tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post3876001831375899235..comments2024-03-28T20:50:49.311-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Science - or "scientism"?David Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger142125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-65048746720886718242019-07-12T21:00:43.611-07:002019-07-12T21:00:43.611-07:00"The exact height is fuzzy and depends on lat..."The exact height is fuzzy and depends on latitude"<br /><br /> The other main characteristic of the troposphere is that it is well-mixed. The name troposphere is derived from the Greek tropein, which means to turn or change. Air molecules can travel to the top of the troposphere (about 10 km up) and back down again in a just a few days. This mixing encourages changing weather. The troposphere is bounded above by the tropopause, a boundary marked as the point where the temperature stops decreasing with height and becomes constant with height. Any laye…<br /><br />See more on sciencescene.com<br /><br />www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/30<br /><br />In summary, although the average environmental lapse rate is about 6.5 C/km, the lapse rates in the actual troposphere can vary dramatically day to day and day versus night and weather situation to weather situation.<br />https://www.stason.org/TULARC/science-engineering/climate-change/4-Tropospheric-lapse...<br /><br />between day and night, from winter to summer. At times and places the air may get warmer higher up (an inversion). Globally averaged, the troposphere, the lower about 10 to 15 km of our atmosphere, gets cooler with height. A typical value cited is 6.5 o C cooling / km of altitude. This is the so-called global mean tropospheric lapse rate<br />.......................................................................<br /><br />Does that sound like a setup for reflecting heat back to the surface to you ? In fact, heat is being dissipated with increased elevation. <br /><br />None of this deals with a 'top' as such, certainly not as significantly as the top of the ocean establishes a boundary layer. Having lived in fog country,I found that layer has a wild effect on temperatures - especially in the morning. Increase in heat will result in - more evaporation. Oops.opithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01621946866211400380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-5130648869811492242019-07-12T20:37:26.867-07:002019-07-12T20:37:26.867-07:00"party strategists agreed with Mr Luntz's..."party strategists agreed with Mr Luntz's conclusion that "many Americans believe Republicans do not care about the environment. What anti-life turds they are! "<br />That would be the strategists ? and polly-ticks, of course - not science. Regardless you would find many wondering about the noise surrounding a natural cycle : animals exhale it and plants utilize CO2 for growth. Since greenhouses utilize CO2 supplementation, you should not be surprised that many people think we have a CO2 drought - and could use more ! Anti-life that is not.opithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01621946866211400380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-38744907000074617512019-07-12T19:05:23.865-07:002019-07-12T19:05:23.865-07:00BTW "an inherently prone-to-cheating economic...BTW "an inherently prone-to-cheating economic system"<br />No kidding ! I like the Wikipedia entry for Kleptocracy, especially the subset Narco-Kleptocracy. Yep ; Druglords. The War on Drugs is a triumph of UN sponsored lunacy.opithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01621946866211400380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-32946766043039643492019-07-12T02:07:03.916-07:002019-07-12T02:07:03.916-07:00"even then you won’t dare to come to me with ..."even then you won’t dare to come to me with wagers over the fatuous nonsense that you spew here, sir. " True. I am not a betting man, nor do I see any oracle around to cut through the fog of representation and determination that the 'truth is known' even if fools won't acknowledge it.<br />I am that 'fool' and unabashedly recognize it. Fine words and incantations I cannot follow are not demonstration of anything except that I am not the most clever of debators and imagineers. I thought you a fine example of that kind - yes, I have read some Brin sci-fi and noted you were one of the "Three B's" appointed by the Asimov estate.<br />Doesn't matter. You complain I do not agree with 'experts' and I recall the daffynishun "Unknown drips under pressure."<br />Reading Robert Forward's imaginings were less trying.<br />The usual suspects continue to rebel against assimilation.<br />https://principia-scientific.org/researchers-question-validity-of-a-global-temperature/<br />With the information I have at hand - and I am have made collecting information from assorted sources for almost a decade now - I could be excused for thinking the Royals lizards with Photoshopping expertise still unmatched in real life or any number of mad ideas like Flat Earth. I see no need to believe any of it, and am quite obstinate that any effort to predict future weather is doomed to futility. Still, new ideas come forward in an endless tide - reassurance that smug superior intellects have not understood all the tricks nature conceals. <br />There is an old tool of businessmen "Cost - Benefit Analysis"<br />The only person I see doing anything remotely similar is Christopher Monckton. LOL Isn't that a measure of a farce. Time for sad reality.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBbvehbomrY&fbclid=IwAR1Jiwdd_-J4xgXWysRI0GrnGQzNX8ibF2TzRGAbvim3Km9CG00X_1xMKRAopithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01621946866211400380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-30947555042243788672019-07-10T14:37:05.786-07:002019-07-10T14:37:05.786-07:00Heh!
