tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post2347352214386357905..comments2024-03-18T21:52:45.757-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Economic falsehoods...David Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-8950272353809758632007-09-11T06:35:00.000-07:002007-09-11T06:35:00.000-07:00I have a natural affinity toward Democrats and lib...I have a natural affinity toward Democrats and liberals, I find them to be intelligent, witty and creative. Being a little older now I remember Democrats who weren't socialists - I was one of them. I started voting for conservatives because self-loathing Americans turn my stomach. One can only stand so much America is bad, America is evil, everything about you Americans is vile. I can't associate with self-impressed Jon Stewart/Bill Maher smirkiness, such people are a real turn off. Yes, I am disillusioned by Repug-licans but I cannot vote for socialists.Ughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267287853892482870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15016254707650626712007-08-10T07:46:00.000-07:002007-08-10T07:46:00.000-07:00Numbers are proving that Bush is lack in strategy,...Numbers are proving that Bush is lack in strategy, responsibility, management and everything. Totally he's unfit for the post...<BR/><A HREF="http://www.breakdown-cover.net/breakdown-cover-uk.htm" REL="nofollow">UK emergency roadside services</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-61105967542107734742007-08-09T15:07:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:07:00.000-07:00With what's been going on lately in Iraq and other...With what's been going on lately in Iraq and other parts of the world, I pull out this quote I ran across earlier today at work (writing abstracts).<BR/><BR/>"We have learned too that the democratic ideal needs a foundation of sound economics—and that the economy of no one nation is sound unless all others are." -- New Republic, 6/16/1941, p. 809<BR/><BR/>Or in other words, we cannot defeat insurgency and conflict through force of arms. We can only do so by building up their economy and showing them what they can have, should they work within the system.<BR/><BR/>We conquered Japan at the end of World War II... and then rebuilt its economy. The Japanese people easily could have turned against us, had we just occupied and treated them as a captive nation. Instead, we worked to build up this nation and make it a cooperative part of the world market... and today Japan is not a military threat to the U.S.<BR/><BR/>The politicians of today should look at the after-effects of the wars of yesteryear to chart a course through these troubled waters, lest we continue to stumble and turn all sides against us.<BR/><BR/>Robert A. Howard, Tangents Reviews<BR/><A HREF="http://www.tangents.us" REL="nofollow">http://www.tangents.us</A>Acacia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07678539067303911329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-91578234481302244672007-08-09T14:21:00.000-07:002007-08-09T14:21:00.000-07:00Rob Perkins said . . .Is "four" a "large family"? ...<I>Rob Perkins said . . .<BR/>Is "four" a "large family"? </I><BR/><BR/>It's sometimes considered a large family, yes. Average US family size was ,<A HREF="http://www.religiousconsultation.org/News_Tracker/incredible_shrinking_US_family.htm" REL="nofollow">Listed Here</A> as 2.57. There's a big difference between that and a little under 4, making mormon families "Big".<BR/><BR/><I>Don Quijote said... <BR/>Obviously haven't spent enough time reading LGF, Free Republic or quite a few other Right Wing Web sites.</I><BR/><BR/>Do <B>you</B> read these sites? I used to post to FR before I was banned for being a troll (yes, I admit it. You can read what I said <A HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825314/posts" REL="nofollow">here</A> if you care to. and it was trollish and wrong of me.)<BR/><BR/>I just did a search on "Bush" on FR. The first article was "Poll: Republicans starting to stand by Bush again" Here a few of the responses:<BR/><BR/><I>Not for long. He's starting to squawk about the need to open our borders wider. . . <BR/><BR/>No we’re not. . . <BR/><BR/>I will not stand by that man, . . .<BR/><BR/>I totally disagree with Bush on immigration, excess govt spending, and I think he communicates his message poorly. . . .<BR/><BR/>The only ones "starting to stand by Bush" are the RINOs and other assorted silk sock, country club, Big Tent wusses who never left. Try to find some conservatives--long gone. . . . </I><BR/><BR/>Over all the comments (18 not very many) I found 11 comments that seemed to dislike the president (mostly because of his poor performance with illegal immigration) and excessive (they used the word liberal to describe it. Try not to be offended). Most seemed to approve of his WoT, but on everything else he got poor marks.