys-prefer-electric-shocks-to-boredom/<br /><br />The BBC version goes into more detail:<br />http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28130690Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-64550154058018524002016-11-12T08:30:02.823-08:002016-11-12T08:30:02.823-08:00Flypusher:
Chris Ladd compared it to the Milgram ...Flypusher:<br /><i><br />Chris Ladd compared it to the Milgram experiment:<br /><br />...<br />"Current polling suggests that Milgram’s results may have been too optimistic. An overwhelming majority of Republicans will press a button to unleash mayhem on racial minorities just as willingly as Milgram’s subjects turned a dial to electrocute a test subject."<br /></i><br /><br />I've heard of that experiment, and I get all that, but what we saw in this election would more correspond to the <b>victim</b> in the experiment pressing the button over and over again, giving himself the shocks.<br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-89146909603217219132016-11-12T08:22:59.455-08:002016-11-12T08:22:59.455-08:00"But really--Trump got more of the Latino vot..."But really--Trump got more of the Latino vote than Romney did? Trump won with groups of women? I suppose this shouldn't have been as surprising as it was after Trump won his primary with evangelicals, and after his strongest Republican detractors like Ben Carson and Chris Christie fell shamelessly in line. But I'm in a kind of shock at the moment, realizing that I really don't have a clue what motivates other Americans."- LarryHart<br /><br />Chris Ladd compared it to the Milgram experiment:<br /><br />"Would you be willing to torture a test subject for no reason beyond the request of an apparent authority figure? Would you be willing to hand power to a dangerous demagogue who has promised to persecute minority groups simply to maintain compliance with a party identity or tribal norm? Milgram’s work suggests we should expect only about two-thirds of Republicans to comply with partisan pressures and support an outrageously unqualified and dangerous nominee. Current polling suggests that Milgram’s results may have been too optimistic. An overwhelming majority of Republicans will press a button to unleash mayhem on racial minorities just as willingly as Milgram’s subjects turned a dial to electrocute a test subject."<br /><br /><br />http://politicalorphans.com/can-it-happen-here/<br /><br />It's depressing as hell. Trump is everything an actual practicing Christian should condemn, but so many fell into line for the promise of power. I've yet to speak to the conservative/religious members of my family about this election, because I've been very carefully considering how to broach this without rancor. It's hard because I despise people like Trump so much. I am so hoping that they voted for Johnson or wrote someone else in or abstained. I will be especially disappointed if my parents voted for Trump, because every despicable thing that Trump has said/ done flies in the face of how I was raised. I do not want to have to ask them the question "If I had lied and cheated and bullied people the way Trump has, would you be proud of me?" But my conscience would torment me if they revealed that they voted Trump and I didn't say it. My one glimmer of hope is that my mother has been a Glenn Beck fan and he finally saw the light about Trump and all the vitriol he (Beck) spewed about Obama. Maybe she listened to him. How crazy is it that I'm looking to Beck for hope? <br /><br />Wish me luck tomorrow. Flypusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14657531323848786076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-53679904572764175082016-11-12T08:11:56.439-08:002016-11-12T08:11:56.439-08:00Duncan Cairncross:
The "salesman" has n...Duncan Cairncross:<br /><i><br />The "salesman" has no discernible loyalty to his old paymasters<br /><br />So the "progressives" should grit their teeth get in there and pay HIM to do some of the things that America really needs<br /><br />How much do you think it would cost to bribe our new leader to INCREASE the top tax rate? - as long as HE makes out like a bandit he doesn't care about the other rich bastards<br /><br />It may not even be that expensive if Bill and Obama are asking him as an equal - as an insecure man who inherited his wealth being accepted by men like that would be beyond price<br /><br />He has what he wants - why should he care what the GOP wants??<br /><br />The progressives have one chance - and the window will close very soon<br /></i><br /><br />Now, <b>this</b> I agree with wholeheartedly. Trump takes things personally. The Democrats opposed him because that what opposing parties do, but for the <b>Republican</b> who opposed him even after he was the nominee--I'd suspect he's got some payback in mind.