tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post5004592746231637520..comments2024-03-29T06:22:47.638-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: A "process" matter that is actually life-or-death for the U.S.... and the U.K.David Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-74279531575097254442019-03-23T16:04:51.525-07:002019-03-23T16:04:51.525-07:00Okay, I posted about this.
onward
onwardOkay, I posted about this.<br /><br />onward<br /><br />onwardDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-85735220584401208202019-03-23T14:49:58.275-07:002019-03-23T14:49:58.275-07:00Hey, Doc, three things.
First, you have mentioned...Hey, Doc, three things.<br /><br />First, you have mentioned the Needles of SUNDIVER in you blog several times. I just want to say that in the book I read, it was unclear if they were platforms, or geo-synchronous towers, or something else. Which makes me wonder:<br /><br /> Was my copy (original paperback) abridged in some way, or;<br /> Was the idea never really developed in your mind until later, or;<br /> Were some critical sentences left on the editing room floor, for whatever reason?<br /><br />Having seen the effort you put into all your works, I would put money on number three.<br /><br />Second, I bought myself a Kindle for Xmas and have been slowly loading up my old favorites. Got THE POSTMAN. Do you know if any other of your works will go on sale? (I don't mean to be cheap, I bought them all once already!)<br /><br />Third, thanks for the link to Extra History. I just wasted my entire afternoon down that rabbit hole.;>Smurphsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-22286076657921191342019-03-23T14:22:32.255-07:002019-03-23T14:22:32.255-07:00Sorry, I have to return to this malarkey: " T...Sorry, I have to return to this malarkey: " Think of the Moon as one giant asteroid with enough gravity to make industrial and mining processes an order of magnitude easier to accomplish. With space elevators (you don't need exotic materials when to build an elevator on the Moon), the Moon can become our industrial zone and shipyard at much less cost than the Belt."<br /><br />Half of the asteroids came from a shattered proto planet. Some come from its carbon-volatiles-water rich out part. Some from the stony middle and many from the purified metal/iron/gold core. Pre-refined metal! Tell me again how we can " Think of the Moon as one giant asteroid"? It is diametrically opposite to true.<br /><br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-58424604537704866002019-03-23T14:19:19.437-07:002019-03-23T14:19:19.437-07:00DD - Isaac Arthur is a smart and informative guy. ...DD - Isaac Arthur is a smart and informative guy. But in this case he sells an utter cock n' bull story. He says the lunar crust has more Helium 3... Yippee! More as in like ten parts per billion instead on one part. No customers and no feasible method for harvesting and in absurdly diffuse amounts. He spends the whole time waving his arms about resources without giving any of the actual numbers, which devastate his position.<br /><br />Other than some polar ice and maybe some scattered meteoritic iron. there ain't squat. The aluminum and silicon is in super tight oxygen bonds. As for the other "ores" well the moon started depleted because it came from our Earth crust and then is fractionated more! When molten, its melted settled into it's own core. As for what was left, there were no water processes which concentrated ores on Earth. It's utter bull.<br /><br />Fun stuff and folks should watch it! But notice he just waves away any need to justify the "lunar resources" bullshit.<br /><br /><br /><br /> David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-73757097130514066232019-03-23T13:04:21.428-07:002019-03-23T13:04:21.428-07:00Dr. Brin: "pile all our efforts into one ster...Dr. Brin: "pile all our efforts into one sterile basket, for no benefit whatsoever"<br /><br />You might change your mind about the usefulness of the Moon after watching this video. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGcvv3683Os<br /><br />Mining the asteroids? Think of the Moon as one giant asteroid with enough gravity to make industrial and mining processes an order of magnitude easier to accomplish. With space elevators (you don't need exotic materials when to build an elevator on the Moon), the Moon can become our industrial zone and shipyard at much less cost than the Belt.