<BR/><BR/>So I agree with Dr. Brin's original statement <I>I refuse to accept that Red Americans are inherently the same as these monsters... let along the "pink" folk whose milder conservatism does not make them liars and thieves.</I><BR/><BR/>The posters on those boards do want conservative policies! They don't like the way Bush puts us in debt, and they notice when he does it. The only issue they seem blind to is the terrible way has handled the war and treated our troops. <BR/><BR/>They have a hard time going over to the democrat tent even when Democrats really do create smaller government and strong military. Personally I blame the Democrats for not selling those virtues well enough. <BR/><BR/>There is racism on those boards. You can see some moderately nasty anti-mexico stuff on the link I just gave. Still, I don't think<BR/>they are monsters.sociotardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697154298087412934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-75333626837715923492007-08-09T13:31:00.000-07:002007-08-09T13:31:00.000-07:00Of course, in the modern industrialised world we o...<I>Of course, in the modern industrialised world we observe a fairly strong correlation between number of kids and "fundamentalist" religiosity, as with Mormons in the US...</I><BR/><BR/>You have conflated Utah with Mormon. The average family size of an American Mormon family is slightly less than four. Is "four" a "large family"?Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44803316704605691822007-08-09T13:01:00.000-07:002007-08-09T13:01:00.000-07:00Rob, you're arguing that tax policy as a behaviora...Rob, you're arguing that tax policy as a behavioral incentive and tax rate policy are the same thing. They have nothing to do with one another. Tax policy as an incentive is subject to all sorts of unintended consequences and rent-seeking behaviors. I'm sure you could come up with all kinds of horror stories, but the Prius example is a fine one.<BR/><BR/>However, it's much harder to play games with the tax rate system and still follow the law. The rate is what the rate is. You can either choose to generate income or not. Beyond that, things are out of your control. The rate is a global forcing function on a whole bunch of things, not the least of which are government revenue, economic health, and individual welfare. It's important not to confuse the two different effects.TheRadicalModeratehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04671143818738683349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-61840086911771288782007-08-09T11:32:00.000-07:002007-08-09T11:32:00.000-07:00While David's (and Daggatt's) basic conclusion (Bu...While David's (and Daggatt's) basic conclusion (Bush's fiscal policy is nothing less than pandering insanity, and is not not not not conservatism) is completely correct in my opinion, I don't think Daggatt's case completely supports the conclusion.<BR/><BR/>They're still living in the world which believes that adjusting tax policy causes both macro- and microeconomic change...<BR/><BR/>In refutation, I offer this countering anecdote: For a number of years, there was a tax credit on the Toyota Prius. Thousands of dollars, if you bought one early. Less for buying one in the later years of the credit.<BR/><BR/>After the tax credit sunsetted, Toyota lowered its price on the Prius. The tax credit turned into a deferred price incentive for a niche vehicle, all of which accrued to Toyota, and not to taxpayers, because they factored the credit into the price of the vehicle, enabling them to collect more money on it.<BR/><BR/>Toyota, does not need government assistance to sell its cars in the U.S. Would they have set a lower price on the Prius earlier if the tax credit, which was never high enough to cost-justify the delta of increased efficiency? (And still isn't! My Corolla gets 40 mpg highway... the Prius is only marginally better for an extra $10k)<BR/><BR/>In such a climate, is it really wise to say that tax policy is useful as economic incentive? The numbers certainly don't bear it out! Clinton raised taxes, and then lowered them, but the economy grew for seven years of his term and faltered in the eighth. Bush lowered them, and the economy faltered in the first two years, and is now growing again.<BR/><BR/>And the total federal debt never *never* decreased in all the years there was a "surplus" anyway, whatever the SS surplus was, so what is it that we were talking about again?<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah. Bush Evil. Betrayed Conservatism. Tax cuts didn't stimulate the economy.