<br /><br />Before the election, I humorously suggested that Trump might put Barack Obama on the Supreme Court just to get back at Ryan and McConnell. I doubt he'd actually go that far, but I wouldn't be surprised for him to be a bull in a china shop to his own party as well as to the Democrats.LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-9682981961906388232016-11-12T08:03:56.389-08:002016-11-12T08:03:56.389-08:00.." but you might note the demonstrations see....." but you might note the demonstrations seem to be having an effect on the Trumpster: over the past 24 hours he's backed on his vow to repeal Obamacare on day one, Pence yesterday dismissed the talk of a wall as "a campaign device".<br /><br />Excuse me. It wasn't Pence who called the Wall a "campaign device." It was Newt Gingrich."- Zepp Jamieson<br /><br />I'm hearing Internet gossip on other forums that some of the 4chan crowd is livid. But I'm not going there to confirm it. Thing is, they can pander to the dregs of the base, or they can back off the extreme promises to placate the protestors. But they can't have both.Flypusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14657531323848786076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-187154276238851262016-11-12T08:01:29.304-08:002016-11-12T08:01:29.304-08:00@Paul451:
During the primary, the criticism of Sa...@Paul451:<br /><i><br />During the primary, the criticism of Sanders by too-clever Dem insiders and their media apologists was that Sanders "only wins amongst rural white men". (Or as they are now known, Republicans.)<br /></i><br /><br />I thought the criticism of Sanders was that he only wins among <b>young</b> voters. My own cynical view on that was that Hillary appeals to voters who actually vote, whereas Sanders appeals to those who don't vote. In a contest of the two, guess who is going to win. <br /><br />Seems that Trump ended up being the one to appeal to voters who actually vote.<br /><br /><i><br />Me: "it's not "rural" "<br /><br />It also wasn't just white men.<br /><br />Clinton polled worse with Latinos than Obama. Not fewer voting, a smaller percentage of those who voted.<br /><br />Against Trump, Clinton couldn't even maintain the Latino vote.<br /><br />Clinton lost amongst non-college educated woman.<br /><br />Against Trump, Clinton couldn't win amongst women.<br /></i><br /><br />I admit that I had no idea how <b>weak</b> a candidate Hillary would be with all of those groups. Had I known that, I would have more fervently wished Bernie had won the nomination instead of being somewhat glad that Hillary did. But as I actually voted for Bernie, nothing real would have been changed by that personal clairvoyance.<br /><br />That also means I'm not too concerned about what Bernie might have done. First of all, it's purely a hypothetical exercise. But even without that--who's to say we're more accurate at predicting <b>that</b> scenario than the real one?<br /><br />But really--Trump got more of the <b>Latino</b> vote than Romney did? Trump won with groups of <b>women</b>? I suppose this shouldn't have been as surprising as it was after Trump won his primary with evangelicals, and after his strongest Republican detractors like Ben Carson and Chris Christie fell shamelessly in line. But I'm in a kind of shock at the moment, realizing that I really don't have a clue what motivates other Americans.<br /><br />The one thing I feel objectively that American voters are factually wrong about is that the notion of wanting "change" is directed solely at the presidency. The policies that they are against are exactly the kind of thing you <b>do</b> get when you put Republicans in charge. The Republican congress is more responsible for the plight of the working class than the president is. By giving Republicans the entirety of the federal government, those voters are rewarding the behavior that they ostensibly voted against, while also insuring that the policies they ostensibly voted against will continue. As I said previously, I don't begrudge them their right to rue the day, but I believe they will do so.<br /><br />LarryHartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-29595360720494344352016-11-12T07:48:21.472-08:002016-11-12T07:48:21.472-08:00Excuse me. It wasn't Pence who called the Wal...Excuse me. It wasn't Pence who called the Wall a "campaign device." It was Newt Gingrich.Zepp Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16261339498383415026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-34932056539705494602016-11-12T07:41:11.035-08:002016-11-12T07:41:11.035-08:00Paul451:
" Burning the American flag?"