<br /><br />P.S. I highly recommend all of Isaac Arthur's' videos.DPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07087941506162882852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-19889980485035133182019-03-23T12:19:48.793-07:002019-03-23T12:19:48.793-07:00Citizens United, and Barack Obama's tepid resp...Citizens United, and Barack Obama's tepid response to it, plunged me into a near-clinical depression for a year or two.<br /><br />Keith Olbermann's special comment when that decision came down is worth a look. It's <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZKETizybw" rel="nofollow">hyperbolic, overwrought, doomy, gloomy, and mostly accurate, I think.</a>TCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08153506222271955110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-87770674624459057012019-03-23T12:13:20.967-07:002019-03-23T12:13:20.967-07:00Apropos nothing, I want to note that on Bill Maher...Apropos nothing, I want to note that on Bill Maher's show this weekend, he essentially admitted that his notion that the current generation of teenagers says, "Fuck you, Mom!" comes from movies and tv. No surprise there that the caricature doesn't match real life. He might know that if he didn't make a point of avoiding children whenever possible.<br /><br />Hey, I'm a fan, and before I was married, I didn't have a high opinion of parenthood either, so it's not like I don't understand the guy wanting to keep clear of kids. But when he then goes and pontificates on what those kids are like, he sounds like Treebeard explaining characters in a book he proudly never read.Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-13161881035678143832019-03-23T09:56:12.583-07:002019-03-23T09:56:12.583-07:00One asteroid mission is proposed to throw a baggie...One asteroid mission is proposed to throw a baggie around one of the "wet" asteroids and let sunlight evaporate water that can be collected and turned into rocket fuel . That is from one mission. Yes, many new technologies are needed. But useful profit can come one mission at a time.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-39644953409979660912019-03-23T09:21:16.363-07:002019-03-23T09:21:16.363-07:00Heh... https://www.scry.cloud crowd-science to p...Heh... https://www.scry.cloud crowd-science to predict the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-4692353172754404772019-03-23T08:14:47.565-07:002019-03-23T08:14:47.565-07:00progressbot: "I only heard, but never read. S...progressbot: "I only heard, but never read. So what?"<br /><br />1) Clarke lived in Sri Lanka<br />2) the novel was based 90% on a fictional Ceylon / Sri Lanka<br />3) it won the Nebula and Hugo awards<br />4) my friend is a materials science physicist<br /><br />Mike Willhttp://scidata.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-86262345137516668472019-03-23T08:08:06.023-07:002019-03-23T08:08:06.023-07:00\\Progressbot, are you returning to taking everyth...\\Progressbot, are you returning to taking everything as an insult?<br /><br />You asked it just after I properly stated it higher "I'm not taking it as an insult."?<br /><br />But still, it's outrageous... in terms of assessment of mental capabilities and education of the opponent.<br />That's why I wondering -- what it was about? Or it is some ams habit/custom I still do not aware?<br /><br />As you know. And I'm not once did stated it clearly. It's too dificult to me -- to read intonation/emotions from English text.<br /><br />Well, as well as it evidantly not easy to you -- to see what kind of emotions are in my Runglish texts. There was no "taking everything as an insult" at all... only some playfull irony and a bit of mild sarcasm.<br /><br /><br />\\You seem to think asteroids are all beyond Mars, in the Belt. Many are closer and easier to get to - by energy - than the moon’s surface.<br /><br />Still, to lassoing one and to process it properly -- we need space industry, and not some mere humans in tin cans...<br />And to have space industry, we need to lower cost of delivery stuff on/from orbit drasticly.<br />And do you have another good realistic idea, better then space lift for that?<br />And how long you ready to wait for it, even thought that such industry/tech is already at our grasp, not in some distant future of warp drives and light saber? (see, it's playfull remark... warn me, if it by some reason looks as attempt of insult, so I could properly re-eveluate my texting)<br /><br /><br />\\We could be making things… fuel, structures, out of materials NOT hauled out of Earth’s deep gravity well… or luna’s moderately expensive one.<br /><br />To make things... we need yet more things. That's how our surface industry working.<br />To make a needle/pin, we need all that mining excavators -> tossing tons of raw minerals into mining tracks -> delivered to enormous metalurgycal plants and so on.