<BR/><BR/>Neither did tax increases depress it. But the rightest conclusion is that smart people factor in the taxes and set prices accordingly and other things than government policy are the root cause of macroeconomic change.<BR/><BR/>Now, sure, I imagine that if we abruptly changed the upper bracket back to 70%, that would influence economic decision, but that's not what they're proposing in any of these sorts of changes, is it?Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-73308786755466774882007-08-09T11:30:00.000-07:002007-08-09T11:30:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rob Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115249244056328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-12488461452298578722007-08-09T08:59:00.000-07:002007-08-09T08:59:00.000-07:00What happened to the conservatives?I have a differ...What happened to the conservatives?<BR/><BR/>I have a different but related answer to Don's.<BR/><BR/>Looking across the pond, I see that the US has one conservative party and one radical party and this has remained the case since 1945. The Conservative party (the party of individual freedom, balanced budgets, low spending) is the Democratic party. The Republican party for that entire period has been radical reactionaries who merely claim to be "conservative" but instead of wanting to preserve want to recreate the Guilded Age and the Roaring 20s. (And you guys don't have a left wing or progressive party at all).<BR/><BR/>So any so-called conservatives voting for the Republican party are either dishonest robber barons or dupes of them.Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09335780760314634220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-31174741313048149742007-08-09T06:43:00.000-07:002007-08-09T06:43:00.000-07:00I think it's interesting that quite a few of you i...I think it's interesting that quite a few of you immediately inferred that the urban rich in medieval England would be the aristocracy. I assumed that they would be mostly tradesmen. <BR/><BR/>The aristocracy had annuitized incomes (from rents) and inheritance laws that prevented those incomes from being diluted. Tradesmen had neither of these and hence were more likely to have their wealth diluted and their heirs "pushed-down" into the lower levels of society.<BR/><BR/>It'll be interesting to see Clark's evidence for his genetic hypothesis. Note that the hypothesis will stand whether the underlying mechanism is genetic or cultural.TheRadicalModeratehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04671143818738683349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-26480596179606123082007-08-09T05:58:00.000-07:002007-08-09T05:58:00.000-07:00The willingness of some people to vote against thi...The willingness of some people to vote against thier own economic best interests in the name of racism, religion, homophobia, and guns amazes me, but doesn't surprise me.<BR/>It also amazes me how little the 'elite' has to do to get thier votes; a half hearted defense of marraige act that means almost nothing, a ban on a rare form of abortion, etc. and they sell out thier birthright. And they don't even get any porrige for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-9298241744093605432007-08-09T04:36:00.000-07:002007-08-09T04:36:00.000-07:00It depresses me that I can convince so few people ...<I>It depresses me that I can convince so few people to view the Bushite/Cheneykleps as a criminal gang, and not emblematic of the actual character of half of our nation.</I><BR/><BR/>In 2004,knowing exactly who Bush-Cheney were, 50% of the voting public voted for these people.<BR/><BR/><I> I refuse to accept that Red Americans are inherently the same as these monsters...</I><BR/><BR/>Obviously haven't spent enough time reading LGF, Free Republic or quite a few other Right Wing Web sites.<BR/><BR/><I>let along the "pink" folk whose milder conservatism does not make them liars and thieves.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.bostonreview.net/BR32.4/loury.html" REL="nofollow">Boston Review - Why Are So Many Americans in Prison? Race and the transformation of criminal justice Glenn C. Loury </A><BR/><BR/><B><BR/>something interesting seems to have been going on in the late 1960s regarding the relationship between attitudes on race and social policy. Before 1965, public attitudes on the welfare state and on race, as measured by the annually administered General Social Survey, varied year to year independently of one another: you could not predict much about a person’s attitudes on welfare politics by knowing their attitudes about race. After 1965, the attitudes moved in tandem, as welfare came to be seen as a race issue. Indeed, the year-to-year correlation between an index measuring liberalism of racial attitudes and attitudes toward the welfare state over the interval 1950–1965 was .03. These same two series had a correlation of .68 over the period 1966–1996.