onwardHeh!<br /><br />onwardDavid Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-6328770898745698052019-07-10T14:27:23.371-07:002019-07-10T14:27:23.371-07:00And yes, it is a powerful form of incantatory magi...<i>And yes, it is a powerful form of incantatory magic...<br /><br />...which is why a recognize incantatory spellcasting so swiftly, where other scientists may not.</i><br /><br />Ah, yes. The evangelical con-man's greatest threat is a magician, who already knows all the tricks. :)A.F. Reyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08102355714883828348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-43186171871244012742019-07-10T14:22:49.928-07:002019-07-10T14:22:49.928-07:00LH I knew you weren't dissing me! I took it a...LH I knew you weren't dissing me! I took it as an excuse to go off on a riff, that's all.<br /><br />The lunacy of denialists can be seen in their cries "See? It's cold in the midwest!" when everywhere else winters are blazing hot, including the notrth pole, and the shift of the arctic winter cold zone TO the US midwest is a SYMPTOM.<br /><br />It's a lot like the incantations they recite, at the bidding of oligarch-subsidized propaganda, against any form of government regulation of an inherently prone-to-cheating economic system... which is the topic of our next blog.<br /><br />onward<br /><br />onward.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-3366747369237199322019-07-10T14:11:38.287-07:002019-07-10T14:11:38.287-07:00I finally got around to watching that John Coleman...I finally got around to watching that John Coleman video:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq3LS4BVSA0<br /><br />He uses Alaska in 2012 as an example of a location that was much <b>colder</b> than normal. I remember that, because I was on an Alaskan cruise in July of 2012.* Yes, it was chilly there, especially for July. Because the middle of the country was where all the heat was. When I left Chicago, we had already had several days break 100. When I returned home a week later, it was still breaking 100. And neighbors assured us that it had not cooled off in between.<br /><br />This past winter was the reverse. Chicago had 2 days which dropped below minus-20 degrees. There had only been 25 such individual days in all of Chicago weather history dating back to the Chicago Fire of 1871, and we just added two more back-to-back. So no global warming, right? Does it matter that, while the Great Lakes were in the polar vortex, every single other place on earth--including Antartica--were <b>warmer</b> than normal?<br /><br />* More synchronicity--it was on that 2012 cruise that I first read <i>Existence</i>. I even packed the hardcover along in my necessarily-limited luggage because I couldn't wait for the paperback.<br />Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83196447704074827702019-07-10T14:07:25.217-07:002019-07-10T14:07:25.217-07:00Upthread, opit said: "See, there's a prob...Upthread, opit said: "See, there's a problem here. I do not consider myself a 'political faction', just a guy who really gets irritated when the same people who chant 'climate is not weather' ( it damn well is. It is a term from the dictionary, not a science text.)"<br /><br />I got this! First off, any human in a political society can be considered a 'political faction'. No avoiding it, really. If you're not in a coma, you must favor some things and disagree with others...<br /><br />Second, climate is to weather as strategy is to tactics. A tactical problem is small in time and space: How do I and my squad smoke out the Nazis manning that machine gun in that house down the street, preferably within a few minutes? Weather is like that: Here, over the next few hours, it will be hot and sunny, and perhaps rain later.<br /><br />Climate is long and wide: Where I am right now, the climate has been temperate and warm, with short cold winters, for thousands of years. Strategy is also long and wide: what will become of Eastern Europe after we and the Soviet Union have defeated the Nazis? What will the postwar era look like? What are Soviet intentions in the Baltic? In the Arctic? In the western Pacific? What about in ten years?<br /><br />Weather is about local and temporary change in the atmosphere's behavior, within well-known parameters.<br /><br />Climate change means the parameters themselves have changed.<br /><br />By the way I heard that <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2003/mar/04/usnews.climatechange" rel="nofollow">people stopped saying 'global warming' and started saying 'climate change because of fuckin Frank Luntz, the GOP pollster.</a><br /><br /><i>"The phrase "global warming" should be abandoned in favour of "climate change", Mr Luntz says, and the party should describe its policies as "conservationist" instead of "environmentalist", because "most people" think environmentalists are "extremists" who indulge in "some pretty bizarre behaviour... that turns off many voters".