W...Paul451:<br />" Burning the American flag?"<br />What percentage of demonstators are doing that? A dozen out of a million, perhaps? Are you seriously trying to depict anyone who sees Trump as a disaster as a flag-burner?<br />"Nothing helps Trumps ascendency like that image of those pathetic losers burning the American flag."<br />Yeah, apparently you are. I'm not burning any flags, and you're talking to me. Keep it honest.<br />"They are merely a demonstration of impotent rage, reinforcing the sense of the unstoppability of Trump, like every failed protest and smear against Trump during the campaign. All they've done is entrench Trump's power."<br />Republicans love to chant "Resistance is Futile" every time they win or steal and election, but you might note the demonstrations seem to be having an effect on the Trumpster: over the past 24 hours he's backed on his vow to repeal Obamacare on day one, Pence yesterday dismissed the talk of a wall as "a campaign device". Zepp Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16261339498383415026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-79337667373635884772016-11-12T07:12:50.452-08:002016-11-12T07:12:50.452-08:00I hope Dr. Brin has something good in the works fo...I hope Dr. Brin has something good in the works for the next post, because I am not feeling very hopeful right now. I haven’t had a good night’s sleep since this nightmare unfolded. Mike Pence is an anti-science no-nothing, and he is going to have a lot of power. I fear for scientific research, and I fear for the damage to this planet that will likely ramp up with the EPA functionally gutted.<br /><br />As for the protests; the “Dump Trump” angle is useless. IF the Electoral College was actually functioning as the Founders intended, as a mechanism to weed out an unfit person, then they would vote for Clinton. But they won’t; it’s a rubber stamp. However, there is a better theme for protest. Trump has promised to do many things that are morally objectionable. So it’s better base your protests on:<br /><br />You have promised to/said you support: 1) War crimes (torture/murder/resource theft), 2) sinking another nation’s naval vessel for the grave offensive of an obscene gesture 3) proliferation of nuclear weapons 4) Pulling out of NATO 5) Building a wall on the Southern border 6) Discrimination against people based on their religion 7) Weakening the 1st Amendment (changes in libel laws) 8) Weakening the 4th Amendment (bring back “stop & frisk”) 9) Rounding up and deporting people who have came in illegally to work, but demanding no sanction/ punishment of those who hire under the table(which is why I call racism on this one) 10) Encouraged hate groups and you have not sufficiently distanced yourself from them…..<br />(Plenty more for others to fill in)<br /><br />These things are morally unacceptable to us. As long as you promote this agenda, we will NOT reach out to you, we will not work with you, and we will oppose you by all possible legal means.<br />Flypusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14657531323848786076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-7982278429982958302016-11-12T06:55:03.358-08:002016-11-12T06:55:03.358-08:00Years ago great swaths of the Appalachian mountain...Years ago great swaths of the Appalachian mountains were dying from acid rain, found to be caused by sulfur from coal power plants. There was no other solution but to stop it. So the regulations went into effect. However, Eastern coal would be completely out of the picture and cleaner Western coal would be cheaper to deal with.<br /><br />So the federal government in order to save some jobs mandated scrubbers and its continued use and the now uneconomical coal was saved. It was still uneconomical.<br /><br />Eastern coal would have died years ago otherwise.<br /><br />But they still hate the government.<br /><br />This is an example of what stupid people don't know. We know how they voted. Jumperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794110173836133321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-7720857338462425502016-11-12T06:39:52.101-08:002016-11-12T06:39:52.101-08:00Here I thought Jeff wasn't doing anything more...Here I thought Jeff wasn't doing anything more than riffing off the old Don Adams series, "Get Smart."<br />"Chief, he used the old 'I am too crazy to be president' ploy!"Zepp Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16261339498383415026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-13909625318915891202016-11-12T05:35:37.233-08:002016-11-12T05:35:37.233-08:00My endorsement of Clinton has never been more than...My endorsement of Clinton has never been more than lukewarm - the lesser evil approach. But no matter who the Democrats throw out, there are always enough Republicans in the legislature to block everything they try to do. It is obvious that the Repugnant Party is not willing to serve the nation, they put party before country, and have been doing that long before the Hastert Rule. Hastert just came out and said what the Gingrich Congress started. Blaming the Democrats for partisan gridlock and electing the party responsible for creating that gridlock isn't going to solve our financial woes. The super rich having been laughing it up to the bank since the Reagan Administration, the Democrats have mostly been fighting the wrong battles with the wrong ideas. Neither party is good for the country, but people are just too stupid to look past the propaganda, too unwilling to try anything different, too fatalistic to really go for a different party than our big two, and yes, bigotry appeals a lot more to conservatives than to liberals. Most of the people who voted Trump are not bigots, but it only takes a small minority of deplorables to dominate a majority that is unwilling to make an effort. History has shown this time and time again, whether it's Hitler scapegoating the Jews or Cromwell going after the Catholics.