<BR/></B><BR/><BR/>And there is your pink America...<BR/><BR/>To put it crudely, a large proportion of Americans would rather eat shit than give a nickel to a n**ger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-28784142425852850142007-08-09T00:04:00.000-07:002007-08-09T00:04:00.000-07:00... Your website is also considered naughty (maybe...... Your website is also considered naughty (maybe they haven't heard about the style update).<BR/><BR/>However, worldchanging is available, if that's any consolation.Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-27628734449563260872007-08-08T23:49:00.000-07:002007-08-08T23:49:00.000-07:00David,The outer google suggests you try pinging fo...David,<BR/><BR/>The outer google suggests you try pinging for various websites from the <A HREF="http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/" REL="nofollow">Great Firewall of China</A>.<BR/><BR/>(I'm afraid http://earthbydavidbrin.pbwiki.com isn't visible :-(<BR/><BR/>Mind you, even if you do find a way to send a note, I think you'll have more interesting things to do!Tony Fiskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14578160528746657971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-85175477527291549832007-08-08T22:19:00.000-07:002007-08-08T22:19:00.000-07:00Brin predicts again...The cover story of this mont...Brin predicts again...<BR/><BR/>The cover story of this month's Scientific American says that saccades (tiny eye movements) not only allow us to see, but quantify on what we are focused when looking at a scene.<BR/><BR/>Is Citizen-testing far behind?<BR/><BR/>Some fun optical illusions to learn about how your eye works too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-15656113570579196902007-08-08T21:39:00.000-07:002007-08-08T21:39:00.000-07:00It depresses me that I can convince so few people ...It depresses me that I can convince so few people to view the Bushite/Cheneykleps as a criminal gang, and not emblematic of the actual character of half of our nation. I refuse to accept that Red Americans are inherently the same as these monsters... let along the "pink" folk whose milder conservatism does not make them liars and thieves.<BR/><BR/>A QUESTION FOR THE GROUP MIND:<BR/><BR/>Do you know if folks can access their Yahoo or SBCglobal/Yahoo email accounts from China. <BR/><BR/>I know that Blogger accounts aren't accessible there. Hence, while I am there, you can expect my screeds to take a welcome holiday.David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-22529740031255547552007-08-08T20:44:00.000-07:002007-08-08T20:44:00.000-07:00Don Quijote said......Oh, what has happened to con...<I>Don Quijote said...<BR/>...<BR/>Oh, what has happened to conservatism?<BR/><BR/>Nothing! Conservatism ,at least in my lifetime, has always been about the "business elite" stealing every thing that wasn't nailed down and handing the bill to the suckers.<BR/>Do the words S&L Crisis ,Silverado Savings and Loan, Enron or the California energy crisis ring a bell?<BR/><BR/></I><BR/><BR/>>> I flirted with various political leanings. I voted twice for Ross Perot. Now I find myself Progressive and leaning more liberal all the time.<BR/><BR/>I have to say, that as much as it seems like a cheap shot and a rant, what Don Quixote is saying seems completely true in my book.<BR/><BR/>It's as simple as that.<BR/><BR/>When I read about the "alleged" attempted takeover of the FDR government, by Wall Street haves, in order that they go with a Fascist solution like Hitler -- it just seems that we have too much inherited wealth and privilege, that has created a walled community of very wealthy cretins.<BR/><BR/>As they promote people within their multinational corporations -- they look for people who echo their elitist philosophies. Rush Limbaugh must be a darling. He and Neal Boortz and many others espouse a philosophy of "useless eaters." A mythology of the lazy poor.<BR/><BR/>To them, all problems are caused by being "soft" on the underclass. If such a philosophy had ever worked, why the surfs of the Dark Ages in Europe would have been setting records bootstrapping themselves.<BR/><BR/>I just listened to another philosophy darling, in the mold of Ayn Rand, espouse the idea that people who don't pay taxes don't vote. He meant the poor. Those who live off the fat of minimum wage, or manage to have 25 children so that the government pays them -- despite the fact that children cost more money than you get in tax breaks -- especially if you don't have any money to get back.