tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post117012039706226337..comments2024-03-18T21:52:45.757-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Brin Classics: "The Jefferson Rifle"David Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-90686873624463314672021-03-29T20:43:41.491-07:002021-03-29T20:43:41.491-07:00We cared about the dead children in Waco, but we w...We cared about the dead children in Waco, but we were powerless to stop them from being killed. We cared about the dead children in Sandy Hook, and we were stopped from preventing the next hundred, the next thousand mass shootings from occurring by people too stupid to know they were part of a death cult. We care about the dying biosphere all around us, and we are similarly being thwarted by these same stupid people who want desperately for their god to prove them right.<br /><br />Those people? They are insane. I don’t know how else to describe it. It is insane to kill yourself when there is no need. When no sacrifice is needed. When suffering amounts to having to walk rather than drive. Cook rather than eat out. Not have the firepower on hand to take down an army single handed, just because you want to have it. They are insane, and we should not be listening to them when it comes to determining our, and our children’s, future.<br /><br />From my article: https://ranthonyings.com/2019/08/death-cult/<br /><br />I have another article that I think speaks to your proposition of militia rifles: https://ranthonyings.com/2018/02/the-key-to-ending-mass-shootings/ in which I propose that semi-automatic weapons of any kind simply be reassigned to the same category as fully automatic weapons, making the cost of ownership for those weapons as prohibitively high as machine guns. It is either that or we have to reinstate some kind of military draft that will ensure that everyone is trained with weapons and that everyone is issued a weapon that fits their training. As I say repeatedly on this subject, pick one of those two options because either one could be done quite easily when compared to the more radical suggestions of confiscating firearms or repealing the second amendment.R. Anthony Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02360569752081330836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-4055187601052057662021-03-25T20:23:42.391-07:002021-03-25T20:23:42.391-07:00> If moderate gun owners will accept a
> co...> If moderate gun owners will accept a <br />> constitution-level guarantee, keeping <br />> the least harmful class of weapons <br />> - a militia rifle - unregistered <br />> and forever safe ....<br /><br />Problem will be convincing the self-designated "militia" members to loosen their grasps on more harmful weapons.<br /><br />My favorite hang gliding site is near a popular shooting site (unregulated National Forest land) and I rarely if ever hear bang .... bang .... bang .... (single shot)<br />Instead it's Brrrrrrrrrap Brrrrrrrrrap (big magazine)<br />With the occasional BOOM as someone sets off a homemade munition. Though the county sheriff usually does, on national holidays, park a vehicle in the area and take a few of the bomb-makers away for public safety.<br /><br />My fear is that even the "moderate" gun owners out there nowadays would consider the Jefferso Rifle a wimpy toy, rather than something to be proud of.<br /><br />And there are complications. One of our local problems is gangs of men killing black bears to gut them and sell the gall bladders, apparently a popular item for self-medication in some places. Again, not a candidate for Jefferson Rifle ownership, I'd guess.Hank Robertsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-86931456193437689042018-02-22T08:59:26.041-08:002018-02-22T08:59:26.041-08:00Hey Dave,
The conservatives, I believe, are feeli...Hey Dave,<br /><br />The conservatives, I believe, are feeling it. And know that without some concession, they will lose in the next two elections. This will probably prompt some mediocre gun purchase background check legislation. They will leave weapons of war still available for sale, no doubt. <br /><br />But, it's not really any of these arguments that matter. It's what those in power care to back, or not. This high school march of students who will soon be voters, will, I believe, overwhelm the populace and there will be one factor come this November: If you do not support rational firearm legislation -- you will be voted out.<br /><br />Regarding rational firearm legislation? It's a problem of shot volume. As you point out, bolt action rifles, shotguns, and revolvers have lengthy reloading times. That should be the focus of gun laws. <br /><br />Amend the 2nd to ensure that all civilian weapons can only hold 6 rounds and must have permanently fixed magazines and/or are loaded only through the breach.<br /><br />Always a pleasure to read your cogent thoughts.