<br /><br />The big question is, how much will Trump do to placate those bigots who elected him? Will he try to get an amendment to the Constitution to repeal the 19th? I doubt it. Will he get judges appointed to benches who always favor corporations over the rights of citizens? I have no doubt of that. <br /><br />And will the Democrats learn the lesson, or will they just keep trying to pander to the same base? Will we be plunged into another world war to pump up the economy and improve Trump's approval rating? W. almost took us down that road with Iraq, and even not going full steam ahead and damn the terrorists, look at the result? How far will Trump go? The Republicans won't try to stop him. The Democrats will, and they will cry outrage. But if Trump gets the roads running, like Hitler did, the people will ignore the protests of scapegoated minorities, while gorging themselves on eels (reference to "The Tin Drum").Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-55701264574289042732016-11-12T05:34:55.565-08:002016-11-12T05:34:55.565-08:00Paul 451,
Pretty much everything you have written...Paul 451,<br /><br />Pretty much everything you have written up here are points I have made in this forum over the years, though not all at once, in one coherent message (and obviously not the bit about burning the flag, since that is a recent development, and one I consider equally shameful, and yet another example of pendular motion). <br /><br />In the last 40 years the rich have gotten much, much richer and the average Joe/Josephine - relative to the value of money/goods today - has gotten much more poor. When I graduated from high school, the minimum wage was $3.15/hour, and while you could not live comfortably on that, you could survive long enough to get through college so you could then get a better-paying job. If you didn't go the college route, you had a long and hard road trying to climb up from zero-skill, dime-a-dozen easily let go nobody to someone valuable enough to not be in constant terror of your job. Today you can't make it. Too many things have changed to make life much harder for the average person.<br /><br />But who wrought those changes? The Reagan Administration. Who keeps reinforcing those changes, and supporting them with horseshoe propagandas? The Republicans. It has been blatantly obvious for decades now that the Republican Party is not the party of Lincoln, or even of the first Roosevelt, it is the party of the rich. Any vote for the Republicans is a vote for the rich, and a vote to screw the majority of the people. <br /><br />Now Trump was never really a Republican. He is a self-serving con artist, and the number of Republican leaders who turned against him makes that clear. As a good con artist, he knows how to manipulate people. The economic issues are very similar to what they were in Germany in 1932 (much more acute, really), and he used very much the same tactics that Hitler used in 1932. Are we supposed to expect any better results than what Hitler got?<br /><br />Yes, it's the Economy, Stupid. And no, I don't have a whole lot of confidence in the Democrats. I never have. But given the choice of continuing as we have been, with the economy slowly grinding us down but at least we have legal rights, or going with a strong man dictator who will take us down the path of fascism, I would much rather gamble on someone in the Dumbocratic Party figuring it out and making those reforms to the economy to get us back on track without resorting to scapegoating, pogroms, secret police raids against anyone who disagrees with Der Führer and so forth. <br />Paul SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-16675548619685324202016-11-12T00:12:04.517-08:002016-11-12T00:12:04.517-08:00There is a very real disconnect between the "...<i>There is a very real disconnect between the "American Economy" and the economy of ordinary Americans.</i><br /><br />True. It's something that's been long overdue for a fix. Indeed, if I recall the analyses of the time correctly, it was at the root of the GFC.<br /><br />... and yet, the lower wage brackets predominately voted Clinton.Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-38627242991360612922016-11-11T23:34:23.809-08:002016-11-11T23:34:23.809-08:00Bill Maher tonight ended his show placing a blue h...Bill Maher tonight ended his show placing a blue hat on his head. Thought for a second it was a Union kepi.Rocky Persaudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02966159044771053090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-63318835346180855102016-11-11T23:14:11.494-08:002016-11-11T23:14:11.494-08:00Yeah Locum, we've suddenly entered the timelin...Yeah Locum, we've suddenly entered the timeline where the Confederacy wins, and the crazy blue rebs try to take down the Union. A non-skeptical person would say that we've witnessed an incredible act of thaumaturgy, or a divine intervention.Treebeardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-11392023391370351312016-11-11T22:56:35.068-08:002016-11-11T22:56:35.068-08:00After just one political loss, the progressive Uni...<br />After just one political loss, the progressive Union Kepi-wearing contingent is ready & willing to scrap the Union, the Electoral College, the 12th Amendment and the US Constitution in order to ensure their futurological dominance, using an illogical tactic known as 'destroying the village to save it'.<br /><br />Backwards thinking, this is, analogous to arguing that a civilisation that desires to remain dominant & avoid irrelevancy is "future-oriented". Living in the past (and/or 'ending history'), this is, because a futurological orientation is most concerned with what-comes-after the present civilisation becomes superfluous.<br /><br />These are logical fallacies:<br /><br />(1) That Inequality-based Merit can coexist with Equality;<br />(2) That Race-based Identity Politics can eliminate Racism; and<br />(3) That Secrecy-based Security can survive Transparency.*<br /><br /><br />Best<br />______<br />*The working man got shafted the moment he believed this self-contradictory shite.locumranchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-90396722649533204612016-11-11T22:12:55.528-08:002016-11-11T22:12:55.528-08:00I agree totally with Paul451