<BR/><BR/>This would also mean that MOST military service men could not vote -- because apparently they don't get paid enough to be in the "taxed citizen." I find it hard to breathe and not pay a tax -- but apparently, all they care about is Federal and State taxes -- not the ones in my car (and the healthcare costs that go into a car -- it's a tax because it is a benefit we must pay for), or the cost of my health care, or the cost of day care to actually go to a job. There are a lot of basic costs that keep increasing on the average family -- while luxury goods, keep getting cheaper. The extra costs I get by not controlling the market for infrastructure -- is worse than a tax, because instead of the money going to the government -- where I get a vote, and then being apportioned to someone to do the job, I pay directly for ME to get something that had the price jacked up, and I don't get the benefit of someone negotiating for me a volume discount (government).<BR/><BR/>The cost of natural gas to my home quadrupled once it was privatized. Then I see the bill, and they mention various obscure taxes. Strangely, when you change companies, they pay different amounts of these various taxes and perhaps invent a few -- as if these costs were pulled out of thin air.<BR/><BR/>Official taxes are only a tiny part of the story.<BR/><BR/>No, the economics of the Republicans, don't work in practice. It isn't about just having "low taxes" I don't think that me paying more taxes fixes problems -- it's about responsible government and what the government should be doing.<BR/><BR/>For instance, the government spends about 1 to 2% on Welfare, while about 50% of the tax revenues go to the military (some of that is Veterans benefits). I contend, that most of what the military does, is to secure the interests of Multinational Globalists around the globe. If they merely stole for my country -- it might have some benefit. No, meanwhile, my government subsidizes corporations outsourcing work.<BR/><BR/>When you look at a country like Mexico -- there is actually a lot of wealth and natural resources. But the 25 super wealthy families control it all. Taxes are very low (but, heavens, mostly paid for by the wealthy -- because nobody else has money (I'd trade)), there is little infrastructure, health, public services, and the police work off a system of graft, that seems only slightly less barbaric than our own impound the criminals belongings without due process policy in this country.<BR/><BR/>We go through cycles in our history, when things fall apart, and everyone comes together in adversity and realizes that the only way to get out of it is to start doing things that benefit the common good. After the success of these efforts, the wealthy and powerful, who ever struggle to control the media and bend government to their will, inexorably compromise the apologists, and promote the crony, and we end up with everyone forgetting that Rich people don't need support groups -- their Rich, fool. So, eventually, the corporatists get everything they want, foisting Get-richer-faster-quicker schemes on the public like the S&L crises, and a looming Derivatives and Sub-Prime Housing Market (and million-dollar homes in paved-over swamp land on almost every coast with government insurance. We bail out bad policies of the banks and insurance companies, and they can give credit cards to college students with no jobs -- but if I pick the wrong stuck, it's tough luck, right?<BR/><BR/>So we will bail out these jerk-offs so the whole game doesn't go belly up, and we will get wiser for a time -- until the cycle repeats.Fake_William_Shatnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027049743048836086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-30519332012370938932007-08-08T18:29:00.000-07:002007-08-08T18:29:00.000-07:00Anon:The threat from the Chinese is a form of econ...Anon:<BR/><BR/>The threat from the Chinese is a form of economic MAD, and they know it; Japan played the same game with us in the late 80's and early 90's. China's entire economy is based upon producing goods for America, Europe, and Japan; they have a feeble banking system with little in the way of an internal consumer economy that could compensate for the dropoff of exports that would follow such a move. They'd have nothing to gain by it (except, perhaps, our humiliation, but I don't think that a bunch of pragmatic technocratic Dengists like Hu Jintao and his politburo care much for such things, especially in the face of their own prosperity), and everything to lose. Such a move would likely hurt China more than it would the U.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-34297476950958499992007-08-08T16:50:00.000-07:002007-08-08T16:50:00.000-07:00It's actually a fairly clear case of treason: the ...