<br />Anonymolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10762784291708903199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-74947612864122442002018-02-16T17:49:25.750-08:002018-02-16T17:49:25.750-08:00That only works with a functioning justice system....That only works with a functioning justice system. Right now there are serious issues with the USA justice system, where people are not punished equally for comparable crimes. You're more likely to get away with murder if you're a white male, despite video evidence. Selective acceptance of stand-your-ground defenses is only the most obvious example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-32698492343173979292016-10-16T07:52:47.192-07:002016-10-16T07:52:47.192-07:00So to add to what I said just above...in that inst...So to add to what I said just above...in that instance non-violent resistance was successful where violent resistance had clearly failed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-75198432747200278072016-10-16T07:47:27.442-07:002016-10-16T07:47:27.442-07:00Ahhh...haven't insurrections in American citie...Ahhh...haven't insurrections in American cities already been crushed by the National Guard? I've seen footage of tanks rolling into Detroit during the 60's Detroit riots, and battling snipers. As I recall, those riots started when a party to welcome a black serviceman home from Vietnam was busted up. The National Guard obviously had no problem with that.<br />Oh, and as an Australian, might I contradict a previous poster and note that lasting change was brought about by the violent insurrection of the Eureka Rebellion. The insurrection itself was crushed by the military, but the Governor caved in when the population showed their total lack of support for him by acquitting all the rebels that were brought to trial. (The juries gave their reason for acquittal as 'mistaken identity'--an obvious 'stuff you' to the government).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-66321807187081123512016-08-29T01:04:41.071-07:002016-08-29T01:04:41.071-07:00All the nations had their own issues with their pe...All the nations had their own issues with their people and they had issues with their judiciary system. all the people can never be kept happy at the same time. You people can go for the firearms training centers to know about the gun laws in detail but following them strictly is solely upto your will. Illegal buying and selling of anything is actually a great problem for any nation, but when it is associated with guns then it simply becomes really difficult for the government to ignore.<br />Regards:<br /><a href="http://www.bostonfirearms.com" rel="nofollow">MA Gun License</a> to <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12455779831351440576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-45938564221438980832016-06-16T23:35:38.463-07:002016-06-16T23:35:38.463-07:00People in the comments love guns so much even thou...People in the comments love guns so much even though events in US are keeping proving that when you own a thing that is designed to kill, it will kill...Killbasahttp://outdoorfield.net/best-red-dot-sight/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-49043185829703608942015-10-13T14:35:23.676-07:002015-10-13T14:35:23.676-07:00Compromise approaches will simply not work in the ...<br />Compromise approaches will simply not work in the current political landscape. On the right, almost all the incentives align to taking an absolutist position on guns (and lots of other things).<br /><br />- Gun-rights advocates have gotten a lot more extreme. This is due to primarily to demagoguery and propaganda stoking anti-government (and racial) fears.<br />-Due to our stupid electoral system, these extreme gun-rights advocates have vastly more influence than their numbers would justify. This also feeds back into making more 'centrist' Republicans extreme on gun issues since it has become a tribal identifier.<br />- Gun control advocates have NOT gotten more extreme. However, many on the right are absolutely certain that the left has become much more extreme, dogmatic, and powerful.<br />- This same dynamic applies to a lot of other issues, though guns are a very clear case.<br /><br />The BBC has a good short article on the asymmetry of the political debate/landscape:<br />http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34429918<br />Travchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12790548845692414891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-64833104765446311532015-10-03T18:35:59.359-07:002015-10-03T18:35:59.359-07:00This isn't far off what you initially proposed...This isn't far off what you initially proposed. For all those who support and advocate for gun ownership, can we reach a reasonable compromise of the sort that I've been posting elsewhere (and gotten decent support from even those who advocate for gun ownership)? Here's my post: I have never advocated taking away the right to have a gun, but I don't think that precludes reasonable gun laws, like putting people through a licensing process like you do with a car. People without licenses shouldn't be able to get a gun or ammo any where, and people who do have a license will have to pass the same kind of tests that you do with a car for safety. That might not cut out all gun violence but it sure would cut it down considerably, especially if we improved our screening process to at least exclude mentally incompetent, violence-prone, and those on terrorist lists. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me given the amount of deaths and woundings that we are seeing here only in this country. When guns are reduced or controlled, such violence almost always goes down dramatically. Can we get to a reasonable compromise like this? We should probably add laws, if necessary (some are on the books already) about ghost buyers, etc. But couldn't a version of this work? We wouldn't have to register guns, but people would have to have a license to buy, use or have them, or to get ammo. Maybe give people a two-year window to get their license. Maybe have a reasonable age limitation with permit status (under adult supervision like cars) for younger gun users that might vary a bit from state to state. Is there room here to compromise at all? After nearly a thousand mass killings since just Sandy Hook, we need to do something in this country. If only the wacko paranoid fringe is listened to, then we are in deep trouble.Alexhttp://www.contemporaryworks.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-31831262522798429462015-03-31T16:12:48.467-07:002015-03-31T16:12:48.467-07:00What we see from the comments here, and from the n...What we see from the comments here, and from the news and from studies, a person with a firearm tends to think anyone coming to their door is a threat.<br /><br />Good old USA, where knocking on the door is considered an executable offence. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-20955021437512056772015-01-19T17:14:09.171-08:002015-01-19T17:14:09.171-08:00Patriots are not all liberals either.Patriots are not all liberals either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-86497652397178391212015-01-19T17:12:00.553-08:002015-01-19T17:12:00.553-08:00@Michael Z. Williamson
"Oh, wait, it was t...@Michael Z. Williamson <br /><br /> "Oh, wait, it was the LEFT that abandoned Vietnam..."<br /><br />Like hell. I was a "lefty" when I joined in '73. The whole of the sane portion of the country was sick of Vietnam, even then! I came out of the service as a "lefty" too.<br /><br />"Bleeding Hearts" are not all misers mis-characterizing themselves as conservatives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-79503367566987330642015-01-19T12:25:47.821-08:002015-01-19T12:25:47.821-08:00These comments are typical in that they focus on w...These comments are typical in that they focus on what I regard as a largely diversionary topic, whether as an intended tactic or not. <br /><br />In the US we have flexible government under the administrative control of many. That will probably forestall any situation that would precipitate a civil war or government led mass extermination effort, although nothing is guaranteed.<br /><br /> In the 70's, me, my wife and one year old were living in a duplex when a band of well over 20 Hells Angels roared up and parked at the curb. I grabbed our gun and took position where both doors to the place were in good range and visibility while my wife took our baby to another room. We kept silent, and two of the riders went next door. Later I found out my neighbor had misdirected them to my house in an effort to evade them. This was at a busy city intersection of two four laners.<br /><br /> We now live on five acres, wooded and undergrowth rich, in the country, ten miles from a wolf release center. Bear scat is frequently deposited within ten feet of our house and coyotes and deer are far more common visitors than people. When I'm working outside, I'm certain that animals I've been unaware of look at me from time to time within striking distance that would scarcely afford me enough time to raise and fire a rifle, but it takes about 1/4 second to draw and accurately fire my pistol. (I'm a qualified Navy Marksman.) Secluded homes make attractive targets for home invaders and a poor place for wielding rifles in surprise encounters.<br /><br /> The situations when firearm defense is realistically practical are very common in urban and rural areas, and city-wide riots are certainly well known in the US. We don't have to resort to civil war as the justification for defending ourselves in the most effective and often most practical and justifiable manner. That most certainly requires training, but not any accessible list of guns. <br /><br /> If the purpose of control is to keep certain persons from obtaining firearms, (given that they often have them when controls are implemented), those persons are easier to find than their guns. <br /><br /> We have records of felons, but lack records of the mentally incompetent. Make records. Those should be the only records used for determining whether to sell or give away a firearm. To compile a list of owners and their guns is to invite gun theft, which should be self evident to every thinking person. For example, is your SSN permanently so safe from every identity thief that you would bet your life on it? That is what gun registration nuts are demanding gun owners to do. Law enforcement is not devoid of corruption, and a gun location list would be very valuable to the same people you want to keep restricted from guns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-44963445077266617972014-07-07T20:56:58.317-07:002014-07-07T20:56:58.317-07:00'Brilliant', 'Quite Good', 'Wh...'Brilliant', 'Quite Good', 'What?', these are just some of the comments made recently in the press regarding jefferson skilled nursing. The constantly changing fashionable take on <a href="http://www.jeffersoncityhc.com/" rel="nofollow">jefferson skilled nursing</a> demonstrates the depth of the subject. 