</i><br /><br /><i>Words such as "common sense" should be used, with pro-business arguments avoided wherever possible.</i><br /><br /><i>The environment, the memo says, "is probably the single issue on which Republicans in general - and President Bush in particular - are most vulnerable".</i><br /><br /><i>A Republican source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said party strategists agreed with Mr Luntz's conclusion that "many Americans believe Republicans do not care about the environment"."</i><br /><br />What anti-life turds they are!TCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08153506222271955110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-83522357740631937512019-07-10T14:03:48.751-07:002019-07-10T14:03:48.751-07:00@Dr Brin,
I wasn't dissing you.
I thought th...@Dr Brin,<br /><br />I wasn't dissing you.<br /><br />I thought that passage was appropriate in that we've been in a discussion about how no one can <b>prove</b> certain things that nonetheless seem (as your character said) obvious. Maybe I'm just part autistic. Or neanderthal. Like any good story, that would explain a lot.Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44247989061429350472019-07-10T13:44:41.824-07:002019-07-10T13:44:41.824-07:00Well, LH, I confess I do have a mystical side. I a...Well, LH, I confess I do have a mystical side. I am descended from countless generations of shamans. The temptation to use mystical-seeming metaphors in my fiction - and even nonfiction - is very strong. And yes, it is a powerful form of incantatory magic...<br /><br />...which is why a recognize incantatory spellcasting so swiftly, where other scientists may not. In fact, I know I am more a spellcaster than scientist. But I can compensate. I incant in service to the only civilization that delivered justice and widespread opportunity and rapid progress and systems for the competitive accountability on cheating and lies and error. I will sing fables and mythologies. But I no longer do it for priests and kings. I try -- and yes, this has been a self-justifying incantation -- I try to do it for us.<br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-62497600585404661092019-07-10T13:24:42.680-07:002019-07-10T13:24:42.680-07:00On the recent subject of evidence and proof, I jus...On the recent subject of evidence and proof, I just synchronistically read this passage in our host's <i>Existence</i>. Page 621 in the paperback:<br /><br /><i><br />"In fact, I can tell you that Mei Ling's children will be special," the Neanderthal boy added. "Even though I don't know why. No one can know the future. But some things just leap out. They're obvious."<br /></i>Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-54141294433911463462019-07-10T12:57:52.189-07:002019-07-10T12:57:52.189-07:00Well Alfred
This has been a very well know problem...Well Alfred<br />This has been a very well know problem for many decades and people and the markets have not invented their way out. As a matter of fact each and every year we have been making the problem worse and almost every year we have been increasing the rate at which we are making the problem worse. Last year was the year in which mankind did the most damage to the global environment in the entire history of the human race, that stat will hold until we get the result from this year.<br /><br />The situation is already starting to spiral out of control as natural positive feedback loops kick in,<br />I would not be surprised if this is the last decade of relative stability for industrial civilization.jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865068658069680309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-85237682373482271742019-07-10T12:33:58.112-07:002019-07-10T12:33:58.112-07:00It occurs to me that opit's idea that pressure...It occurs to me that opit's idea that pressure is a primary source of heat on our planet perfectly illustrates how science is beneficial to making social decisions.<br /><br />How would society go about determining if opit's idea was true, and not just another interesting idea that turned out to be false? First thing I would do is appoint a commission.<br /><br />But who should be on the commission? Fifth-graders who are barely able to read? Dock workers or beach bums? We would probably want primarily people knowledgeable in the subject, i.e. experts, with maybe a few outsiders for perspective.<br /><br />But commissions can be stacked (cf Donald Trump). So how could we make sure that it wasn't filled with biased or bought-off experts? Open the commission to everyone, of course! You can't buy off everyone. :)<br /><br />But then there would be a number of people who faked their expertise, are so biased it affects their judgement, and just plain sloppy thinkers. Should they have the same voice as everyone else? Definitely not, by my judgement. So while everyone can have their say, there should be a screening process to de-emphasize those opinions ignore known facts, have obvious illogical steps, or are based on falsified data.