<I>It's actually a fairly clear case of treason: the economic policies of this administration have given a (non-democratic) foreign government a gun pressed up against the US' head, economically speaking. The US is no longer free to set its own policy.</I><BR/><BR/>You can't blame GW Bush for this. He is doing no more than following the economic policies of the last thirty years.<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Don, don't confuse Republican Oligarchs for Conservatives.</I><BR/><BR/>I am not confusing them, one is the group of suckers who votes for the other who sucks the life blood out of America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-46477405463410110032007-08-08T14:53:00.000-07:002007-08-08T14:53:00.000-07:00I am the very model of a Singulitarian(I found it ...<A HREF="http://youtube.com/watch?v=qnreVTKtpMs" REL="nofollow">I am the very model of a Singulitarian</A><BR/><BR/>(I found it amusing anyway)sociotardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697154298087412934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-50554646218967493262007-08-08T14:30:00.000-07:002007-08-08T14:30:00.000-07:00The Farewell to Alms piece is not convincing becau...The Farewell to Alms piece is not convincing because of other studies I have seen that show at that time customs developed to encourage people to delay marriage until they were economically independent. The biological argument is not convincing to me. To me the explanation is more likely to be the religious toleration laws that allowed Quakers and other nonviolent dissenters to start the steel, banking and other industries that were still controlled by a poorly educated and corrupt aristocracy in the rest of Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-30606103190641087812007-08-08T12:26:00.000-07:002007-08-08T12:26:00.000-07:00Conservatives are supposed to remember the past-- ...Conservatives are supposed to remember the past-- cf LBJ: you probably shouldn't start a major foreign war with out raising taxes, let along cutting them. The economic damage of the Vietnam war lasted well over a decade-- remember stagflation? One result of paying for a war by printing money.<BR/><BR/>But it gets worse: this morning, Chinese officials floated the idea of using what is referred to in China as the "Nuclear Option." China is holding a very large amount of US currency (well over a trillion, I believe), which has been propping up the US economy and inflating it's insane housing market for some time now. The US is pressuring China to revalue their currency. China threatens to start dumping US greenbacks. The US dollar is in trouble right now; if China does that the whole house of cards comes tumbling down, and the possible damage would go well beyond recession.<BR/><BR/>It's actually a fairly clear case of treason: the economic policies of this administration have given a (non-democratic) foreign government a gun pressed up against the US' head, economically speaking. The US is no longer free to set its own policy.<BR/><BR/>Which is particularly ironic, considering that the neo-cons' primary obsession is with facing down China (beautifully documented in Gwynne Dyer's "Future:Tense").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-39200583664165522392007-08-08T12:03:00.000-07:002007-08-08T12:03:00.000-07:00Does Russ Daggett have a blog or column somewhere?...Does Russ Daggett have a blog or column somewhere? I'd like to post a link to his stuff.JuhnDonnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06795417373366495092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-56908356343115323892007-08-08T10:59:00.000-07:002007-08-08T10:59:00.000-07:00Something you can do to help the country recover -...Something you can do to help the country recover - whether or not you agree with the overall aims of the site : <BR/><BR/>http://action.downsizedc.org/wyc.php?cid=77Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-28444741649242273342007-08-08T10:33:00.000-07:002007-08-08T10:33:00.000-07:00Bush was the Golden Child for conservatives from 2...Bush was the Golden Child for conservatives from 2000 to 2005. It was only after some brave whistleblowers stepped forward to shed some light onto the corruption inherent in his administration that conservatives stopped singing his praises without reservation. To hear that he's not a "true" conservative now is a delicious irony.<BR/><BR/>Conservatives got exactly what they wanted when they elected Bush. They have only themselves to blame when things go horribly wrong.SpaceGhotihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13966275517866561166noreply@blogger.com