That was one of the ...I agree totally with Paul451<br /><br />That was one of the main reasons I didn't stay in the USA<br /><br />Back in 2001 I could see that the working man had been shafted - and I expected him to eventually realize that and then there would troubleduncan cairncrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153725128216947145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-74023341199701920832016-11-11T22:12:05.770-08:002016-11-11T22:12:05.770-08:00Me: "It's got nothing to do with their &q...Me: <i>"It's got nothing to do with their "way of life". "</i><br /><br /><br />- "Oh, that looks nice."<br />= "Mmm, yes it is, here have some."<br />- "No I couldn't..."<br />= "Go on, there's plenty. Help yourself."<br /><br /><br />A prosperous nation tends towards liberalism, progressiveness, tolerance. Gender equality, racial equality, path to citizenship, marriage equality, etc... They are not things that take-<i>away</i> from what white heterosexual men have... unless...<br /><br />Have you ever seen a prisoner eating? You know, maximum security, hard time. They hunker down, arms around the tray, utensils held in fists, eating fast without taking their eyes off the people around them, in a constant fight-or-flight state. Mine. My food. If you touch my food, if you come near me, so help me, I will fucking kill you.<br /><br />When you feel safe, in abundance, you don't hesitate to share with those around you. Hell, you want to share good things, it makes you feel good (and it seems to be an innate part of wealth-display.)<br /><br />When you feel unsafe, like no-one can be trusted, like you are going backwards, you guard what little you have left with the mindless savagery of a trapped animal. Or a prisoner doing hard-time, surrounded by constant threat. There's no rationality behind the reaction, it's angry and ugly and stupid, but it's natural and inevitable, and very very real.<br /><br />The bigotry is not the disease, it is a symptom of the disease. The disease is the <i>decades</i> of economic betrayal.<br /><br />It's The Economy Stupid.<br /><br />So why are those cultural issues so important to them? <br /><br />Because it's <i>all they have left</i>.<br /><br />Obama seemed to understand this, but even he talked <i>about</i> them, rather than <i>to</i> them. Hillary Clinton didn't seem to see them at all. And her apologists just treated them like shit that had gotten on their $600 shoes.<br /><br />After the 1992 election, but before the Lewinsky scandal, lazy Bill Clinton impersonators had a go-to phrase, in Clinton's distinctive Southern drawl: "I feel your pain".<br /><br />The promise of the Reagan era had faltered and collapsed. In spite of giving the Republicans 12 years in office, the dream seemed further away than ever.<br /><br />In the midst of that, Bill Clinton went around the country and met with groups of voters and held their hands, looked them in the eye and said, "I feel your pain."<br /><br />Okay, no he didn't. But that was the feeling of the campaign, captured by that one line.<br /><br />And people came to listen to him, and then they voted for him. (Twice.)<br /><br />It's The Economy Stupid.Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-51675186242441855232016-11-11T22:09:01.477-08:002016-11-11T22:09:01.477-08:00Kevin Drum has an article
The Selling of America
...Kevin Drum has an article<br />The Selling of America<br /><br />But he misses the point <br /><br />The "salesman" has no discernible loyalty to his old paymasters<br /><br />So the "progressives" should grit their teeth get in there and pay HIM to do some of the things that America really needs<br /><br />How much do you think it would cost to bribe our new leader to INCREASE the top tax rate? - as long as HE makes out like a bandit he doesn't care about the other rich bastards<br /><br />It may not even be that expensive if Bill and Obama are asking him as an equal - as an insecure man who inherited his wealth being accepted by men like that would be beyond price<br /><br />He has what he wants - why should he care what the GOP wants??<br /><br />The progressives have one chance - and the window will close very soon<br />duncan cairncrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153725128216947145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-65987271271182615402016-11-11T22:04:17.908-08:002016-11-11T22:04:17.908-08:00Me: "it's not "rural" "
I...Me: <i>"it's not "rural" "</i><br /><br />It also wasn't just white men.<br /><br />Clinton polled worse with Latinos than Obama. Not fewer voting, a smaller percentage of those who voted.<br /><br />Against Trump, Clinton couldn't even <i>maintain</i> the Latino vote.<br /><br />Clinton <i>lost</i> amongst non-college educated woman.<br /><br />Against Trump, Clinton couldn't win amongst women.<br /><br />But the too-clever media have their new buzzword: Whitelash.Paul451https://www.blogger.com/profile/12119086761190994938noreply@blogger.com