<br /><br />But who does the screening? Make it a popular vote, or allow the commission to appoint gatekeepers to throw out the obviously inferior ideas.<br /><br />Then let these experts and enthusiastic amateurs work on determining if the idea is true. Allow them to perform tests if they need to. Let them compare notes. Have meetings and discussions to hammer out differences. Let them announce the consensus. And don't have any deadline for the final determination, since new data could change the consensus in the future.<br /><br />Seriously, can anyone imagine a better way to evaluate a claim, given our limitations as human beings?<br /><br />It is, of course, the scientific method.<br /><br />The scientific method evolved from people who wanted to determine, to the best of their ability, what is true and what is false. It incorporates all the best ideas we have. So, if properly done, it will give governments and societies the best judgement on ideas that we have. Which is why it should be utilized whenever possible for making decisions about the facts of the world, especially by governments.<br /><br />As I said before, can anyone thing of a better way?A.F. Reyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08102355714883828348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-55297549536383478862019-07-10T12:23:35.820-07:002019-07-10T12:23:35.820-07:00opit,
The greenhouse roof is about 7 miles up. Th...opit,<br /><br />The greenhouse roof is about 7 miles up. The exact height is fuzzy and depends on latitude, but it is the tropopause layer. Convection between troposphere and stratosphere doesn't really work.<br /><br />You live in a greenhouse. <br />The entire Earth is a greenhouse.Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-29766415262392487122019-07-10T12:20:47.581-07:002019-07-10T12:20:47.581-07:00jim,
The discussion with opit just shows why I am...jim,<br /><br /><i>The discussion with opit just shows why I am so pessimistic about climate change.</i><br /><br />If you need everyone to understand and be on board, we are $%@#'d. Cheer up, though. Human history doesn't work that way except for when we are at war with each other and have to defend the city walls. 8)<br /><br />Most of the time you only need a fraction of us to understand the problem and work on solutions. One of the solution elements has to be a trick that enables the ignorant masses to go along with the solution without actually caring. I think Adam Smith described the problem when he compared how much more we care about damage to our pinky finger to millions of deaths caused by an earthquake in China. Unless you are Chinese and live in the area, your ability to care is limited by human nature. It simply doesn't hurt as much. Yet... we can all trade before and after in goods, services, and knowledge and wind up helping them far more than we would fretting about their immediate pain.<br /><br />The extra solution element that enables the ignorant to help while remaining ignorant has to be something they'll be inclined to do anyway. Our host calls this TWODA. At an absolute minimum, it has to be something they won't object to (much), but it's better if they are willing to participate even if they don't care (much).<br /><br />If you think we all have to understand and care, you are going to suffer unnecessarily the worries that come from the fact that your preaching won't work. What DOES work is market forces IF you can find a way to make it worth it for people to do the right thing anyway.<br /><br />So... don't let opit bother you too much. Most of us here understand the danger even if we don't react to it the way you do. Many other people do too. This is how world problems actually get solved. Work at finding the market trick that enables everyone else to do the right thing anyway and even opit will probably wind up helping. 8)Alfred Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01170159981105973192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-65825177800245296902019-07-10T11:53:42.019-07:002019-07-10T11:53:42.019-07:00"And those who are perceived to be part of th...<i>"And those who are perceived to be part of the problem may end up being fed though a chipper along with their family."</i><br /><br />Well, "eat the rich" makes a nice slogan, but eating them is very unhealthy - there's the fatty-meat issue, if nothing else. "Fertilize edible crops with the rich" is more sensible. Just sayin'.<br /><br /><i>"Or a small group of biologist decide that the only way to stop the mass extinction going on is by releasing a weaponized cow pox and become a genocidal saint for the rest of the living world."