tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post110552471388727520..comments2024-03-28T18:18:37.133-07:00Comments on CONTRARY BRIN: Modernism Part 2.David Brinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1105946356067653912005-01-16T23:19:00.000-08:002005-01-16T23:19:00.000-08:00Hi David - I just read your "Collapse" review and ...Hi David - I just read your "Collapse" review and I wanted to say that I agree completely with your final conclusion: it is crucial that scientists and engineers are fully supported in developing innovative solutions to global sustainability issues. That said, I am quite optimistic about the future - I strongly suspect that we'll do a lot better than just reaching some sustainable level. Based on some speculative side work I am doing ( - I do black hole computer models for my day job, which is a lot of fun too), I argue that infinite technological and scientific growth will be possible (it's a statistical conclusion based on all mathematical structures existing - i.e. Tegmark's level 4 multiverse). Indeed this is why what it is to exist is to be an intelligent observer evolving in time: observers form the largest class of information (you can loosely think of observers as the power set on the set of all information). And it's testable (in a manner of sorts) - things either keep on progressing or they don't! We'll see... There's a semi-formal paper on the idea (I'm currently calling it the Observer Class Hypothesis - I was calling it statistical metaphysics before) thats linked to on my blog if you're curious. And thanks for all the thought-provoking ideas!<br /><br />Sincerely, TravisTravis Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03688488356753064225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1105653232636440942005-01-13T13:53:00.000-08:002005-01-13T13:53:00.000-08:00Dang! I may not have the biggest readership, but ...Dang! I may not have the biggest readership, but I sure have the smartest. These are two truly excellent posts.<br /><br />You two should consider joining the Brin-L email discussion group at:<br />http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l<br /><br />I agree that it is soooo weird. The idealism that makes people find fault with today's society is the same trait that (1) helps propel us forward and (2) prevents us from ever noticing how far we've come. That's the good news. The bad is that too much inability to see progress leads to nihilism or else contempt for the masses.<br /><br />As for the Europeans, as an American who lived over there - twice - I am both repelled by their bureaucratic approach and admiring of the incredible accomplishment (in large part fostered by American midwifery: especially in settling the Balkans mess under Clinton) of unifying such a morass of languages/hostilities.<br /><br />We had better watch out. The process of "accession" which they have now mastered won't stop at the Urals and the Bosporus. It could very well become the way that World Government comes creeping into being, as Strasbourg decides to keep admitting members far beyond "Europe."David Brinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14465315130418506525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8587336.post-1105574575416129602005-01-12T16:02:00.000-08:002005-01-12T16:02:00.000-08:00I think antimodernism stems mainly from having no ...I think antimodernism stems mainly from having no sense of perspective- and having no sense of greatfulness for the civilization one lives in. <br /><br />Yes, premodern and early modern (i.e. pre-20th century) civilizations produced much great art, music, architecture, philosophy, literature, and mysticism. What cultivated person can't help but appreciate the Parthenon? Michaelangelo? Beethoven? Aristotle? The Illiad? Jesus? Nagarjuna? When you accumulate all the creations of these civilizations, it's truly impressive.<br /><br />However, these are the collective creations of thirty centuries of written culture and verifiable history.<br /><br />If what we've accomplished in one century is, say, one-twentieth as great, or one-tenth as great- we've made progress- amazing progress.<br /><br />Yes, the composers of the 18th and 19th century were great. I enjoy listening to them. But what of the artists of the 20th century? Are Carl Orff and John Williams to merely be written off? Or Enya or Trent Reznor, for that matter? Look at all the genres that have been CREATED in the 20th century... the emergence of Jazz, Rock, Country, Techno, Hip-Hop, New Age, and many other permutations certainly has something to be said for it.<br /><br />What of visual arts? Yes, the postmodernists and "pop artists" like Andy Warhol aren't exactly the greatest artists around- but they're far from the whole of 20th century visual art, or even the dominant trend. The continental modernists and futurists, while sometimes ethically abhorrent, created fascinating currents of design, while others revived or continued with classical art styles. Graphic designers and artists are at work everywhere today- creating corporate art by day, fashioning the works of their soul by night. My hometown has streets lined with sculptures crafted by artists in numerous styles, while the art galleries are filled with works by artists that, just a few centuries ago, would have been relegated to back-breaking farm labor and unable to express their talent. We also have entirely new genres- film, for instance. Kubrick and Kurosawa, Scorsese and Coppola, Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson... the century that created these individuals certainly must be given credit! And what of computer graphic and 3d art? I've watched as friends have put loving details on models and objects that will never exist outside of the realms of cyberspace, and wondered at what our ancestors would have thought of these spiritual creations. We are awash in visual artistic creativity.<br /><br />But then, what of architecture? Aren't we surrounded by ugly boxes, hastily thrown-up housing blocks and Wal-Marts? Why do our churches look like pole barns, rather than the great cathedrals of the past? Well, while there is certainly a great deal of ugliness, there is also a great deal of beauty. Compare the hovels and tenaments of the past with the ranch houses of suburbia, for a moment. Yeah, thought so. We build mighty skyscrapers that arrogantly, and beautifully pierce the heavens- those are our cathedrals, the cathedrals of capitalism (uh oh, I'm starting to sound like Ayn Rand...) Much of the mass architecture of this century was built the way it was so that it would be easy to bulldoze and rebuild, in the event of demolition by nuclear war. On top of that, the democratization of wealth lead to money being invested in smaller edifices (our splendid homes) rather than mighty churches and castles for an elite. Yet there is still a beauty in what we've created- and it can be shared by most of society, rather than enjoyed only by a tiny elite.<br /><br />But philosophy? Isn't that the bankrupt home of Foucault, Derrida, and their spawn? Yes, but it is also the home of Russell, Whitehead, and the Principia, which reconstructed mathematics to pave the way for the era of computer science. The cosmological speculations of Einstein and Hawking, among numerous others. The practical sciences that got us to the moon, cured diseases, and built our information economy. The practical economics of Keynes, Friedman, Hayek, Galbraith- while these men disagreed in the specifics, they all believed in modernity and progress. Even as we speak, the next generation of political philosophers is digging through the wreckage of Hegel and Marx, trying to reorder the idea of sociological evolution and society under the wise auspices of Jurgen Habermas. And, I must even give the devil their due- while the Neoconservatives are abhorrent in other ways, their love of classical philosophy is to be admired, and is a hopeful contribution to modern liberal education.<br /><br />I won't even get started on literature. There have been more great writers in this century than any other. Their names are legion.<br /><br />But wait, isn't modernity spiritually bereft, and empty? No more or less so than any other time period. How could the century of Sri Aurobindo, Sri Ramana Maharishi, Mother Teresa, Albert Schweitzer, Paul Tillich, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Tenzin Gyatso (his holiness the Dalai Lama), Martin Luther King Jr., Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, and all the other men and women of spirit be bankrupt? And, even forgetting all that, I look at the basic DECENCY of the city I live in- a city with little poverty, a low crime rate, and generally moral people, and compare it to the majority of cities throughout history- I wonder, could we not be less, but in fact, more moral than our ancestors? In the age of civil rights, social safety nets, polite (if somewhat vapid) political discourse, religious freedom and toleration, worker's rights, and 13 years of compulsory education for every person- how can one call our society immoral, compared to any other in history? Go ahead, make my day.<br /><br />We live in amazing times. Incredible times. Appreciate them.<br /><br />-Nicq MacDonaldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com