<br />We cannot afford such thing on the orbit, on the Moon, nowhere in space.<br /><br />We need whole new and different kind of industry/bunch of techs... to Conquer Space for real.<br /><br /><br />>> Mike Will said...<br />\\Clarke's "Fountains of Paradise" (space elevator masterpiece). He had never heard of it !<br /><br />And I only heard, but never read. So what?<br />Well, I read "Meet with Rama".progressbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-85281051301278678702019-03-23T07:54:02.529-07:002019-03-23T07:54:02.529-07:00A few years ago, I told a Sri Lankan friend about ...A few years ago, I told a Sri Lankan friend about Clarke's "Fountains of Paradise" (space elevator masterpiece). He had never heard of it !Mike Willhttp://scidata.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-58086922070548438882019-03-23T07:30:14.250-07:002019-03-23T07:30:14.250-07:00yana: “The people want it, all people, then some f...yana: “The people want it, all people, then some future politician will exploit it, and then we'll get it done far faster, than waiting for some conglom to dev proprietary tech to mine a subset of asteroids which are of a suitable height and width, to be girdled by standard aluminum comports, thus to be attired identically.”<br /><br />Bah, we went to the moon for “the people” in the 60s and it did not maintain momentum. We left. Because it was national pride. And Pride and tourism will propel China, India, Russia and some billionaires to do their moon thing. So “humanity” will go to the moon. Accomplishing little other than checking off some boxes.<br /><br />You seem to think asteroids are all beyond Mars, in the Belt. Many are closer and easier to get to - by energy - than the moon’s surface. We could be making things… fuel, structures, out of materials NOT hauled out of Earth’s deep gravity well… or luna’s moderately expensive one.<br /><br />yana wants us to pile all our efforts into one sterile basket, for no benefit whatsoever. Let the Chinese have it for a while! Humanity will get a wimpy-expensive moon base and I don’t give a crap if it’s Chinese, since the stuff we’ll be doing will leave them literally in a cloud of valuable dust.<br /><br />Tony, the inflated, high pressure towers that let balloons lift cargo very high, are the “Needles” I refer to in SUNDIVER.<br /><br />Progressbot, are you returning to taking everything as an insult? That was a mistake before and it is a mistake now.<br /><br />When you feel you are being insulted, STOP! Calm down. It probably is not true.<br /><br />You have many interesting things to say. That is not one of them.<br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-75759921578730256502019-03-23T07:08:11.388-07:002019-03-23T07:08:11.388-07:00>> Tony Fisk said...
Thank you for prompt a...>> Tony Fisk said...<br /><br />Thank you for prompt answer. Its appreciated. But.<br /><br />...dismissed it as impracticable...<br />...was a tower...<br />...skyhook...<br />...problem is material strength...<br /><br />Well... but why you repeat *The**Same* what I myself already clearly stated?<br />For some additional historical background, thank you.<br /><br /><br />\\Addendum: gas balloons float because they weigh less than the surrounding medium.<br />\\Vacuum weighs nothing...<br /><br />That one almost outrageous. Like you are counting me for imbecile, that don't know physics even to that extent. :)) Well, it's just remark. I'm not taking it as an insult. But if such was purpose, please be more subtle in your approaches. ;)<br /><br />\\There is no material that can withstand atmospheric pressure at the required thinness to allow a sphere to float.<br /><br />There just need to be something which produce pressure from within. Care to imagine what that could be? Or your strong point is quotes from old scriptures... not imagination. :P<br /><br />\\In conclusion, Earth is a borderline proposition for a space elevator, but one should be readily achievable for either the Moon or Mars (the problems there are a bit different.)<br /><br />Yeap. But we need one for Earth first. Chicken and egg problem.<br /><br /><br />Thank you for Good Point. Of course, that "balloon tower" can be rised only in the atmosphere... I think till 20 km something (as the highest balloon provably was launched)<br />and further it must be something else.<br />Of course I do not think of Sky Tower till the LEO. :)<br /><br />We need just to go out of main body of Earth gas pillow. And higher we can use space slingshots, with more and more and more speed and higher altitude.