</i><br /><br />That's part of the setting of Spider Robinson's first novel, <i>Telempath</i>, except that the Hyperosmic Virus, which massively increased every human being's sense of smell (remember at the time the big bad in the real world was pollution, not global warming), was unleashed by a single person and he was vilified afterward (because it led to mass death, mostly from starvation and suicide).Jon S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13585842845661267920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-90483494713927072272019-07-10T11:22:19.722-07:002019-07-10T11:22:19.722-07:00What a sh@#storm of bafflegab. Anything can be mad...What a sh@#storm of bafflegab. Anything can be made to sound scientific if you add enough mathematical gilding and jargon. Just find a quiet place, crack open some non-political books (remember them?) and begin learning from first principles, Feynman style. You may not arrive at correct answers soon, or even after a lifetime, but how is that worse than flailing away like frightened child in the dark? Nobody becomes a stable genius without careful study. If you don't have the patience for book-learnin', maybe run some experiments, walk around and observe, or learn how to program computer models. It's fun.scidatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07152319593457629592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-26660285146794994162019-07-10T11:21:03.869-07:002019-07-10T11:21:03.869-07:00“What you seem to be implying is that, if a region...“What you seem to be implying is that, if a region has an unprecedented streak of 100 degree days, that's ok because it hit 125 once back in aught-six, and that hasn't happened again since. So we're actually cooling now.”<br /><br />Standard Denialist Cultism. There was a sharp hot-year peak in 1997. Every year afterward, lying bastards like Cruz & Fox etc would say “there’s been no warming, just COOLING for the last…(fill in) fifteen… sixteen… seventeen… years!!!. Which the secular average trend for all years kept climbing higher and higher. Their lying habit was so intense that even after FIVE years in a row exceeded 1997, they kept up the line, like declaring “glaciers are advancing!”<br /><br />Because, well, they are three types, lying assholes, fanatic assholes and rapacious cynical ones at the top, preserving their carbon kingdoms at all cost.<br /><br />“A retired old man living in a basement - yes, it is my suite - will not provide you much sport in that regard.”<br /><br />So you are poverty-privileged? I get it. There is no way to corner you. Your magical incantations are endless along with lists of brave-impudent Youtube Heroes who are standing up to Establishment science. Yay impudent rebels against domineering elites!<br /><br />Except the “elites you have been suckered into hating are the most competitively honest the world has ever seen, while you suck up to the modern plantation lords who spend billions subsidizing the koolaid that you guzzle.<br /><br />Please, win the lottery! I hope you’ll get a giant windfall, then face the flat out fact that even then you won’t dare to come to me with wagers over the fatuous nonsense that you spew here, sir. <br />David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-77680494933997700232019-07-10T10:55:24.405-07:002019-07-10T10:55:24.405-07:00People like Larry_H have the memory of squirrels, ...<br />People like Larry_H have the memory of squirrels, so quick to forget the oft-repeated climate science refrain which dismisses record-setting cold winters as random 'weather' that in no way disprove a warming -- sorry -- a CHANGING climate, while they eagerly cite the weather of the 'Fourth warmest May for globe' to support a changing -- sorry -- I mean a WARMING climate.<br /><br />What part of their incessant 'weather is NOT climate' cant do they not understand?<br /><br />Of course, Clinton-esque squirrels like this will then invariably argue that the oft-repeated words <b>'weather is NOT climate'</b> can mean anything that they want them to mean at any particular moment, especially & including 'the opposite thing'.<br /><br />It's called having your cake & eating it too.<br /><br /><br />Bestlocumranchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06812045410916208141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-89381071230296020092019-07-10T10:22:43.296-07:002019-07-10T10:22:43.296-07:00opit:
If you asked any farmer whether man control...opit:<br /><i><br />If you asked any farmer whether man controlled the weather, he would assess you as daft. I happen to think that's about right.<br /></i><br /><br /><b>Affecting</b> the weather is not the same thing as <b>controlling</b> it.<br /><br />If man <b>controlled</b> the weather, climate change would not be a problem.<br /><br />I'm still curious enough to ask--we are currently living through an age of unprecedented weather events (polar vortex in Chicago, massive flooding rains, blizzards in April, extended hot spells). Are you saying this is all just part of nature's ebb and flow? Or are you acknowledging that the climate is changing, but arguing that there is no way we could have predicted or prepared for it ahead of time? Despite the accuracy of those who did predict it ahead of time?Larry Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058877428309776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-18019629791404370782019-07-10T10:17:35.847-07:002019-07-10T10:17:35.847-07:00opit
I really don't care what you think nor do...opit<br />I really don't care what you think nor do I want to waste time trying to convince you that you are wrong. You are just more evidence that we will not collectively respond to climate change in a preventive manner. Much to the detriment of all.<br />jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865068658069680309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-86951074388149410922019-07-10T09:59:49.954-07:002019-07-10T09:59:49.954-07:00duncan cairncross "You do know that its call...duncan cairncross "You do know that its called the Greenhouse effect because it is used to keep millions of greenhouses warm".<br />Obviously, somebody's understanding of energy flow and temperature is worse than mine.<br />Think of it. If such an effect took place in the open air ( where convection was in play ) then greenhouses could not work.<br />jim<br />'after 30 years of increasing clear evidence we cannot agree there is a problem'<br />Pity Dr. Tim Ball. For almost 50 years he has been trying to explain why it cannot have been accurately presented and analyzed.<br /> https://drtimball.ca https://youtu.be/Owm25OHGglk?t=29<br />This is often such a kludge of misunderstandings that it really does take a look for underlying reasons why 'debate' gets nowhere. Blaming everything on fossil fuel companies makes limited sense because they will not be the ones paying tax. That will be you and me.<br />The one calling for honest science has himself been pilloried as a 'denier.' There are no limits when Roger A. Pielke Jr. is mocked because he cannot agree with assessments of a radical problem. <br /> Denis Rancourt ( Activist Teacher.blogspot ) posted the results of a student inquiry into the problem. The title for their conclusions is at least as forthright as Greta's. https://activistteacher.blogspot.com/2011/03/on-gargantuan-lie-of-climate-change.html<br />David wants me to take a wager on whether my understanding is better than his - or of 'climate professionals.'<br /> A retired old man living in a basement - yes, it is my suite - will not provide you much sport in that regard. I do believe my recalcitrance is not matched by any money prize - and in a country where the rift between poverty and wealth can grow to such heights I have no confidence in representations of social justice. Suffer.<br /> I'm not bitching but at threescoreandtenormore ( more actually ) and retired my tilting at windmills has some constraints ( that was the name of my first commenter in 2005).<br />If you asked any farmer whether man controlled the weather, he would assess you as daft. I happen to think that's about right.<br />In a more arcane age we looked to the East for illumination ( enlightenment ).<br />Climate science violates the basic precepts of science<br />https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/seeing-the-invisible/climate-science-violates-the-basic-precepts-of-science/opithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01621946866211400380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44311231486308104762019-07-10T08:59:27.116-07:002019-07-10T08:59:27.116-07:00scidata
That is one possibility,
But depending ...scidata<br />That is one possibility, <br /><br /> But depending on how things get worse I can easily imagine a Green Reign of Terror sweeping the county (world?)after a near famine caused by climate change. And those who are perceived to be part of the problem may end up being fed though a chipper along with their family. <br /><br />Or a small group of biologist decide that the only way to stop the mass extinction going on is by releasing a weaponized cow pox and become a genocidal saint for the rest of the living world.jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865068658069680309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44185054683039950692019-07-10T08:35:21.801-07:002019-07-10T08:35:21.801-07:00The sad part is that as the floods and fires worse...The sad part is that as the floods and fires worsen, Voldemort will blame refugees. The sadder part is that his base will agree.scidatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07152319593457629592noreply@blogger.com