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With respect, you need to speak to anyon...Mr Brin,<br /><br />With respect, you need to speak to anyone with a modicum of self-defense knowledge. Your "Jefferson Rifle" is appropriate for home defense? Not even remotely, sir. If you believe that, I would not want to live within 1000 yards of your home. A rifle round in the calibers typical of bolt action rifles, even in a proper defense holllowpoint, will over-penetrate modern building materials so severely as to be a threat to at least the next residence in the direction of fire, and possibly several. You would certainly not want this situation in a suburban neighborhood - much less a city block or apartment building. <br />Your focus on rifles isn't even really useful, if you'll forgive me saying so. Rifles of ANY type are so rarely used in crimes, that fists, hammers, and knives outweigh them massively each and every year. I've yet to see a suggestion for registration, training, and testing for those...<br />The real source of crime with firearms in America is gang members in urban areas, using handguns. And the answer to that problem is complex, but not intractable. Step one would be to focus on people and their (criminal and/ or insane) behaviors, and stop blaming scary-looking black rifles. They truly aren't the problem; if you define the problem as reducing criminal use of firearms. Crazy is hard to predict, you can only try to prevent outbursts with better identification and treatment. A nation-wide NICS would be helpful, but not a complete solution. The monsters responsible for the recent atrocities could have as easily driven vehicles at high speed into crowded venues full of innocents, and done as much or more harm. And, as you note, those are licensced and regulated. <br />We need better care for the marginalized; the courage to identify them; ("See Something, Say Something" needs to apply to more than abandoned luggage!) and the will to address the criminal organizations robbing our population centers of their peace and security. The Blog Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17834564007235126072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-71677259982756142462013-08-05T11:41:50.294-07:002013-08-05T11:41:50.294-07:00This is disappointing. I really like your other wo...This is disappointing. I really like your other work, but this article is just wrong.<br /><br />You propose the same "compromise" that's been offered to Americans for the last hundred years or so, since gun control started with a vengeance. Namely, "You can keep that gun if you give us this one. Really. We promise. Until we come for that one 10 years from now."<br /><br />American gun owners have already made too many compromises. The NFA of 1934, the GCA of 1968, the Hughes Amendment of 1986. The host of ridiculous, nonsensical, byzantine state gun control laws (I'm looking at you California, who revises the gun control laws every year) that have no discernible effect on crime rates. These were all "compromises". But, one party giving up something and the other party taking something is not a compromise in any meaning of the word.<br /><br />Even if you're plan were implemented fairly and honestly (doubtful given the nature of politics) it would result in a type of class system where the rich are allowed the right of effective self defense but not the poor. If this were any other right we were talking about (and it IS a natural right, guaranteed to all, not just Americans, for if you aren't allowed to defend your life what do any other rights matter) people everywhere would be outraged. Pay a poll tax to vote on certain issues? Offensive.<br /><br />Semi-automatic, magazine-fed firearms are the most effective means of self-defense. They tend to be lighter (for those with less upper body strength), more adjustable (for different body types), easier to reload, and have a higher round capacity (for multiple attackers). That's why police officers and military members are armed with them, they are the best technology for what they do. They are the current pinnacle of firearms technology. Why should the average citizen be limited to self-defense technology that's about 150 years old? <br /><br />If you've made the horrible decision that you have to shoot someone, then do it properly, quickly, and with the least chance of harm coming to the innocent that you are protecting.Jamesnoreply@blogger.com