<br /><br />As such... it need to be continuous system, which send stuff into space and receive cargo from it non-stop, by recuperating energy in pulling more load into space. But... isn't that the whole point in "Conquer the Space" idea?<br /><br />And it need tight planning and computer control over it. But isn't we already know how to do such stuff?progressbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-37948472638155262302019-03-23T06:27:20.945-07:002019-03-23T06:27:20.945-07:00Addendum: gas balloons float because they weigh le...Addendum: gas balloons float because they weigh less than the surrounding medium. Vacuum weighs nothing, so using gas balloons on a space tower only gets you so far up, even the ones originally envisaged by Francesco Lana di Terzi.*<br /><br />That said, our host has some ideas about inflatable towers.<br /><br />* in 1670, knowing about displacement, but not hydrogen or helium, Lana imagined being buoyed up by evacuated copper spheres. A brilliant concept that, like space elevators, falls just on the wrong side of feasibilty. There is no material that can withstand atmospheric pressure at the required thinness to allow a sphere to float.Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-87593693401022950172019-03-23T05:58:55.277-07:002019-03-23T05:58:55.277-07:00@ProgressBot
As you say, a lift into space is an ...@ProgressBot<br /><br />As you say, a lift into space is an old idea, first envisaged by Konstantin Tsiokolvsky in the 1890s, and given some firm engineering foundations by Yuri Artsutonov in 1960. Both were Russian. Prior to learning of their work, Arthur C Clarke claims to have toyed with the idea, but had dismissed it as impracticable (other than in SF stories!)<br /><br />The original idea was a tower, built to the stationary orbit, and beyond so that some stabilising tension could be applied. Later on, other ideas included a skyhook: a cable lowered from orbit, and a rotor: whose ends briefly match with the Earth's surface and rotational speed.<br /><br />The problem is material strength. This could be alleviated by having a tapering cable, but other considerations make a non-tapering cable preferable. Another option to cut down on forces due to wind shear is to have the base floating in the stratosphere, providing just enough weight to tension the cable.<br /><br />There *is* one material that is thought to have the necessary strength, but carbon nanotubes have yet to be produced in bulk.<br /><br />In conclusion, Earth is a borderline proposition for a space elevator, but one should be readily achievable for either the Moon or Mars (the problems there are a bit different.)Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-74060322168627755392019-03-23T03:34:03.678-07:002019-03-23T03:34:03.678-07:00. . . << How to buid The Lift Into.... . . << How to buid The Lift Into Space? >><br /><br />It is relatively old idea. That if we'd take sufficiently long wire... like from the ground to geostationary orbit (and a little bit further, so it'll be naturally tightened, like in carousel). We could use it as elevation system to rise and down something from/to space orbit. And it'll be way cheaper, more ecologically friendly and the most importance -- mass-transported.<br /><br />But there is a catch, known to engineers from the very start. There is *no* such material. Even the best steel can give a wire about 10 km long. Any longer and it'll rip under its own weight.<br /><br />Well, we can reach not to geostationary, but some low orbit at least.<br />For that we'd need some monumental structure -- a tower from the ground and into the sky.<br /><br />But the highest building we can build with current tech is around 1 km. And that is not cheap one. So, even if we'd stretch our imagination and will try to build it on the top of biggest mountains, use strongest, most innovate materials known today... we still can't have it done.<br /><br />So why I started to blubber about it? Because, "You think too shallow, son." (c) Walter Christie ;)<br /><br />Another word, if idea looks impossible it's just mean that one placed not enough thinking, not enough imagination, not enough engineering ingenuity in it.<br /><br />What's the problem? There is no material strong enough to make km and km of ropes and poles?<br />But it's only if we trying to make it grandpa ways. ;)<br />What If we'd use gas baloons to support the weight of such construction?<br />It'll remove that strict need of super-materials.<br /><br />Of course, it rises lots of engineering questions... but, isn't today, where we have all that computers and etc, we can put that strenght into real use?PROGRESSbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-27534842008633698412019-03-23T03:30:18.943-07:002019-03-23T03:30:18.943-07:00Alfred Differ thought:
"At the goal of makin...<br />Alfred Differ thought:<br /><br />"<i>At the goal of making this a space-faring civilization, we ARE winning.</i>"<br /><br />We haven't been on any other rock for +45 years. When considered alongside the fact that a speedy rock could approach at some angle, at any time, and destroy most of the animals on Eurasia, current efforts seem ineffectual.<br /><br />Because the moon is resource-poor, this is not a realistic thing for a company which relies on profit. This is what cleaves public works from private works. In my opinion, this would be the last thing we have to do through the collectivism of government direction, as inefficient as that method normally is. After this one thing, we survive, to relax and let whatever-ism take over.<br /><br />David Brin thought:<br /><br />"<i>let everyone else go to the moon out of pride, while we and Japan and some tech guys go where ONLY we can go, to get humanity rich.<br /> Think. That way humanity will do both.</i>"<br /><br />Yes, i understand. If we focus the profit motive on Mars and the Belt, then it will happen organically, colonization of the moon, no extra effort required and all paid for by the corps making bigger money farther out.<br /><br />Simply, this strategy exposes all life on earth to unnecessary risk. The farther the goal, the longer it will take to reach and the more wasted time. We know that, on any day, we might spot a big speedy rock which will wipe out all the animals in Africa two days hence.<br /><br />It is important to get off this planet, in numbers, and as fast as we can, to the quickest place which is not-earth. After that, most of our scifi turns the corner from thoughtfun to possibility.<br /><br />Alfred Differ thought:<br /><br />"<i>I’ve been in this since the mid-90’s and some of my peers have been in since the mid-80’s.</i>"<br /><br />That's a confession, admitting that a quarter of your century has gone by, one third for some of your cohorts, half a lifespan, and still no people on another orbit to show for it. You can't learn by watching, you can't learn by listening. Any honors received as an educator were due to remembering the core of knowledge: it resides in our hands. Learn by doing, not by being shown how to do. <br /><br />There is no evolutionary reason for us to have brains like this, we can outwit any competing predator with 80% of our grays tied behind our backs. It's not metaphysics which calls us outward, it's just simple logic. If we can, it helps us survive, duh. The faster we do it, then the better our chances. But we have to, you know, we have to <b>do</b> it some times, before we can learn how to do better.<br /><br />This is why we have to send a stream of payloads to the moon, as soon as possible. No private profit can come of it, yet it is the most important thing we need to do, to survive as a species. Politically, it's possible that this could be the last thing that we need governments for.<br /><br />No lucrative reason for it, heaving tanks of water and soil up to the moon. I understand the cost of escape velocity. It doesn't make economic sense, and that's why it has to be government, not private investment, which saves the human race.<br /><br />Luckily, the emerging groupthink method is natively in favor of healthy ecology, so we can interpret that as an expression of survival instinct, and infer that the message "we have to get off this rock" has a similar, yet untapped, political resonance. Try it. Set up a crowdfund for getting people the heck off earth. You'll raise an as$load of money.<br /><br />The people want it, all people, then some future politician will exploit it, and then we'll get it done far faster, than waiting for some conglom to dev proprietary tech to mine a subset of asteroids which are of a suitable height and width, to be girdled by standard aluminum comports, thus to be attired identically.yananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-81617600344482105902019-03-22T21:34:12.233-07:002019-03-22T21:34:12.233-07:00Mr. Revile who taught you that method – barging in...Mr. Revile who taught you that method – barging into another man’s thread and whining - would bear fruit? Has it ever worked for you? You might start by offering me reason why your showing up here with an absurd grudge should inspire anything in me other than ennui. <br /><br />Okay, after yawning and showing good judgment by ignoring this fellow a while, curiosity eventually got the better of me and I looked. Egad, this confederate shill of traitors and KGB agents has come back for more? Okay, make it worth my while, fellah. Have your attorney write to me with confirmation you’ve escrowed $10,000 for wagers. Instead of whingeing, mewling whimpers for an apology, if you’re so sure of yourself take… my… money!<br /><br />Even today, one thing stands: real men take wagers. Shrill blowhards avoid them. So step up! Have your lawyer inform me that you have escrowed $10,000 for wagers and named a retired conservative judge who can rule on detailed wording and final outcome. I’ll name a “liberal" and they can name a libertarian retired judge. I require the escrow because I know you are a blowhard and hence I will spend no time on you without cash on the table. Come on, if you're so sure of that confederate nonsense, then make a bet and take my money!<br /><br />Climate Change. Russian election interference. Or let’s bet over whether your cult wages open war on every fact-using profession. Science, teaching, journalism, civil service, medicine… and now the “deep state” men and women in intel, law and the military who saved us from Hitler, Stalin and Osama. Your cult wages war on all of them.<br /><br />Stand by your grand declarations! Show your confidence by having the guts to offer real wagers. Have your lawyer contact me about those stakes and finding trustworthy, classically conservative but grownup judges. <br /><br />Oh but you succeeded in your aim, getting me to waste a couple of minutes of lifespan modifying (just for you!) my standard dare.<br />yawnDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-36514391857760504962019-03-22T20:16:46.547-07:002019-03-22T20:16:46.547-07:00Tim H
The safety features were not software awaiti...Tim H<br />The safety features were not software awaiting an update but additional cost hardware<br /><br />IMHO if the company decided that having a warning light that tells the pilot of a specific problem is an "Option" and then two planes crash because the pilot did not have that warning the company is responsibleduncan cairncrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153725128216947145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-49559719281635313582019-03-22T19:12:31.727-07:002019-03-22T19:12:31.727-07:00My understanding on the 737 MAX software update is... My understanding on the 737 MAX software update is that the government shutdown provoked by Fox news delayed it for a month, so not really comparable to Pinto fuel tanks, which were demonstrably safer than those on the Falcon and it"s derivatives. For a dark laugh, next time you see a classic Mustang at some little car show, ask if you can look under the trunk mat, then marvel at the top of the fuel tank. Tim H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44378696507557673362019-03-22T18:52:34.305-07:002019-03-22T18:52:34.305-07:00@Paul Revile,
Do you need some help returning to ...@Paul Revile,<br /><br />Do you need some help returning to your home dimension? You seem to be from the imaginary parallel Earth in which everything FOX News says is actually the truth.<br /><br />Our earth might have developed closely in parallel with your own, but there are some crucial differences you seem to be unaware of.Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-37727747734981542422019-03-22T18:51:06.449-07:002019-03-22T18:51:06.449-07:00Paul, Duncan is correct. Donnie lies - it's wh...Paul, Duncan is correct. Donnie lies - it's what he does, it's what he's <i>always</i> done since he started off as a slumlord in New York.<br /><br />If you're trying to make some oblique reference to the Mueller report, kindly have the intestinal fortitude to do so openly. (Then, of course, we can mock you for believing in unreliable data sources and rumors, because <i>nobody</i> outside Mueller's team and at least one person at DOJ has read it. You have no hard data, but then again you don't seem to give a damn about data, just living up to your screen name.)Jon S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13585842845661267920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-45051163711608353892019-03-22T18:42:10.945-07:002019-03-22T18:42:10.945-07:00Someone's jammed your input device Duncan.Someone's jammed your input device Duncan.Paul Revilenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-26700474839513104212019-03-22T18:27:48.347-07:002019-03-22T18:27:48.347-07:00Paul Revile
Not only have all (except the FBI) of ...Paul Revile<br />Not only have all (except the FBI) of the US intelligence agencies specifically said that the Russians did the hack <br />BUT the Russian foreign minister said the same thing - you would think that he of all people would know!duncan cairncrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153725128216947145noreply@blogger.com